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[rottiegirl]

grr i started writing stuff, and i accidently exed it out...so ill make it shorter, lol

schaivo did move, but she was dead...she was NEVER gonna recover...you CANNOT if the oxygen supply is cut off from your brain for as long as hers was. The body moves...its nerves...a chicken can run around without its head...you think that is still alive?!

ANYWAYS...before you try and make me sound like some sociopath who is not affected by baby legs being torn off....let me clear something up.

I do not think abortion should be used as a birth control for women who just cant keep their legs closed.

I am talking about girls who have been RAPED. Now, i am assuming, if a girl gets raped...within a few days of the incident, she has GOT to be wondering if she got pregnant...i am talking about abortions done within days (i dont know how soon they can be dont...but as soon as possible)...im also talking about taking the morning after pill to try and prevent the pregnancy in the first place. within days...there are no arms to be torn off...its just a lump, you cannot tell what it is...

oh yaeh, in my other post i accidently deleted, i was just saying that all your statements on adoptions are just 'duh' statements. you really felt the need to share those little tidbits of knowledge?? You are totally missing my point. And now, for the third time....

COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION I ASKED!??

to refresh your memory, it was: Let me ask you this...so you personally do not agree with it, ok, so you would never get one - you dont think anyone should. If you could, would you prevent another girl from having an abortion?

I think you need to cool down. Anyhow, let me answer your question... yes i would prevent a girl from having an abortion, because I think its nothing more than murder. My statements on adoptions are 'duh' statements? for one thing, you keep on saying that babies are in orphaneges, babies have a hard time finding homes, babies can and are adopted out to bad homes. you are pretty much trying to point out all the things that could go wrong with adoption, and in my opinion you seem confused about adoption and you dont know the facts. Also, pregnancy resulting from rape is extremely rare! Its not like its this big problem. And why are you comparing a chicken to a human and a person who was injured to a developing, normal, healthy human being? Just admit that you have no proof or no clue as to if an unborn baby has emotions or he can feel. When a babies brain is working and he has nerves and he is fully developing there is a high possibility that he can feel. even if he couldnt feel anything its still not right to kill a developing baby who is trying to live. Also, durring early stages of development the baby is not just a "lump" you can clearly see its eyes, head, forming arms, and legs. Its a baby!! you say that you think the woman should get an abortion as soon as possible, but what if she did not know she was pregnant until 4 months? do you think its alright for her to get an abortion when she has been raped and over 4 months pregnant?

 

[Sirius]

I think you need to cool down. Anyhow, let me answer your question... yes i would prevent a girl from having an abortion, because I think its nothing more than murder. My statements on adoptions are 'duh' statements? for one thing, you keep on saying that babies are in orphaneges, babies have a hard time finding homes, babies can and are adopted out to bad homes. you are pretty much trying to point out all the things that could go wrong with adoption, and in my opinion you seem confused about adoption and you dont know the facts. Also, pregnancy resulting from rape is extremely rare! Its not like its this big problem. And why are you comparing a chicken to a human and a person who was injured to a developing, normal, healthy human being? Just admit that you have no proof or no clue as to if an unborn baby has emotions or he can feel. When a babies brain is working and he has nerves and he is fully developing there is a high possibility that he can feel. even if he couldnt feel anything its still not right to kill a developing baby who is trying to live. Also, durring early stages of development the baby is not just a "lump" you can clearly see its eyes, head, forming arms, and legs. Its a baby!! you say that you think the woman should get an abortion as soon as possible, but what if she did not know she was pregnant until 4 months? do you think its alright for her to get an abortion when she has been raped?

I'm with Dreeza. Let's say a 15 year old girl gets raped and gets pregnant. A 15 year old girl is not financially stable enough, mature enough, or has the resources to care for another human being. The unborn baby would be better off not being born, because once it is born, it's life would be miserable. Abortion is is an option that should not be available to everyone, but it is worth consideration. It's better that way then having the mother-to-be go through labour then killing the baby. That's not ethical.

 

[rottiegirl]

Some pics of first trimester babies. They dont look like blobs to me; you can clearly see their body parts. Warning: graphic (abortion)... http://www.edsanders.com/abortion/ I am not posting this for "shock" value, I am trying to show what a baby looks like during the ealy stages of pregnancy. Here is a picture that is not graphic at all... http://www.thesho.com/EaglezeYe/abortion.htm

 

[rottiegirl]

I'm with Dreeza. Let's say a 15 year old girl gets raped and gets pregnant. A 15 year old girl is not financially stable enough, mature enough, or has the resources to care for another human being. The unborn baby would be better off not being born, because once it is born, it's life would be miserable. Abortion is is an option that should not be available to everyone, but it is worth consideration. It's better that way then having the mother-to-be go through labour then killing the baby. That's not ethical.

I would have to go with adoption. The government would help her out while she is pregnant. How would its life be miserable when it gets adopted? i know many people who have been adopted and who are living the best life possible. they thank god every day that they were born. why shouldnt adoption be available to everyone? Here is part of an article worth reading...

The New York Times quotes The Journal of Youth and Adolescence finding's "that teenage mothers, given proper care, have the least complications in childbirth. The younger the mother, the better the birth. [If there are more problems,] society makes it so."

In my book Sex is Not a Four-letter Word, I list twelve studies from medical journals that list such complications from abortion as pelvic inflammatory disease, problems with next pregnancy, damage to cervix, and severe blood loss to name a few.

I also note that a University of Minnesota study, tracking the psychological effects five to ten years after an abortion, revealed that 81 percent of women having an abortion became preoccupied with the aborted child, 75 percent had flashbacks of the actual operation, 54 percent had nightmares, 33 percent reported visions of aborted child visiting them and 25 percent experienced hallucinations related to the abortion.

Contrary to the pro-choice/pro-abortion rhetoric, abortions are not always "simple and safe" operations."

Abortion should be legal because of rape and incest."

Only a fraction of 1 percent of rape and incest victims become pregnant. That means that for every abortion for rape or incest, there are 25,000 for convenience.

And, we must consider what is best for the rape or incest victim. It's the vicious attack and violation that causes emotional damage--not the pregnancy itself. Will additional physical and mental health threats noted earlier result by subjecting her to an abortion?

 

[showpug]

I think it's up to humanity as a whole to protect innocent life and for that reason I am 100% against abortion. If I were raped, I would never even consider abortion, to me it's just not an option - ever. So, it's not the woman's fault that she was raped, but it's not the baby's either. With that comes responsibilty to do the right thing and in my opinion, that is adoption.

Now days, people are so selfish. They have abortions because a baby would "get in the way of their life, their plans." Yet, they still have sex - I don't care if you think you are preventing pregnancy or not. I know many women who have gotten pregnant while succesfully using birth control pills for many years. It happens. So tell me again why the baby should pay the price? Just remember that a baby's heart beats for the first time just a few weeks after you have sex.

I don't expect anyone to change their views, but I just can't understand murder being an option. To me, it's a sick act.

And for those of you who think a baby is better off dead than in an orphanage let's just be thankful someone didn't have that mentality when it came to your life...

 

[Sirius]

I would have to go with adoption. The government would help her out while she is pregnant. How would its life be miserable when it gets adopted? i know many people who have been adopted and who are living the best life possible. they thank god every day that they were born. why shouldnt adoption be available to everyone? Here is part of an article worth reading...

There isn't a certainty that they will get adopted. Isn't it better that they be in heaven, with God?

 

[rottiegirl]

I think it's up to humanity as a whole to protect innocent life and for that reason I am 100% against abortion. If I were raped, I would never even consider abortion, to me it's just not an option - ever. So, it's not the woman's fault that she was raped, but it's not the baby's either. With that comes responsibilty to do the right thing and in my opinion, that is adoption.

Now days, people are so selfish. They have abortions because a baby would "get in the way of their life, their plans." Yet, they still have sex - I don't care if you think you are preventing pregnancy or not. I know many women who have gotten pregnant while succesfully using birth control pills for many years. It happens. So tell me again why the baby should pay the price? Just remember that a baby's heart beats for the first time just a few weeks after you have sex.

I don't expect anyone to change their views, but I just can't understand murder being an option. To me, it's a sick act.

And for those of you who think a baby is better off dead than in an orphanage let's just be thankful someone didn't have that mentality when it came to your life...

you couldnt have said it better! I agree 100% with you!

 

[rottiegirl]

There isn't a certainty that they will get adopted. Isn't it better that they be in heaven, with God?

Newborns do get adopted, all it takes is time, and its better than being dead. I dont want to get into religion, but who says god exists? dont get me wrong, I do think a god exists, but if there was a god why would he try to bring a baby into the world when the baby is going to be sent back before he even gets a chance at life?

 

[Sirius]

I think it's up to humanity as a whole to protect innocent life and for that reason I am 100% against abortion. If I were raped, I would never even consider abortion, to me it's just not an option - ever. So, it's not the woman's fault that she was raped, but it's not the baby's either. With that comes responsibilty to do the right thing and in my opinion, that is adoption.

Now days, people are so selfish. They have abortions because a baby would "get in the way of their life, their plans." Yet, they still have sex - I don't care if you think you are preventing pregnancy or not. I know many women who have gotten pregnant while succesfully using birth control pills for many years. It happens. So tell me again why the baby should pay the price? Just remember that a baby's heart beats for the first time just a few weeks after you have sex.

I don't expect anyone to change their views, but I just can't understand murder being an option. To me, it's a sick act.

And for those of you who think a baby is better off dead than in an orphanage let's just be thankful someone didn't have that mentality when it came to your life...

showpug, I'm not even going to touch this one. So.. you are saying that those of us who belive in abortion... we don't deserve to live? You would rather we die then then the unborn baby. That's nice. Real nice.

 

[Sirius]

Newborns do get adopted, all it takes is time, and its better than being dead. I dont want to get into religion, but who says god exists? dont get me wrong, I do think a god exists, but if there was a god why would he try to bring a baby into the world when the baby is going to be sent back before he even gets a chance at life?

I believe that God cannot mess with free will. It is what makes us human. He just sets us on the right path.

 

[rottiegirl]

I believe that God cannot mess with free will. It is what makes us human. He just sets us on the right path.

well thats just your opinion. nobody has proof as to what god does or if there even is free will.

howpug, I'm not even going to touch this one. So.. you are saying that those of us who belive in abortion... we don't deserve to live? You would rather we die then then the unborn baby. That's nice. Real nice.

i am sure she didnt mean it that way.

 

[Sirius]

i am sure she didnt mean it that way.

Well, then what does she mean?

 

[rottiegirl]

This is interesting, so a fetus does feel pain, proved by scientific evidence.

Pro abortionists, as well as the doctors performing abortions, often depict the process as a routine operation to remove ‘fetal tissue’. But in truth, as proved by scientific evidence, this ‘tissue’ feels pain. At the moment of conception, a new life is formed. “At twenty-one days the heart of this life begins to beat” (Human Life Alliance of Minnesota Education Fund Inc. 3). Tissue alone, this is not! An unborn fetus is as much a human being as an adult. Well then, are we only tissues also? In order to escape the charge of killing a human life, pro-abortionists try to devalue the pre-born child to something less than a human being. Using manipulation of language, they characterize an unborn human life erroneously.

According to Dr. Nathanson, owner and doctor of the first and largest abortion clinic, ultrasound technology now allows doctors to witness the excruciating pain, which he calls the “silent scream,” experienced by the unborn as they are put to death (Human Life International Conference, Nathanson’s Testimony). If what pro abortionists say is true, that what exists in a mother’s womb is a mere tissue, how then is it possible to witness the extreme pain it feels as it is put to death? When aborted, a tissue would not experience such agony, nor would it encounter pain as it is annihilated. Technology proves to us that what grows in a mother’s womb is a new human life, yet many people continue to argue against the validity of the truth.

 

[Amstaffer]

I am for the Death Penalty.

Why? It stops repeat offenders and some people are so vile the need to die. I think it should be expanded to Serial Rapists and Child molesters.

 

[rottiegirl]

And for those of you who think a baby is better off dead than in an orphanage let's just be thankful someone didn't have that mentality when it came to your life...
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read what she said above. she never said anyone deseves to die. She said that you should be thankful.

 

[showpug]

showpug, I'm not even going to touch this one. So.. you are saying that those of us who belive in abortion... we don't deserve to live? You would rather we die then then the unborn baby. That's nice. Real nice.

Wow, where did you come up with that idea? I don't believe that is even close to what I typed. If I must re-explain, I mean...it's a blessing that your parents didn't abort you. A BLESSING that you had a mother that cared enough to let you grow in her womb and live. A BLESSING that you weren't murdered before your first breath. Now, I don't think that sounds at all like I don't think you have a right to live...funny how statements get twisted.

 

[Sirius]

I can't remember who said it, but someone said that it isn't the baby's fault that the woman got raped. So, the woman who got raped should be burdened with this child? It's different for men. They can't get pregnant. So they don't give a rat's ass. They don't think!

Now, I am against abortion when a lady was stupid enough to go have unprotected sex or have sex in the 1st place. That is her fault, and in this case, no the baby doesn't deserve to die. None of them deserve to die, but abortions are part of our modern world and some people will accept the idea, while others will not.

 

[showpug]

I can't remember who said it, but someone said that it isn't the baby's fault that the woman got raped. So, the woman who got raped should be burdened with this child? It's different for men. They can't get pregnant. So they don't give a rat's ass. They don't think!

Now, I am against abortion when a lady was stupid enough to go have unprotected sex or have sex in the 1st place. That is her fault, and in this case, no the baby doesn't deserve to die. None of them deserve to die, but abortions are part of our modern world and some people will accept the idea, while others will not.

Sirius, that was me, that said that and I meant it. So, in your opinion, IS IT THE BABY'S FAULT? No, so why should they die? In rape that causes a pregnancy there are two innocent lives involved, the victim and the baby. I realize the guy doesn't carry the burden, but to me, that doesn't make abortion right. As women, we have a biological responsibilty and that is just reality. Give the baby up for adoption.

 

[panzer426]

I would have to say no...my vote is always against the death penalty. if there was a way to garauntee that the person was guilty (not just found guilty in a trial but actually 100% garauntee) then I would have to rethink my stance, not saying I would deffinetly be for it, but would have to think about it.
even just one convict in 100 million being found innocent 10 years after being convicted, or 100 years after being killed, is too many. no innocent person should be killed.
something must be done, the prisons are overcrowding and we cant just release them, any of them, but killing them isnt the answer. at the very least they should HAVE to do some work that doesnt just waste time or earn them 1 penny an hour...they should have to work in prison doing something that pays 100% of the cost for keeping them there. instead of children in sweat shops making shoes and clothes it could be prisoners in prison.
and no, it is not the babies fault. the only reason a woman should be permitted to have an abortion is if her life is in danger and the doctor says it must be done to save her life. there is no other excuse. teenager gets pregnant? adoption. woman gets pregnant and doesnt want a baby? adoption. woman gets raped? adoption. murder is murder.

 

[rottiegirl]

I can't remember who said it, but someone said that it isn't the baby's fault that the woman got raped. So, the woman who got raped should be burdened with this child? It's different for men. They can't get pregnant. So they don't give a rat's ass. They don't think!

Now, I am against abortion when a lady was stupid enough to go have unprotected sex or have sex in the 1st place. That is her fault, and in this case, no the baby doesn't deserve to die. None of them deserve to die, but abortions are part of our modern world and some people will accept the idea, while others will not.

so you are saying that the baby should pay the price? why would the baby be a burden? the baby is innocent and hes apart of you! why would you try to cure violence with violence? abortion are not safe, so why would you kill YOUR baby and at the same time put your health and life at risk when you can act like an adult and have the baby and give it a home? that does not make sence to me! Everyone involved with abortion, the mothers, fathers, doctors and society as a whole, experience its deadly effects. Every individual becomes a victim of the crime. Most women suffer from serious physiological traumatism and emotional grief after an abortion. “It is estimated yearly that 16,000 of these women are so severely scarred by post abortion trauma that they become unable to function normally” (Burkman 23). In addition to this trauma, “five percent of women having abortions after the first three months experience genital tract infections” (Burkman 23). Pelvic inflammatory disease results from such infections.

Not only do women contract such diseases, conservative estimates indicate that “16,000 women each year in the United States bleed enough, as a result of having an abortion, to require transfusions” (Burkman 24). Statistics show that “sixteen of these women will die and 1,600 will become seriously ill” (Burman 24). Some of these women will never again be able to have children after an abortion. “Twenty-five percent of the women who terminate their first pregnancy have remained permanently childless” (Burkman 24). Is a right to choose or solve a personal situation worth such torment? One would think this an irresponsible roll of the dice.