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[BigDog2191]

Great post, Dreeza. That's what I meant when I mentioned morals in a previous post.

 

[BigDog2191]

I totally agree with everything you just said!



No they where using genetics as a reason not to have a baby from the product of a rape. Saying the baby would inherit bad traits from the rapist and so on.

That was simply one of the reasons, you and Rottie escalated it and I defended it. But I didn't go into as much detail as Dreeza with the whole "unjust for a girl" thing.

 

[Babyblue5290]

That was simply one of the reasons, you and Rottie escalated it and I defended it. But I didn't go into as much detail as Dreeza with the whole "unjust for a girl" thing.

we escalated it? So you where defending and we where "escalating" it? .............ok.........sure..........fine..........Anyways, isnt' that what I told Dreeza? That it was a reason someone (notice I didn't name names? I didn't want to call you out or make it sound like I was attacking you) used genetics and we got into a discussion about that.

 

[Dreeza]

I totally agree with everything you just said!



No they where using genetics as a reason not to have a baby from the product of a rape. Saying the baby would inherit bad traits from the rapist and so on.

ahh gotcha. I think if a woman who is raped wants the kid...she should..kinda weird, but yeah, lol

ill put my two cents in about genetics...

it is a huge combination of nature vs nurture. Taking a NORMAL, HEALTHY person, i very much believe that an 'anger' genes can be totally repressed with a good upbringing.

Now...if ya got brain issues...some decreased activity in your frontal lobes...that is genetics...as far as i am aware, there is NOTHING nurture can help with that...and umm, that is SCARY stuff. called antisocial disorder or sociopaths...those people can kill 100s and 100s of people (and in disgusting ways...just pure torture/rape) and have NO remorse. They arent bothered by it. Now, not every sociopath will develop into a murderer, but i think once they do...thats it...they wont stop. They are usually males, VERY smart, good looking, charming, and very very manipulative (in that charming sort of way...) Once caught, if they are put into a program where they are supposed to 'reform' they wont...they NEVER will. It is NOT POSSIBLE for them to feel remorse...they just do NOT understand why what they did was wrong. What they DO understand though...is how to fake reform. They watch others, learn how they are supposed to react/act...and often times are let free, cause they have been 'reformed'...then they go kill more people.

so i uhh, got a little offtrack there...i just think that stuff is really interesting. Especially since when i learned about them, i was just like, "ok, just kill them..." but i was thinking about it moire...and while they SHOULD be put to death, in a way, they dont deserve it. They just do not have that mental capacity to regret things, or realize that torturing another human is wrong...its so weird...like, can you imagine looking at a mutilated body and NOT react?? they dont...its like the same as looking as a neutral object for them...

 

[BigDog2191]

we escalated it? So you where defending and we where "escalating" it? .............ok.........sure..........fine..........Anyways, isnt' that what I told Dreeza? That it was a reason someone (notice I didn't name names? I didn't want to call you out or make it sound like I was attacking you) used genetics and we got into a discussion about that.

Lol, are you kidding me? You both jumped on that and "attacked" it, if it makes you happy, we ALL escalated it by arguing or "discussing". Wasn't I defending it though? lol, come on... anyway, whether you named names isn't an issue, you said "they" and it's clear that I was arguing on the part that genetics had a ROLE. No need to beat around the bush...I was just clearing that up.

Genetics was just one reason that I believe that abortion is something that should be done at times.

 

[Babyblue5290]

Lol, are you kidding me? You both jumped on that and "attacked" it, if it makes you happy, we ALL escalated it by arguing or "discussing". Wasn't I defending it though? lol, come on... anyway, whether you named names isn't an issue, you said "they" and it's clear that I was arguing on the part that genetics had a ROLE. No need to beat around the bush...I was just clearing that up.

Genetics was just one reason that I believe that abortion is something that should be done at times.

I didn't ATTACK you as you said. I didn't call names or say you where wrong, I asked for proof. I asked for some source supporting your claims. If you stated things as your opinino hell thats fine, but you stated it like it was a fact. How am I not suppose to defend my statments?

Before didn't you say

In all rape cases, I believe the baby should be aborted.

Or is that a misquote?

 

[Dreeza]

now now...fight those anger genes and take a deep breath everyone.

 

[Babyblue5290]

Ya know what? We are WAY off subject. I think it's time to quit or move the debate somewhere else if you'd like. We need to get back to the death penalty. Sorry pugpuppylova for my part of moving this thread off course.

 

[BigDog2191]

I didn't ATTACK you as you said. I didn't call names or say you where wrong, I asked for proof. I asked for some source supporting your claims. If you stated things as your opinino hell thats fine, but you stated it like it was a fact. How am I not suppose to defend my statments?

Before didn't you say Or is that a misquote?

It's a misquote.

Lol, yeah, I said that. And it's a BELIEF--that wasn't a factual statement. See the "I believe". I believe it. I'm sorry you don't feel the same way-- we're all entitled to our own beliefs.

And I already told you, my sources come from previous read/heard things and common sense. I don't always need someone to be telling something to me for it to be factual-- logic and EXPERIENCE plays a role in a lot of my thoughts or what I believe is fact. I don't normally record everything I read and such, and I really don't have time to search for sources considering I'm studying for a mid-term exam.

 

[BigDog2191]

now now...fight those anger genes and take a deep breath everyone.

LOL!

I'm gonna go study now.

 

[Babyblue5290]

It's a misquote.

Lol, yeah, I said that. And it's a BELIEF--that wasn't a factual statement. See the "I believe". I believe it. I'm sorry you don't feel the same way-- we're all entitled to our own beliefs.

And I already told you, my sources come from previous read/heard things and common sense. I don't always need someone to be telling something to me for it to be factual-- logic and EXPERIENCE plays a role in a lot of my thoughts or what I believe is fact. I don't normally record everything I read and such, and I really don't have time to search for sources considering I'm studying for a mid-term exam.

I'm not fighting with you anymore......go study.

 

[Dreeza]

LOL!

I'm gonna go study now.

ahh good luck!! i have finals now too

i need to go to bed.

Im just curious as to what rottie has to say about my post

 

[rottiegirl]

ok, im kinda butting in on your guys' debate, but oh well!

ok, lets put genetics aside for a second here.

Now i will use myself as an example...I get raped...i would have an abortion...or take the morning after pill (not sure if you consider that an abortion...)..whatever it takes NOT to have the baby.

I am frickin NINETEEN years old. I am a sophomore in college, i have dreams and ambitions. A baby would ruin that, plain and simple. Not that i dont want to have children later on, but no now....that is why i use BCPs...cause i dont wanna get pregnant!! I dont feel like carrying a baby around for 9 months either, and then having to adopt it out...once again, kinda ruins my plans...

I do NOT think it is fair to force an INNOCENT girl to have that responsobility of carrying around a child. So you say it can just get adopted...

ok, so what if that girl lives a very active social life...smokes, drinks...umm HELLO...ever heard of fetal alcohol syndrome??? Carrying a baby is a LOT of responsibility. its not like a chicken that can just sit on an egg...

You whole lifestyle must change, you have to eat properly, and really work hard to make sure your baby is healthy.

Dont you think it is enough that some poor girl got RAPED?? Now you want her to have to think about it, every single day for NINE months...complete alter her lifestyle just cause some sick f*ck wanted to get off???

this is not about genetics...this is about the girl's life too. As far as i know, during pregnancy, if only the mom or baby can live...they usually kill the baby...what do you think of that?? Why do you think that is? Course that is a different matter, and an extremely sad one...but umm, if it were me...i would want to live...and i am sure my husband (well, when i have one)would rather have me live than the baby...


yah, and i only read the last two pages that were about genetics...so i was assuming some people were using genetics as reasoning to have abortions...i dont really agree with that... but i am VERY pro-choice

Ummm its really not hard to quit drinking for 9 months especially if you are not old enough to drink anyhow. Its not right to kill your baby just because you want to smoke and drink. If i got raped and pregnant i would have the baby and adopt him out. I just turned 19, so I am very young, but 9 months is not that long. I would go out of my way for a baby any day. I wouldnt want the baby to pay for what another person did. I would do anything for an innocent baby even if it means to carry him for 9 months. I would not think of the baby as the result of rape. I would feel very guilty for taking a babies life when he could have a life of his own. Its really not that hard to eat healthy. Why would you want to create even more violence after you have been raped. of coarse the girl is innocent, but so is the baby. Nobody has the right to choose if an innocent human being gets to live or not. In a life or death situation they might kill the baby, but when you get pregnant from rape it is NOT a life and death situation. you are choosing to kill a healthy baby.

 

[BigDog2191]

I'm not fighting with you anymore......go study.

Lol,

 

[rottiegirl]

Lol, are you kidding me? You both jumped on that and "attacked" it, if it makes you happy, we ALL escalated it by arguing or "discussing". Wasn't I defending it though? lol, come on... anyway, whether you named names isn't an issue, you said "they" and it's clear that I was arguing on the part that genetics had a ROLE. No need to beat around the bush...I was just clearing that up.

Genetics was just one reason that I believe that abortion is something that should be done at times.

Do you understand what a debate is? in a debate you state your opinions, if you think that that is "attacking" then you probably shouldnt be involved in a debate.

 

[Babyblue5290]

Do you understand what a debate is? in a debate you state your opinions, if you think that that is "attacking" then you probably shouldnt be involved in a debate.

Good advice.

 

[Dreeza]

Ummm its really not hard to quit drinking for 9 months expecially if you are not old enough to drink anyhow. Its not right to kill your baby just because you want to smoke and drink. If i got raped and pregnant i would have the baby and adopt him out. I just turned 19, so I am very young, but 9 months is not that long. I would go out of my way for a baby any day. I wouldnt want the baby to pay for what another person did. I would do anything for an innocent baby even if it means to carry him for 9 months. I would not think of the baby as the result of rape. I would feel very guilty for taking a babies life when he could have a life of his own. Its really not that hard to eat healthy. Why would you want to create even more violence after you have been raped. of coarse the girl is innocent, but so is the baby. Nobody has the right to choose if an innocent human being gets to live or not. In a life or death situation they might kill the baby, but when you get pregnant from rape it is NOT a life and death situation. you are choosing to kill a healthy baby.

lol, i wouldnt have an issue not drinking...i said someone with an active social life. not EVERYONE who is raped has the same mentality as you rottie...its called having an open mind.

While YOU might do everything you can to have the baby...doesnt mean everyone else will.

If abortion is banned...i would NOT be surprised if girls who were raped would try to kill their baby in other ways..such as drinking or smoking. Do you think it is ok to take the morning after pill? I think that should be given to EVERYONE who is raped (well, if they want it) And who is to say it isnt a life or death situation...what if someone was denied an abortion, and later died due to complications...so now not only did that rapist torture some poor girl, he helped kill her to...all cause some people decide that tiny microscopic cells are life. Getting an EARLY abortion is NOT killing a healthy baby...it is killing cells that have the chance to become one.

I respect your opinion, and respect the fact that you could put your life on hold for some kid you will never see again...i COULD NOT. I wanna graduate from college in 4 years, go to PT school, then become a certified animal PT...thats already draining 10 years outta my life...delaying my chance to have a baby of my own, with my future husband, and being able to raise that child in a loving home.

You talk about killing a "healthy baby" what about killing (metaphorically ) the girl's life?? You think some 13 year old should have to drop outta school to have a kid?? Can you IMAGINE the psychological consequences???

Look, what it comes down to is this: I enjoy debating, helps you learn new things, new perspectives. I respect your opinions, i just do NOT agree with them...and dont care if you do not decide to change them...as long as it does NOT affect other people.

Let me ask you this...so you personally do not agree with it, ok, so you would never get one - you dont think anyone should. If you could, would you prevent another girl from having an abortion?

 

[BigDog2191]

Do you understand what a debate is? in a debate you state your opinions, if you think that that is "attacking" then you probably shouldnt be involved in a debate.

Yes. And I did state my opinions. Do you understand why I put "attack" in quotations? It was for lack of a better word. But thanks for constantly questioning my intelligence.

 

[blue]

Rape violates ones rights in a way much deeper than merderring someone, why rapists get such light sentances for such a dispicable crime is beyond me. What the victims of rape endure, sometimes decapes following the attack can be horrendous in the worst cases.

The rape and/or molestation of a child, this is an unforgivable crime. It alters the life of the victim in ways I cannot fathom.

Why arent these crimes subject to the death penalty? They affect anothers basic Rights in away that can make living unbearable at times.

What boggles my mind is my own brother is very pro-choice and incredably apposed to the death penalty. How can you be for the killing of an innocent, even if you justify it as a clump of inconvenient cells, yet be against the forfieture of Rights from someone with no regaurd for lives of others?

 

[rottiegirl]

If abortion is banned...i would NOT be surprised if girls who were raped would try to kill their baby in other ways..such as drinking or smoking. Do you think it is ok to take the morning after pill? I think that should be given to EVERYONE who is raped (well, if they want it) And who is to say it isnt a life or death situation...what if someone was denied an abortion, and later died due to complications...so now not only did that rapist torture some poor girl, he helped kill her to...all cause some people decide that tiny microscopic cells are life. Getting an EARLY abortion is NOT killing a healthy baby...it is killing cells that have the chance to become one.

I do believe in the morning after pill only because its not a baby yet. the morning after pill prevents the sperm from coming in contact with the egg. Considering that people dont usually find out that they are pregnant until they miss their period and the abortion takes place after the woman finds out shes pregnant. the cells are a functioning baby by then. The babies heart beats by 18 days and its brain functions by 40 days, so it is a baby. What if it is a life and death situation? well that is a risk with every pregnancy, not just a pregnancy resulting from rape. every pregnancy can have complications. If you know that it IS a life in death situation then the baby will be aborted, but it is very rare that a woman dies from pregnancy.