Should moderators be able to delete their own threads IF...
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Again, I want to clarify that this issue with the current oops litter is definitely not the same as the little stories we're sharing now.
Blatant lies, so many I can't even keep track of are different than embarrassment over ear fringe for example.
But a few times it's been brought up about fear of posting certain things, so I added on to that as well.
And Laur, Beaus' ear fringe fault is a LOT less severe than Lucy's faults (she looks little like a chi, enough that sometimes I question if she's a mix, but she's probably just what she is- a puppy mill chi that was bred with no standard in mind.) I worry people will say she's ugly for a chi, or flame her for her being badly bred. :/
But I understand, especially when someone phrases a question like that in expectation that something terrible happened to his ears.
ETA: I agree that fear of judment will motivate people to lie. But the change in Foxy's story confuses me and doesn't seem to follow that role. Why would we judge her for getting a reputably bred dog? That's exactly the opposite of what the "witch hunts" on Chaz are about. Not saying the real witch hunts are okay, but over and over Chazzers tell people to go to a reputable breeder or rescue. It just doesn't make sense that you would say you got a pup from puppyfind or a friend when it's a breeding quality champion dog. It would seem the motivation be to say the exact opposite.
Blatant lies, so many I can't even keep track of are different than embarrassment over ear fringe for example.
But a few times it's been brought up about fear of posting certain things, so I added on to that as well.
And Laur, Beaus' ear fringe fault is a LOT less severe than Lucy's faults (she looks little like a chi, enough that sometimes I question if she's a mix, but she's probably just what she is- a puppy mill chi that was bred with no standard in mind.) I worry people will say she's ugly for a chi, or flame her for her being badly bred. :/
But I understand, especially when someone phrases a question like that in expectation that something terrible happened to his ears.
ETA: I agree that fear of judment will motivate people to lie. But the change in Foxy's story confuses me and doesn't seem to follow that role. Why would we judge her for getting a reputably bred dog? That's exactly the opposite of what the "witch hunts" on Chaz are about. Not saying the real witch hunts are okay, but over and over Chazzers tell people to go to a reputable breeder or rescue. It just doesn't make sense that you would say you got a pup from puppyfind or a friend when it's a breeding quality champion dog. It would seem the motivation be to say the exact opposite.
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Oh and since we are all doing confessionals...
I once fed Tucker Nutro. There, I said it
Seriously though, this one time Spy (who is intact) escaped from my backyard. He was gone about 20 minutes until I realized and called him in. Luckily, I live in an area where stray dogs virtually don't exist and people are generally very responsible. It happened because a worker in the backyard forgot to close our back gate, but I really should have double checked. I felt terrible about it and made sure to always double check after that.
So yeah, I messed up there. Oh well, atleast it's in the open now
I once fed Tucker Nutro. There, I said it
Seriously though, this one time Spy (who is intact) escaped from my backyard. He was gone about 20 minutes until I realized and called him in. Luckily, I live in an area where stray dogs virtually don't exist and people are generally very responsible. It happened because a worker in the backyard forgot to close our back gate, but I really should have double checked. I felt terrible about it and made sure to always double check after that.
So yeah, I messed up there. Oh well, atleast it's in the open now
Good for Filarotten. s he knew where to bow out and when to tell the truth.
I just don't know how you can ask that people NOT be upset over this and just ignore it.
Mod "powers" were abused. Lies... many of them allegedly... were told by a long standing member that people trusted. and when posting about the puppies instead of being honest it was all "let's squee over the pups or I will just delete this thread". If you can't be honest... don't post it... like filarotten did when she was ready she came back, was honest and got the respect for that.
you can't just expect people to roll over and say "oh it's ok that you've lied to us multiple times... we'll just grin like idiots and pretend we don't know better"
Accidents happen... but that thread started out SAYING it was an intended BREEDING just earlier than expected. NOT really an accident.
I think deleting the thread and everything else added mucho fuel to the fire and just made everyone more suspicious and insulted.
you can't really ask that people just ignore it.
is this site sometimes too intense. YES... especially to new members we know nothing about. but to be an established member and to start out with a lie (admittedly it was a lie) and then just build on the lies from there and then expect people to be happy about it is crazy.
I just don't know how you can ask that people NOT be upset over this and just ignore it.
Mod "powers" were abused. Lies... many of them allegedly... were told by a long standing member that people trusted. and when posting about the puppies instead of being honest it was all "let's squee over the pups or I will just delete this thread". If you can't be honest... don't post it... like filarotten did
when she was ready she came back, was honest and got the respect for that.you can't just expect people to roll over and say "oh it's ok that you've lied to us multiple times... we'll just grin like idiots and pretend we don't know better"
Accidents happen... but that thread started out SAYING it was an intended BREEDING just earlier than expected. NOT really an accident.
I think deleting the thread and everything else added mucho fuel to the fire and just made everyone more suspicious and insulted.
you can't really ask that people just ignore it.
is this site sometimes too intense. YES... especially to new members we know nothing about. but to be an established member and to start out with a lie (admittedly it was a lie) and then just build on the lies from there and then expect people to be happy about it is crazy.
That is a GOOD bit different, don't you think?
If joined 5 forums and posted 5 different conflicting stories on each one, then no, I can't see things from their perspective. Unless their name is Cleve who is 85 and really believes he is Foxywench. He lives alone and breeds their dogs and make up stories all day long.
Then I can begin to understand it.
I plan on having children and don't want an aggressive dog around them. Madison was unhappy in a multiple dog home, and is extremely happy in a no kid/no other dog home. So I did what's best for him and us.
Lots of people on here have rehomed dogs and you've skipped passing judgement.
I have no tolerance for compulsive lying and story telling.
If joined 5 forums and posted 5 different conflicting stories on each one, then no, I can't see things from their perspective. Unless their name is Cleve who is 85 and really believes he is Foxywench. He lives alone and breeds their dogs and make up stories all day long.
Then I can begin to understand it.
I plan on having children and don't want an aggressive dog around them. Madison was unhappy in a multiple dog home, and is extremely happy in a no kid/no other dog home. So I did what's best for him and us.
Lots of people on here have rehomed dogs and you've skipped passing judgement.
I have no tolerance for compulsive lying and story telling.
Hey...
Belle is FAT. she is definitely overweight. We know it. we are working on it (although seem to be failing miserably) but I still post her pictures with the admittance that she is FAT.
I know that is a BIG no no especially here. but I am upfront about it. honest. and if I didn't feel I could be honest I woudlnt' share pictures. but I certainly wouldn't post pictures with "SQUEEEEE please be excited" and then tell stories about her having a medical issue or something. If I coudln't admit it I wouldn't post pictures.
Belle is FAT. she is definitely overweight. We know it. we are working on it (although seem to be failing miserably) but I still post her pictures with the admittance that she is FAT.
I know that is a BIG no no especially here. but I am upfront about it. honest. and if I didn't feel I could be honest I woudlnt' share pictures. but I certainly wouldn't post pictures with "SQUEEEEE please be excited" and then tell stories about her having a medical issue or something. If I coudln't admit it I wouldn't post pictures.
Here's my summary. Since the thread was deleted, that meant people had to be left assuming things. That's never good, because people tend to assume the worst. Quite honestly, there was nothing in that thread that was too far out of line. I don't know if Foxy moved-deleted it or if someone else moved/deleted it. Regardless, it's back now for all to see. It's a pity Foxy isn't here to give us the facts, but I DO hope that whenever she gets back she will at least attempt to set the story straight.
While we're admitting our wrongdoings, I have fed Gavroche Nutro, Purina ONE, Science Diet, and even (blech) Pedigree. I learned. Now he gets Taste of the Wild (and we're both much happier). But shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I do use Science Diet training treats with him because at work I can buy a case of 24 packages for $24.69, whereas if I were to buy them full price it would be about $120 for a case :yikes: They're shitty quality, but they're treats
While we're admitting our wrongdoings, I have fed Gavroche Nutro, Purina ONE, Science Diet, and even (blech) Pedigree. I learned. Now he gets Taste of the Wild (and we're both much happier
). But shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I do use Science Diet training treats with him because at work I can buy a case of 24 packages for $24.69, whereas if I were to buy them full price it would be about $120 for a case :yikes: They're shitty quality, but they're treats - Joined
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I think the point some people are trying to make is not that everyone should just ignore this. Absolutely, they shouldn't. Some priveleges certainly need to be revoked (atleast IMO). However, what people are getting at is that it is ok to be mad/upset, but don't let that cloud out everything else.
Like I said, no one is asking anyone to be happy or ignore it.
I think it's important to keep in mind though that we are dealing with a random person on an internet website... It's not the end of the world Let's move on folks.
Like I said, no one is asking anyone to be happy or ignore it.
I think it's important to keep in mind though that we are dealing with a random person on an internet website... It's not the end of the world
Let's move on folks.
There's a HUGE difference between being sorry and being sorry because you got caught.
I going to agree with detective Jessie on this one.
I think everyone has feed some horrible food before. When I first got a dog, I
didn't know there was a real difference between dog foods. I started with
pedigree. :yikes:
I also bet a lot of people have re-homed a dog before.
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I going to agree with detective Jessie on this one.
I once fed Tucker Nutro. There, I said it
didn't know there was a real difference between dog foods. I started with
pedigree. :yikes:
I also bet a lot of people have re-homed a dog before.
opcorn:Honestly I just feel like it all is just a bunch of crap. FW has faults, the mods in general, and the forum as a whole does. This place has long ago lost the feeling of a place where I felt welcome. I spend hours uploading pictures. And then my threads are ignored. I can only assume it is because my dogs airn't from reputable breeders. They airn't border collies (god forbid) or Dobermans. Just boring Labs and a Cocker Spaniel. Thats not how I feel about them. But the general feel I get from this forum.
I feel like if you don't own a rare breed, a bully breed, or a herding breed well your just boring. But like I said thats just how I feel.
I feel like some mods definately abuse their power. I think the whole thread deleting issue was totally wrong.
I don't know why I come back here. I guess because.........I have for so long its second nature. But and I don't say this for attention. I truly beleive with every fiber of my being that I am highly disliked........But here I am. On a forum I don't like near as much as I did years ago.
I get it, things change with time. But its just sad to me.
Of course im sure people will saying im overreacting or wrong or whatever. But its how I feel.
This place is no longer a safe place. I used to be able to come here and unload and feel supported. It was my journal with commentary lol. And now I rarely post anything about my dogs or my life. Because the judgement I know would be harsh. I don't post pictures that often anymore because it was a HUGE waste of time.
Not to mention the constant talking behind each others backs. And I love the people who claim there is not a clique problem here. If you think that you are clearly blind. It adds so much more drama than the forum needs.
This place used to make me smile. This place used to be special.
Someday I think I will cut these ties. I just don't know when that day will come.
Sorry this turned into a off topic rant. But I really needed to vent lol.
I feel like if you don't own a rare breed, a bully breed, or a herding breed well your just boring. But like I said thats just how I feel.
I feel like some mods definately abuse their power. I think the whole thread deleting issue was totally wrong.
I don't know why I come back here. I guess because.........I have for so long its second nature. But and I don't say this for attention. I truly beleive with every fiber of my being that I am highly disliked........But here I am. On a forum I don't like near as much as I did years ago.
I get it, things change with time. But its just sad to me.
Of course im sure people will saying im overreacting or wrong or whatever. But its how I feel.
This place is no longer a safe place. I used to be able to come here and unload and feel supported. It was my journal with commentary lol. And now I rarely post anything about my dogs or my life. Because the judgement I know would be harsh. I don't post pictures that often anymore because it was a HUGE waste of time.
Not to mention the constant talking behind each others backs. And I love the people who claim there is not a clique problem here. If you think that you are clearly blind. It adds so much more drama than the forum needs.
This place used to make me smile. This place used to be special.
Someday I think I will cut these ties. I just don't know when that day will come.
Sorry this turned into a off topic rant. But I really needed to vent lol.
I posted one innocent topic on show bred Malinois and it is like I beat a puppy to death. Seriously. I can't stand when people shove their opinions down your throats. Just jumped for being curious. Took me awhile to come back because I was so put off by it. You can't even have a decent show thread without someone jumping in saying how better working bred dogs are.
I still love Chaz because this site helped me so much in the past, but I do sometimes feel the unfriendliness coming out of some threads.
I still love Chaz because this site helped me so much in the past, but I do sometimes feel the unfriendliness coming out of some threads.
I fed my dog Pedigree her entire life (14 years) and rehomed a cat. I've been on one side of an issue, then changed my mind. *shrug* Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people have incidents in their past but just stay mum on them. Most people don't make up elaborate stories about their pets simultaneously on different message boards, though. What is the truth? I don't know, I'm so confused at this point.
The whole "mod abusing privileges" thing has been covered very well (I've seen it absolutely POLLUTE other message boards, BTW . . . once people lose trust in the mods they start thinking the worst about every mod decision), so I'll bring up something else instead.
There's an entrenched "us vs. them" mentality on Chaz. "Us" being "people who have been on the board a while" and "them" being "newbies." It's almost like, as George Orwell said, "all pigs are equal here, but some are more equal than others." Frankly, that bothers me. Is it okay to grill the hell out of someone about their breeding practices or not? The answer should either be "yes" or "no", not "yes if they're new, but no if they've been here more than two years, have posted cute pictures of their dogs, and have a recognizable screenname." It's almost like we purposely drive potential new members away while putting on blinders when it comes to established members, so we can maintain this illusion that we're all Best Friends Forever.
This is just a message board, not a cult. I don't have to like every single Chazzer just BECAUSE they are a Chazzer. Don't get me wrong, I do like most people here. But I don't feel obligated to. Look at Reggin. How many of us felt uncomfortable about her, but kept quiet because speaking up would have looked "mean"? I know I did, and I regret that.
Well, this current situation makes me feel uncomfortable too. Read through that thread and pretend that a newbie made it--what would your response be to this unlikely and confusing tangle of contradictions?
The whole "mod abusing privileges" thing has been covered very well (I've seen it absolutely POLLUTE other message boards, BTW . . . once people lose trust in the mods they start thinking the worst about every mod decision), so I'll bring up something else instead.
There's an entrenched "us vs. them" mentality on Chaz. "Us" being "people who have been on the board a while" and "them" being "newbies." It's almost like, as George Orwell said, "all pigs are equal here, but some are more equal than others." Frankly, that bothers me. Is it okay to grill the hell out of someone about their breeding practices or not? The answer should either be "yes" or "no", not "yes if they're new, but no if they've been here more than two years, have posted cute pictures of their dogs, and have a recognizable screenname." It's almost like we purposely drive potential new members away while putting on blinders when it comes to established members, so we can maintain this illusion that we're all Best Friends Forever.
This is just a message board, not a cult. I don't have to like every single Chazzer just BECAUSE they are a Chazzer. Don't get me wrong, I do like most people here.
But I don't feel obligated to. Look at Reggin. How many of us felt uncomfortable about her, but kept quiet because speaking up would have looked "mean"? I know I did, and I regret that.Well, this current situation makes me feel uncomfortable too. Read through that thread and pretend that a newbie made it--what would your response be to this unlikely and confusing tangle of contradictions?
I actually do my best to make comments in the threads without comments. Some threads have 50 responses of AWW CUTE, they don't need mine too. So I'll go to the little guy.
I think the US vs THEM mentality comes from the fact a lot of us help each other out in person. We'll rally together to bust a dog out of a sticky situation for one of our own. We send Christmas gifts to each other. I was not always apart of the group. One of my first posts here was when I still had my Sheltie and someone told me to train her better because she was afraid of the camera flash. An old dog that couldn't hear, see, and was on her last leg. I had a different account then and never posted with it after. I didn't come back for months.
I do my best to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be supportive. I honestly would have no issue if she came back without any explanation and remained a mod. Why? Because it's an online community. My panties aren't in a knot over it. I don't feel betrayed.
I think the US vs THEM mentality comes from the fact a lot of us help each other out in person. We'll rally together to bust a dog out of a sticky situation for one of our own. We send Christmas gifts to each other. I was not always apart of the group. One of my first posts here was when I still had my Sheltie and someone told me to train her better because she was afraid of the camera flash. An old dog that couldn't hear, see, and was on her last leg. I had a different account then and never posted with it after. I didn't come back for months.
I do my best to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be supportive. I honestly would have no issue if she came back without any explanation and remained a mod. Why? Because it's an online community. My panties aren't in a knot over it. I don't feel betrayed.
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