Shock Collars

[Plear]

Oh my gosh. That is absolutely horrible, I'm not going to lie. I seriously think I remember seeing something like this on Animal Cops or something, from when I used to watch TV. I'm the same age as you, if I remember you saying 14 correctly, and my Labrador Retriever has Seperation Anxiety (sounds like yours does too... meaning - well, read below), and if my dad simply /mentioned/ a shock collar I would scream at him and say that we would NOT keep her.

Plus, if your dog has Seperation Anxiety (a problem I have had experience with for the past 3 years of my life, so I know my fair share about it), TAPING ITS MOUTH SHUT will make it worse. And leaving it out in the cold will make it worse, too.

I just hope you have your dog's best interests in mind and relize that your dog is in a horrible situation, and needs to be re-homed. I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but it's the truth. Your dog shouldn't have to go through that.

 

[Doberluv]

I'm outraged!!!! This dog needs to be in another home. No animal deserves abuse like this, not ever, not at all. How dare your father treat an innocent animal like that? I'm sickened beyond words. Re-home this dog if you care about animals. If you keep this dog under these circumstances and your father continues to abuse him, you are no better than he because you're allowing the abuse to continue. Taping a dog's mouth closed and beating it is inhumae and sickening. Of course your dog scratches at the walls and barks. He's MISERABLE, LONELY, AND AFRAID. What a way to have to live. I don't care what he does at other times. This is flat out immoral. And it's CRIMINAL. He is breaking the law and should be reported. If you can't do that, then at least re-home this dog. If you love him, you will.

 

[blue]

The cold part, even the sub zero temps we've seen here in the Valley, are truely secondary to the dog being beaten and mouth taped shut.

The abuse will only make more problems and could escalate the barking. I dont think Talkeetna has AC so it would be a Trooper issue, and unless Mutt Luv is willing to testify against her parrents the outlook for the dog dosent look good. The parrents have to change or rehome the dog, those are the options. IMHO shock collars lead to more problems.

 

[Mutt Luv]

Ok, you people are taking it the WRONG way, he doesnt beat the dog, ONLY when he is barking at 7AM and wont shut up, and it happens rarely, also the tape is no big deal, he got it off in a matter of seconds.

My dad just doesnt want to hear a dog barking at 7am, I mean who would? So he didnt really BEAT the dog he more yelled at him to SHUT UP, thats really all. He doesnt want to do that, thats why I have to get a shock collar

He is in GREAT home, he is not abused, I mean this is a one time thing that happened, not an eveyday affair, not even monthy, he is loved by eveyone, its just his barking, he has no other problems really, its only the barking when its morning, thats ALL.


I feel this very sickining what you are saying about he needs a better home and that my dad is a horrable person, cuz if you read this you will understand thos things arent true. I will no way rehome my dog and he is NOT abused, NEVER, he is never hit, or beat, its more a yell type thing.

 

[Zoom]

So every day at 7am your dad goes outside and hits the dog to make him try and shut up? That's still beating the dog. GREAT homes don't hit or tape mouths shut, even if the dog did get the tape off in a matter of seconds. The fact still remains that your dad took the time and effort (because I can't imagine that dog held still for it) to wrap a length of tape around a dogs muzzle. What is he doing to do if the dog bites him the next time he tries that? Kick him until he can't walk anymore? You know that show Animal Cops? Well, a lot of those cases were only "it was one time and one time only that I wrapped that rubber band around the dogs legs" or "It was only one time I set it on fire." Am I accusing you of lighting your dog on fire? Not hardly. But involving tape around a dog that isn't being used to label it's shipping crate is unnacceptable.

All we know is what you tell us. And you said your dad beat the crap out of your dog and taped it's mouth shut. We know nothing beyond those stated facts. And those stated facts make your father out to be a horrible person. If you don't want your dad to be a horrible person in our eyes, think a little more about what you are typing before posting.

I stand by my statement that this dog would better off in a different home.

 

[blue]

My dad was so mad yesterday he went out and totally beat up the dog and taped him mouth shut. And the big problem is I dont hear him barking, I'm SOUND alseep, lol So I cant even stop him and when I do hear him I'm gettin up anyway.

You made the situation sound much worse than it is or you are now backpedalling to cover for your parrents.

Ok, you people are taking it the WRONG way, he doesnt beat the dog, ONLY when he is barking at 7AM and wont shut up, and it happens rarely, also the tape is no big deal, he got it off in a matter of seconds.

My dad just doesnt want to hear a dog barking at 7am, I mean who would? So he didnt really BEAT the dog he more yelled at him to SHUT UP, thats really all. He doesnt want to do that, thats why I have to get a shock collar

He is in GREAT home, he is not abused, I mean this is a one time thing that happened, not an eveyday affair, not even monthy, he is loved by eveyone, its just his barking, he has no other problems really, its only the barking when its morning, thats ALL.


I feel this very sickining what you are saying about he needs a better home and that my dad is a horrable person, cuz if you read this you will understand thos things arent true. I will no way rehome my dog and he is NOT abused, NEVER, he is never hit, or beat, its more a yell type thing.

We are taking it wrong because the way you presented the situation.

The taping wasnt bad because the dog got it off in a few seconds? How did your dog feel having his jaw taped shut that he freaked to get it off? Ive seen dogs with messed up temperments from being yelled at, never beaten. Yell and BD will cower, same as any dog being beaten.

I get up at 6:30 during the week, and sometimes on the weekends if one of the dogs NEEDS out. If Im sick and one of the dogs if snuffing or barking that they need out I get up and let them out, I dont yell at them or run and grab the tape.

Less than a year ago I got up at 5:30 to deal with the dog and get ready for work.

Granted none of my neighbors have dog teams but at least one has 24/7 outside dogs, then again my dogs sleep inside.

 

[RD]

Mutt Luv, get out of denial. He isn't in a great home.

A great home won't beat on their dogs and tape their mouths shut. I don't care if it's off in a matter of seconds. It's cruel.

A great home would realize that dogs are social, active creatures and that yours is attention starved, freezing and understimulated in that kennel.

A great home would have respect for the dog as a living creature. Dogs, like humans, will often voice displeasure and discomfort. Your dog is not barking to be a nuisance, he's barking because he's miserable. All you are doing by putting a shock collar on him is adding to his misery and silencing what little voice he has.

I'm disgusted.

I'm sorry to be rude. I have thought this over and I can't offer any constructive advice. You did a good thing by asking for an alternative to the shock collar, but that's just not enough for this poor guy.

This dog is screwed as long as he is in your home, and while it isn't your fault, it is your responsibility to do right by him. Stop defending and covering up the abuse. Obviously you are incapable of protecting him so it's time for you to do the right thing and find him a safe home.

 

[Lizmo]

I tried to stay out of this at first, but it's really getting to me.

I 110% agree with what Zoom, Doberluv and RD said.

You are saying 2 totally different things here. 1st "your dad totally beat up your dog" and 2nd "Your dad didn't beat up the dog"

Which is it?

I am really upset this is happening, I feel terrible for you dog. Trust me, I have see stuff like this first hand, it's not pretty, and the dog has no idea why it is happning. Your dog does not know he is doing wrong, he just gets beat up for barking!?

If you really love your dog, you will rehome him.

 

[Herschel]

Mutt Luv, get out of denial. He isn't in a great home.

A great home won't beat on their dogs and tape their mouths shut. I don't care if it's off in a matter of seconds. It's cruel.

A great home would realize that dogs are social, active creatures and that yours is attention starved, freezing and understimulated in that kennel.

A great home would have respect for the dog as a living creature. Dogs, like humans, will often voice displeasure and discomfort. Your dog is not barking to be a nuisance, he's barking because he's miserable. All you are doing by putting a shock collar on him is adding to his misery and silencing what little voice he has.

I'm disgusted.

I'm sorry to be rude. I have thought this over and I can't offer any constructive advice. You did a good thing by asking for an alternative to the shock collar, but that's just not enough for this poor guy.

This dog is screwed as long as he is in your home, and while it isn't your fault, it is your responsibility to do right by him. Stop defending and covering up the abuse. Obviously you are incapable of protecting him so it's time for you to do the right thing and find him a safe home.

I agree 100%.

MuttLuv, how would you feel if this were a child?

"He beat the kid up and then taped his mouth shut, but it was only a one time thing. He really does love him. The kid was just being annoying so he had to put a stop to it. I mean, who wants to deal with an annoying child?"

 

[tessa_s212]

Whoa guys, take it easy.

I know Mutt Luv to a certain extent across the internet, and I know the amount of care she puts into her dog. Her dog is not attention deprived or locked in a kennel all day. She does whatever she can to get him out, bring it inside the house, train him, play with him, and give him all the exercise he needs. Rosco has got one heck of a great owner.

However, Rosco is being mistreated by her father. What we've got here is an IGNORANT father, not exactly an intentionally abusive one. While yes, it is cruel to yell at an animal and tape its mouth shut(I'm just as angry about this treatment as the rest), you have to look at the situation with everything involved. From what I know about her father, he just doesn't know anything about dogs or really like them all that much. He is not educated and thinks if he yells and punishes the dog, it will shut up. How many of us have come across people that still hit and spank their dogs? Alpha roll or scruff shake? Should they all be thrown in jail? No! They should be educated!

Throwing the dog out here is not the solution. Education is. Education and prevention.

Reesa, can you maybe make a deal with your dog if you can get a crate in your room for him to sleep inside. Tell him that at night he will not be allowed in the rest of your house, only your room, and you will keep up with the cleaning to make sure there isn't going to be doggy smell and hair everywhere. I know he is usually only always in the kennel at night, but I think getting him into your room at night will definitely stop the barking. And even mention that this means he doesn't have to buy anything such as a shock collar! He can save his money. (Unless you don't have a wire crate.)

 

[RD]

Abuse is abuse, whether or not it's done out of ignorance. It makes no difference to the recipient.

 

[terrier terror]

However, Rosco is being mistreated by her father. What we've got here is an IGNORANT father, not exactly an intentionally abusive one. While yes, it is cruel to yell at an animal and tape its mouth shut(I'm just as angry about this treatment as the rest), you have to look at the situation with everything involved. From what I know about her father, he just doesn't know anything about dogs or really like them all that much. He is not educated and thinks if he yells and punishes the dog, it will shut up. How many of us have come across people that still hit and spank their dogs? Alpha roll or scruff shake? Should they all be thrown in jail? No! They should be educated!

I can understand yelling at the dog to shut up. If I'm busy and one of mine start their nonstop barking because *omgasquirrelisinthefrontyardmommm!*, I tell them to be quiet in a not-so-friendly tone but I wouldn't go over the edge and get violent. Which is what her dad did. There's no good excuse for that kind of behavior. Saying that he tapes his dog's mouth because he's ignorant and miseducated doesn't fly with me.

Poor dog.

 

[pitbulliest]

That's a very sad situation for the dog to be in. If I lived there, I would call animal control JUST for the fact that the dog is being left outside in the cold...what kind of dog is this? He must be freezing in the middle of the night - NO WONDER HE'S BARKING!

If your parents loved your dog, they wouldn't put him through abuse..yes, taping his mouth shut is DEFINATELY abusive....and I don't know whether or not he hit the dog, but if he did, then that's abuse...and should not be tolerated..whether they are your parents is no excuse..whether the dog was barking in the middle of the night is no excuse.

As dog owners, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure the dog doesn't bark - but you need to be responsible about it...taping the dog's mouth is not a solution to the problem..its laziness and disgusting behavior on the part of your father..his actions make me want to go throw up..people like that don't deserve to be pet owners!

You need to rehome the dog...because one of these days, your father will end up hurting the dog..if your mother thinks that dogs belong outside, not indoors, then she has some problems too..

Doesn't seem like your parents consider this animal a part of the family..maybe you should find someone that does..you are too young to make any influencial decisions...its sad but true...

Do whats best for the dog...

 

[Herschel]

Reesa, can you maybe make a deal with your dog if you can get a crate in your room for him to sleep inside. Tell him that at night he will not be allowed in the rest of your house, only your room, and you will keep up with the cleaning to make sure there isn't going to be doggy smell and hair everywhere. I know he is usually only always in the kennel at night, but I think getting him into your room at night will definitely stop the barking. And even mention that this means he doesn't have to buy anything such as a shock collar! He can save his money. (Unless you don't have a wire crate.)

Great idea!

 

[ToscasMom]

Dogs bark. It's what they do. One day, paying attention to your dog's bark might save your life, or save you from a robbery or a host of other things. Dogs bark. It's what they do.

If the dog barks all night, the dog is miserable where the dog is. Maybe he's very cold. Or very lonely. I suggest other arrangements for the night for the dog or rehoming the dog. Seriously. I know you don't want to do that, I can see that by your post, but the shock collar is for YOU not your dog. It's the way you can keep your dog. That's not very kind to your dog. It's really not a nice thing to do to your dog and it could result in other issues in the end that will be far more serious. What you really need to do is think more creatively and come up with an alternative that is not cruel to your dog.

 

[Whisper]

Dogs bark. It's what they do. One day, paying attention to your dog's bark might save your life, or save you from a robbery or a host of other things. Dogs bark. It's what they do.

If the dog barks all night, the dog is miserable where the dog is. Maybe he's very cold. Or very lonely. I suggest other arrangements for the night for the dog or rehoming the dog. Seriously. I know you don't want to do that, I can see that by your post, but the shock collar is for YOU not your dog. It's the way you can keep your dog. That's not very kind to your dog. It's really not a nice thing to do to your dog and it could result in other issues in the end that will be far more serious. What you really need to do is think more creatively and come up with an alternative that is not cruel to your dog.

I completely agree.
And that alternative may be to rehome. I know from your posts you absolutely don't want to of course, but it may be the most humane option and the most fair to the poor dog.

 

[Doberluv]

Dogs bark. It's what they do. One day, paying attention to your dog's bark might save your life, or save you from a robbery or a host of other things. Dogs bark. It's what they do.

If the dog barks all night, the dog is miserable where the dog is. Maybe he's very cold. Or very lonely. I suggest other arrangements for the night for the dog or rehoming the dog. Seriously. I know you don't want to do that, I can see that by your post, but the shock collar is for YOU not your dog. It's the way you can keep your dog. That's not very kind to your dog. It's really not a nice thing to do to your dog and it could result in other issues in the end that will be far more serious. What you really need to do is think more creatively and come up with an alternative that is not cruel to your dog.

Excellent post! Bingo.

 

[polarit]

Mutt Luv:

here are a few things you can try:

1 Teach an alternate behavior.
forget the other traing and concentrate on this one problem take him to where he barks and when he barks back away, when he stops barking slowly approach, if he barks back away, when he stops start approaching

2 never, never ever reward barking, and teach him to do somthing else to get your attention like putting a paw on your foot.

3 gradually teach a veerryy long stay (like all nite)

4 stop feeding the dog anything except food he must dig out from under a concrete slab or some other heavy object during the night. (this will keep him busy for most of the night.)

5 take your sleeping bag outside and keep him company during the night (see how your dad reacts)

6ask the librarian to get you a book called "natural dog training" by Kevin Behan and get your dad to explain it to you (it is a little hard to understand) hopfully he might learn somthing, your dad that is.

7 a bark collar will not permanantly harm the dog if used only during the night

8 hook the dog to a weight during the day so he is too tired to bark at night, u will have to increase the weight every two or three days so he dont become immune to it

9 sound proof his kennel

10 run a string or rope from your bed to his kennel door and set your alarm so that you wake up after about an hour and pull the rope that unlatches the door of his kennel this will give him something to anticipate. then gradually wake up and pull the rope later and later.
btw I don't think you should get rid of the dog or the dad (they both need a good trainer) ;-)

 

[blue]

Mutt Luv:

2 never, never ever reward barking, and teach him to do somthing else to get your attention like putting a paw on your foot.

I was under the impression part of teaching quiet was to teach the dog to bark on command.

 

[RD]

Not to mention that the dog can't put his paw on her foot if he's locked outside in a kennel.