SC- no crates?

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"Ok, yep, you're right, we need a law to tackle hoarding and puppy milling, here you go. We've written it so that we should be able to prosecute. I hope you don't mind, PETA, that we've made sure that ordinary pet owners aren't caught in the net. You don't have a problem with them, do you?" That's what I'm after.
And that, all, is what separates the attorneys from the paper squirrels :)
 

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Oh geez :rolleyes:

What about the dogs that REFUSE to eat or drink in their crate? Anytime I have tried to give Orson a treat (bone) or food in his crate, he 'buries' it UNDER the pad, blankie, or towel to 'save' for when he is NOT in the crate.

Ack, this is just too broad...........if they want to try and regulate common sense then they MUST make the stipulations more blatantly clear because people who DO lack common sense still won't be able to discern what to do. *sigh*
 

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Oh geez :rolleyes:

What about the dogs that REFUSE to eat or drink in their crate? Anytime I have tried to give Orson a treat (bone) or food in his crate, he 'buries' it UNDER the pad, blankie, or towel to 'save' for when he is NOT in the crate.

Ack, this is just too broad...........if they want to try and regulate common sense then they MUST make the stipulations more blatantly clear because people who DO lack common sense still won't be able to discern what to do. *sigh*
Well, technically, they'd have access to "sustenance" even if they didn't take advantage of it. But yes, that clause really needs to be changed . . . more for the dogs that you CAN'T leave food or water with.
 

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Well, I am glad I have never had a dog that needed to be crated. Mine wander around outside and in at Grannys house when I am at work. ; )
Gotta love Grandparents. Even if she does spoil them so much they are getting fat!
 

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This is still in draft form, though one person has looked over it so far. I'll fiddle with it a bit more and show it to a few others before I send it. I'm posting it for constructive comments and if anyone wants to steal chunks of it for their own letters to the Congressman.

Dear Congressman Knotts:

I am writing to you as a concerned pet owner and an attorney regarding SB 833. Although I support your effort to battle neglect, abuse and cruelty, I am concerned that the statute, as written, might be applied overzealously or arbitrarily. I respectfully propose that you consider adding to the text of the bill to prevent its misapplication to responsible pet owners.

Crates are a common tool among pet owners to confine the animal for its own safety, and the safety of its environment in the absence of its owner. Crates are also necessary for the safe transportation of animals from one location to another. The majority of professional dog trainers recommend the use of crates for housetraining. An unreasonable restriction on the use of crates would result in many pet owners being forced to surrender their animals, because they would be unable to control and confine them during their absence.

Not only could an unreasonable restriction interfere with the ability of pet owners to safely confine their pets in their absence, such as during the work day, but it could interfere with the ability of pet owners to attend sporting events with their pet, to take them on family vacations, or even take them to the park. Further, unreasonable restrictions could interfere with evacuation plans, when animals must be confined to crates to promote their transportation to safety and to make them welcome at emergency shelters and motels.

I respectfully suggest that the text of SB 833 be modified to clarify Section (B)(1)(a) to specify “unreasonable period of time that the animal's health or safety is endangered†as a period of no more than eighteen continuous hours. Although this is a lengthy period of time, it is long enough to encompass most foreseeable situations that might delay an owner from returning to their pet, or that would require the animal be confined for the purpose of travel.

I further suggest that the term “sustenance†be clarified as “more twelve continuous hours without water or more than eighteen continuous hours without food, barring veterinary advice to the contrary.†Animals are often kept on strict feeding schedules that preclude their constant access to food while confined. Though access to water may seen benign, some animals upset their water dishes, creating an unsanitary condition, or consume enough water to make the control of their bodily functions while confined difficult.

I believe that these modifications will prevent the bill from being misapplied, to the determent of both animals and their owners, while still serving its purpose of battling cruelty, neglect and abuse.

Thank you for your consideration,

 

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Careful, Lilavati, or we might just draft you to draft legislation ;)
**corgi proposes a grass roots AW organization to proactively initiate legislation that will ensure the well-being of animals, while at the same time diminishing the opportunities that the ARists have to propose their ideas for legislation.
 

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**corgi proposes a grass roots AW organization to proactively initiate legislation that will ensure the well-being of animals, while at the same time diminishing the opportunities that the ARists have to propose their ideas for legislation.
I second that motion!
 
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What's the saying? If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit? :D

Seriously, it's time SOMEONE started drafting legislation that is coherent, self limiting and common sense.
 

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I was always fond of:

"If the law is against you, argue the facts;
If the facts are against you, argue the law;
If the law and the facts are against you, pound your fist and yell really, really loud."
 

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