Question (Morals)

[jess2416]

When I say you will not mock my God to me...by you assuming that I am wrong and you are right, that's not mockery, that is ignorance (not the way it is connoted today, the real meaning of the word) but by outright denying Him, by slandering His name by making it seem as if He is impotent, and cannot be real because of XYZ, and won't listen to the explination of why that is wrong, or just discount the bible and me as old fashioned...I feel mocked.

The Bilble also clearly states --> Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Main Entry: ig·no·rance
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&n(t)s
Function: noun
: the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness

So you are saying that we lack knowledge and education ?? just because someone doesnt agree with you...

 

[Buddy'sParents]

ever hear of Sodom, Gomorrah . . . the bible is pretty up front about homosexuality being a sin...that said so is gossip and you don't see many old ladies giving up their "vice", and gluttony is a big one but how many southern preachers do you see with waists the size of whales?

I think God intended for it to be one man and one women. period. Not one man and one beast, not one man and one man, not one man and three women. You'll note that in the bible there ARE men who had more then one wife but when God is talking about marriage He uses the singular for each (honor your wife, not honor your wives, which would translate differently)

Sin is everywhere, rampant. I do it, you do it...it's human nature, and one day we'll all be accountable, and just "being good enough" imo isn't going to cut it. I don't know what every word in the Bible says. I don't know all of the history surrounding the corruption of the church and of man needing to domaneer over the women so they made up new rules. I know what is in my heart.

When I say you will not mock my God to me...by you assuming that I am wrong and you are right, that's not mockery, that is ignorance (not the way it is connoted today, the real meaning of the word) but by outright denying Him, by slandering His name by making it seem as if He is impotent, and cannot be real because of XYZ, and won't listen to the explination of why that is wrong, or just discount the bible and me as old fashioned...I feel mocked.

You'd say I'm narrow minded. Since when does it make you so broad minded to doubt everything anyone might have to say about God and His plan for the world? Not even just Christianity but Islam, Judeaism, (both which would acknowledge the old testament) and other religions that still trust in an absolute moral bound message. What makes you so right and millions of people so wrong? Of course zealots are wrong, and not what God intended. I don't think killing in God"s name is ever right. I don't think hatred is ever right since Jesus came in LOVE saying "let the little children come to me" and went to those most hated in society to help them. It is PEOPLE who ruin other people NOT God.

I WAS NOT going to even come back and bother discussing this stuff, because most of you will ignore me anyway, or think that I am being holier then thou when I am just trying to get my point across and you can't hear my voice so you don't really know how I'm intoning things. . . Hear me, I TRY TO LOVE EVERYONE ...may not like some people as much as others but I am called to love, not hate. I don't hate gay people, so don't go there. My uncle is gay and his partner has been with him for longer then I have been alive. Do I like that, no, but he's my uncle so I love him. He's a child of God so I love him. This craziness about marriage and gays...I think it's stupid for this reason, and you have all mentioned it before: God never defines how to get married. So I'd say if two men want to get married, heck, let them have that piece of paper. God will sort it out if it's wrong in the end. People will do what they want to do. That is human nature in its very rawest form.

Great post! opcorn:

 

[MyIrishWolfie]

I dont have a problem with homosexuals getting married.

They are people just like us and deserve the right to be happy and loved.

Shame on the person who thinks they don't deserve love and happyness... who are you to deny a person's love for one another

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Shame on the person who thinks they don't deserve love and happyness... who are you to deny a person's love for one another

Hubby and I (before we were married) had a roommate. Been our friend for years and he is gay. During the last few months of our living together he got extremely provacative and it became very tough to live with him.

He was born and raised Catholic (Catholic schooling, the whole nine yards). He knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong but he still did it anyways.

I don't agree with homosexual relationships, I think they are wrong, but I still loved him nonetheless! Of course we wanted him to be happy, healthy-to know and experience what true love was. But, it was incredibly hard to be around 24/7 and as a Christian I struggled with it.

 

[Renee750il]

Alright Dizzy! - a topic I'd love to get in on.

Any church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple. If it stands in the face of that belief system, that system should never have to do something that goes agaisnt it's beliefs.

Government, on the other hand has the job of making sure all citizens have equal rights - including marriage - and thus (because government is not based on religion - ie, separation between church and state) Gay marriages should be performed at that level - without any prejudice towards them.

If christians define marriage as one man and one woman, that's their right. However, christians DON'T own the definition of marriage (nor does any other religion).

Such a humane, rational and compassionate way of looking at it, Andrew . . .

Personally, I resent the fact that Christians think they are entitled to define marriage for the rest of the world. Marriage, as a concept, existed long before Christianity - or Judaism.

 

[Whisper]

Such a humane, rational and compassionate way of looking at it, Andrew . . .

Personally, I resent the fact that Christians think they are entitled to define marriage for the rest of the world. Marriage, as a concept, existed long before Christianity - or Judaism.

I agree extremely strongly about this.

 

[AndrewF]

Hubby and I (before we were married) had a roommate. Been our friend for years and he is gay. During the last few months of our living together he got extremely provacative and it became very tough to live with him.

He was born and raised Catholic (Catholic schooling, the whole nine yards). He knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong but he still did it anyways.

I don't agree with homosexual relationships, I think they are wrong, but I still loved him nonetheless! Of course we wanted him to be happy, healthy-to know and experience what true love was. But, it was incredibly hard to be around 24/7 and as a Christian I struggled with it.

I could only imagine. People who do get confrontational about their homo-sexuality do nothing to bring about acceptance or tolerance IMHO. It's a shame it affected your friendship.

I don't envy your friend having to try to reconcile his faith with his sexuality. Being Catholic and gay must have been quite a huge internal conflict for him.

All that being said, the moral authority of the Catholic church - or any other religious institution extends only as far as those who subscribe to that particular faith/denomination......in this life anyways

 

[Buddy'sParents]

I could only imagine. People who do get confrontational about their homo-sexuality do nothing to bring about acceptance or tolerance IMHO. It's a shame it affected your friendship.

I don't envy your friend having to try to reconcile his faith with his sexuality. Being Catholic and gay must have been quite a huge internal conflict for him.

All that being said, the moral authority of the Catholic church - or any other religious institution extends only as far as those who subscribe to that particular faith/denomination......in this life anyways

I've always been "okay" with it. I accepted him for who he was. But it was when it was a different man every few nights that it got way out of control for me. Which is what I meant by provocative. It was our home too and these strange men were there and sometimes my hubby was gone.. that made me very uneasy. I had no idea who these people were and neither did he really.

He struggled with it and I'm sure he still does, unfortunately. It seemed he was never able to make his heart and mind agree.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

ever hear of Sodom, Gomorrah . . . the bible is pretty up front about homosexuality being a sin...that said so is gossip and you don't see many old ladies giving up their "vice", and gluttony is a big one but how many southern preachers do you see with waists the size of whales?

I think God intended for it to be one man and one women. period. Not one man and one beast, not one man and one man, not one man and three women. You'll note that in the bible there ARE men who had more then one wife but when God is talking about marriage He uses the singular for each (honor your wife, not honor your wives, which would translate differently)

Sin is everywhere, rampant. I do it, you do it...it's human nature, and one day we'll all be accountable, and just "being good enough" imo isn't going to cut it. I don't know what every word in the Bible says. I don't know all of the history surrounding the corruption of the church and of man needing to domaneer over the women so they made up new rules. I know what is in my heart.

When I say you will not mock my God to me...by you assuming that I am wrong and you are right, that's not mockery, that is ignorance (not the way it is connoted today, the real meaning of the word) but by outright denying Him, by slandering His name by making it seem as if He is impotent, and cannot be real because of XYZ, and won't listen to the explination of why that is wrong, or just discount the bible and me as old fashioned...I feel mocked.

You'd say I'm narrow minded. Since when does it make you so broad minded to doubt everything anyone might have to say about God and His plan for the world? Not even just Christianity but Islam, Judeaism, (both which would acknowledge the old testament) and other religions that still trust in an absolute moral bound message. What makes you so right and millions of people so wrong? Of course zealots are wrong, and not what God intended. I don't think killing in God"s name is ever right. I don't think hatred is ever right since Jesus came in LOVE saying "let the little children come to me" and went to those most hated in society to help them. It is PEOPLE who ruin other people NOT God.

I WAS NOT going to even come back and bother discussing this stuff, because most of you will ignore me anyway, or think that I am being holier then thou when I am just trying to get my point across and you can't hear my voice so you don't really know how I'm intoning things. . . Hear me, I TRY TO LOVE EVERYONE ...may not like some people as much as others but I am called to love, not hate. I don't hate gay people, so don't go there. My uncle is gay and his partner has been with him for longer then I have been alive. Do I like that, no, but he's my uncle so I love him. He's a child of God so I love him.

*clap clap*

I do believe being gay is wrong. However, I would not treat someone differently or badly because they are gay.

It bugs me that so many people here are so prejudice and close minded towards Christians, but blaim us for being prejudice and close-minded.

 

[Caren+Bailey]

It bugs me that so many people here are so prejudice and close minded towards Christians, but blaim us for being prejudice and close-minded.

I don't consider myself to be either of theses and also don't say that Christians are.

Each to their own as far as i'm concerned

 

[Dizzy]

Can I ask WHY is it wrong?

I seem to be asking why alot, but people make this statements, but never say WHY they thing that way.

WHY is being gay WRONG?

What is wrong with it?

What HARM does it cause?

How does it affect YOU?

How does it affect society in a NEGATIVE way?

Ta

 

[Dizzy]

Ditto - I haven't seen any prejudice, just questions.

 

[Squidbert]

Can I ask WHY is it wrong?

I seem to be asking why alot, but people make this statements, but never say WHY they thing that way.

WHY is being gay WRONG?

What is wrong with it?

What HARM does it cause?

How does it affect YOU?

How does it affect society in a NEGATIVE way?

Ta

I think most people here who feels it's wrong is because they have a belief system that tells them it's wrong..
Though I don't agree it's wrong I understand why Christians feel it's wrong.. Their belief system is based on the bible.. and it does say in the bible that homosexuality is a no no.
I think homosexuality is completly normal and believe it's just our society that makes it seem so terrible. I personally don't care who sleeps with who or how many..

 

[Zoom]

I'm going to go off on a tangent again, related, but not 100%. Soddom and Gomorrah: I thought (along with many Biblical scholars) was destroyed for extreme lack of hospitality and basic manners (wanting to rape strangers, not something I'd put in the travel brochure...) not so much for overt homosexuality. Angels are supposed to be sexless, though generally classified/depicted as male, which is where the "gay" part comes in I guess.

I'm right along with Andrew about letting the Churches decide for themselves who or who not to marry, it is a private instiution and are allowed to make their own rules to a certain extent. But civil rights dictate that gays should still be allowed marriage by a government official in a secular courthouse.

 

[Whisper]

I think most people here who feels it's wrong is because they have a belief system that tells them it's wrong..
Though I don't agree it's wrong I understand why Christians feel it's wrong.. Their belief system is based on the bible.. and it does say in the bible that homosexuality is a no no.
I think homosexuality is completly normal and believe it's just our society that makes it seem so terrible. I personally don't care who sleeps with who or how many..

You've taken words right out of my mouth! :yikes:

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

Caren + Bailey, my post was not directed at you specifically. It was not directed at anyone in particular. But of course if someone is prejudice and close - minded, they are not going to admit it! And by saying that, I am not saying you are prejudice and close-minded, or that you aren't prejudice and close-minded. It's simply my opinion.

The Bible DOES say being gay is wrong -
1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10
Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.

As I said earlier, I would never treat a gay person badly because they are gay.

 

[Pharlap290]

What I don't understand now is that the government has made such a big deal about seperation of church and state. Meaning if gay people want to get married they can. They should be able to obtain their marriage license and have all their benefits. They just won't be able to have a ceremony at a church. Now Bush, being Christian, is trying to pull back together church and state without actually saying so. He should have no say about gays, mostly because of all the problems this country has had with discrimination. His main reasons for being against gay marriage is on a Christian basis, which has no hold in a government discussion.

Personally I don't believe in any religion. I've seen no good come from any. I was taught from 6-12 grade in Catholic schools and thought it was absolutely hilarious. Teaching of the bibles, these preists who try to do the right things but are out getting drunk and gambling when adults tell their children not to do so. All the times I had heard hypocritical speach from the bible, not to mention everything that was just plain wrong.

The only problem is everyone views the bible as it was. To learn from the morals. Has anyone ever pictured what the bible would be like if it were now?...... Jesus would be a rebel, someone that would be placed in jail and considered insane. He mingled with the poor and mental, changed water to wine to get drunk... They mention this once but you think it only happend once? He was in love with a prostitute... is that normal? He looked for the outcasts in order to over throw the government.... isn't that treason?.... terrorism? Just think about it a little further and tell me religion is good.

 

[Sunnypup]

The Bilble also clearly states --> Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Main Entry: ig·no·rance
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&n(t)s
Function: noun
: the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness

So you are saying that we lack knowledge and education ?? just because someone doesnt agree with you...

actually...yes. You lack knowledge of my faith, you lack awareness that you are so busy telling others to not be narrowminded, but you (general populas you, not you personally) have no problem bashing the belief systems of other people and calling it "enlightenment".I'm not suprised, just sad. Society is all about doing what they feel is right for them...and we see how fabulous society as a whole has become due that that mentality *coughs*

I didn't say that gays couldn't/shouldn't love or be married. I actually said the opposite if you read my post. It doesn't effect me, besides with sadness, because people are so torn up about homosexuals getting married, but don't begin to address the divorce rate among straight couples, the destruction of family through affairs,and abuse. Have a protest about that and see how many people show up with signs. . .


Furthermore, I'm not judging. A question was asked. I gave my honest opinion, my honest belief. God will judge each of us someday. I personally hope to hear "well done, good and faithful servant" and not "turn away from me, I knew you not."

 

[Renee750il]

He's a child of God so I love him. This craziness about marriage and gays...I think it's stupid for this reason, and you have all mentioned it before: God never defines how to get married. So I'd say if two men want to get married, heck, let them have that piece of paper. God will sort it out if it's wrong in the end. People will do what they want to do. That is human nature in its very rawest form.

That is a very intelligent sentiment in that last paragraph, Sunny . . . and one of the more truly Christian statements made on the subject.

After all, why does it matter to anyone what two other consenting, adult people do together? As you say, Sunny, God - or Whatever Name we assign to our deities - will sort it all out if He/She/It finds it offensive.

 

[jess2416]

actually...yes. You lack knowledge of my faith, you lack awareness that you are so busy telling others to not be narrowminded, but you (general populas you, not you personally) have no problem bashing the belief systems of other people and calling it "enlightenment".I'm not suprised, just sad. Society is all about doing what they feel is right for them...and we see how fabulous society as a whole has become due that that mentality *coughs*

I didn't say that gays couldn't/shouldn't love or be married. I actually said the opposite if you read my post. It doesn't effect me, besides with sadness, because people are so torn up about homosexuals getting married, but don't begin to address the divorce rate among straight couples, the destruction of family through affairs,and abuse. Have a protest about that and see how many people show up with signs. . .


Furthermore, I'm not judging. A question was asked. I gave my honest opinion, my honest belief. God will judge each of us someday. I personally hope to hear "well done, good and faithful servant" and not "turn away from me, I knew you not."

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