Parents..would you be mad?

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I misread the OP but I still fail to see how a menu is an offending weapon. It's a piece of laminated paper... I might see the harm if the kid had gotten cut by it.
 

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Sparks, Hannah's spoiled you, lol ;)

Think about it . . . if the parents are that stupid/awful/pick a descriptive, you have to wonder if the kid picked up the same genes? If a kid can get a grown up to react and run away, you'd better believe he's going to be more determined than ever to do what that grown up is trying to avoid having done.
oh it's not just hannah. my mom ran a daycare... I have 6 biological neices and nephews and 7 step neices and nephews... plus a younger sibling that is 8 years my junior. I'm not new to children that is for SURE

and my one brothers kids have been hellions from the START. I'm talking MALICIOUS vindictive kids... and at 4 you could still outsmart them and out maneuver them.

They've gotten t hemselves into PLENTY of trouble. worse than this.

but when you are in a service industry you need to figure out how to handle these things.

i've worked my fair share of retail, fast food, etc etc jobs. you figure out ways to handle this stuff.
 

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I misread the OP but I still fail to see how a menu is an offending weapon. It's a piece of laminated paper... I might see the harm if the kid had gotten cut by it.
and a laminated piece of paper is going to send a 4 year old stumbling back?

I think it must be a little more than that if it sent the kid stumbling
 

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i just don't see sticking a menu that would make teh child stumble back as a gentle manner.
I do. He stumbled. So what? He wasn't hurt or injured, she left no marks. That's definitely my idea of gentle when someone's hell bent on touching me and I've made it clear I don't want them to.

As far as outsmarting four year olds? I sure hope I'm able to outsmart one, but you'll have to give me more than half a second. I don't think that fast. The issue here isn't intelligence, as you're suggesting, it's time and maneuvering safely. A four year old is DEFINITELY a lot faster than me when I'm unprepared, and probably faster than me in a straight line as well. I also make a bigger clatter when I trip over stuff, which I'd be worried about when running in a restaurant.
 

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I know spaghetti sauce isn't going to just wash up easily but I can't see myself wearing a nice white dress if I worked at a place that serves spaghetti (particularly to kids). I would assume food on your clothes is a normal 'occupational hazard' so to speak as a waitress. I would wash up as best I could then take it to dry cleaning, I guess.

With kids around, even with parents doing their best (I know I know, the parents told him to hug her but still...) you can pretty much expect things to happen. My step-niece, Kate, lobbed some queso across a restaurant the other day. It happened very fast and there was really nothing her parents could do. As a waitress, I would think I should react with grace and such because my job is to give the patrons a good time so they will hopefully return.
 

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Why the heck is everybody referring to the child as a toddler!?!

Seriously. 4 year olds are NOT toddlers. They are large. They speak in complete sentences. They are only a year shy of starting in public school. It's not uncommon for them to weigh upwards of 50 lbs. NOT A TODDLER. That makes a big difference to me. A 4 year old can be expected to see something is in their way and stop themselves. Likely, the kid was crying because he was startled when he fell, not that he was actually injured or anything.

And running in a restaurant? That sounds like a terrible idea. With all the patrons, servers, tables, etc. how can people not see that as a recipe for a complete disaster involving innocent bystanders?
 

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If some bratty kid runs up to me, yeah, I'm going to block them with whatever I can. A parent might not mind their kid's snot, slobber and goo but I sure as hell do. If an adult comes up to me I'll block them too (and have).

Likewise, if a chihuahua runs up to me aggressively I'm going to block it just as I would a large dog. I'm not going to be extra kind because it's a poor wittle puppeh and you have to be nice to them.

Parents that think their kid has special rights because they're a kid **** me off to no end. If you can't control your kid, don't take them out in public, simple as that. Same thing with a dog.
 

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well then I guess we'll just go around poking out menus and stuff at preschoolers lol as apparently that is the best choice.

what if the next time she's holding a tray? that's ok too?

sorry... she's the adult. she works in a profession that deals with kids... she needs to learn the best way to handle such situations and this wasn't it. I hope this was a learning experience that some parents are useless and you are going to get unruly kids. you need to find the best ways to deal with it. and I just don't think THIS was it.

heck I worked at burger king... I had kids that had peed in the ball pit come running at me. it's gross... but you find ways to handle it without sabotaging them. YES the parents sabotaged them from the beginning but that doesn't mean you have to perpetuate the cycle

and yeah why wear a white dress at a place that serves spaghetti to kids especially when one is so "clumsy"

and if I can get melted crayon out of clothes SURELY one can get spaghetti sauce out lol
 

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and a laminated piece of paper is going to send a 4 year old stumbling back?

I think it must be a little more than that if it sent the kid stumbling
I would just like to applaud you Sparks, for being a mother and knowing how things work in the world. People just don't seem to understand the meaning of acting professional any longer. I would have been pissed as well. I don't like the OP's attitude either. All because she didn't want to get a little dirty. I'm sorry but in a restaurant that serves pasta...little kids aren't the worst thing to worry about. It's sad how ever parents can say they would act in the same if not worse manners if this had happened to them. Yet don't we as parents end up messy from our own children too? I've had my fair share of days when I'm running late, trying to get out the door, baby pukes all over me as I'm headed out the door, no time to stop, head to work in spit up...IT HAPPENS....Such is life.

There were people in chat who said to put leashes on children and comparing children, to dogs. Now I love my dogs, they're like my family....but come on people...that is a bit ridiculous.
 

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Even if the kid is 4 and not 2, I am still much older and should act older.

I understand a lot of people on Chaz aren't kid people, but I think painting the kid and the parents as these horrible inconsiderate people is a bit... much. In all honesty they were probably just stupidly trying to be nice. Not a good plan, but still they were not likely trying to annoy people with their kid. Either way, the parents made the bad call. You can't expect a four year old to think things through completely especially against what his parents tell him. So any result that ends up with the kid on the ground crying (for whatever reason) isn't ideal to me.
 

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My kids get me dirty all the time. I love how I will get sll dressed up and try to go out the door, and they have to kiss me while eating something. They are my kids. I expect this. When I was working at the Starbucks I did not, however expect kids to come in and trash the place and us. And yet they did.

Leashing kids is perfectly acceptable for their safety and has nothing whatever to do with this child. I can't believe you really think it is wrong to block a child from barreling into you while covered in goo. I would hate to have to serve you with your attitude, to tell you the truth.
 

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She's not there to "deal with children", she doesn't work at friggin Chuck E Cheese, where its a given kids aren't watched and food is all over the place and mayhem persists.

If you wouldn't let you dog run up to people and give them kisses, why the hell would you let a child do it? Sounds like nice training for having kids climb into vans for free puppies...
 

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I would just like to applaud you Sparks, for being a mother and knowing how things work in the world. People just don't seem to understand the meaning of acting professional any longer. I would have been pissed as well. I don't like the OP's attitude either. All because she didn't want to get a little dirty. I'm sorry but in a restaurant that serves pasta...little kids aren't the worst thing to worry about. It's sad how ever parents can say they would act in the same if not worse manners if this had happened to them. Yet don't we as parents end up messy from our own children too? I've had my fair share of days when I'm running late, trying to get out the door, baby pukes all over me as I'm headed out the door, no time to stop, head to work in spit up...IT HAPPENS....Such is life.

There were people in chat who said to put leashes on children and comparing children, to dogs. Now I love my dogs, they're like my family....but come on people...that is a bit ridiculous.
yeah... hey I get it... people HATE kids. I get it. that's fine.

but I'm not about to stop taking my child out or restricting her to leash only just because people don't like kids.

i keep her under control but she is prone to tantrums when she's had enough... I've seen plenty of ADULTS here throw tantrums when they've had enough LOL why we expect more of kids is beyond me.

Hannah gets the basic rules. NO running around restaurants or stores but sometimes accidents happen and she reaches out and touches someone every once in a while. should she get something poked in her face for it? NO. I will apologize as the adult for that as it's my fault really it's not HER fault. take your issue up with ME... not with a CHILD.

now she's not really a touchy child but she is a social child and she will look at you and try to get your attention if she can. I really try to sway her from that if I can because really I want to teach her to "not talk to strangers" but she doesn't understand that yet. she thinks they are her audience lol. I don't allow her to be loud and I turn her around when she gets to staring but she's a freaking KID.

SHE doesn't deserve to be poked at and such ... the parents do. take it up with them... not the kid
 

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Why the heck is everybody referring to the child as a toddler!?!

Seriously. 4 year olds are NOT toddlers. They are large. They speak in complete sentences. They are only a year shy of starting in public school. It's not uncommon for them to weigh upwards of 50 lbs. NOT A TODDLER. That makes a big difference to me. A 4 year old can be expected to see something is in their way and stop themselves. Likely, the kid was crying because he was startled when he fell, not that he was actually injured or anything.

And running in a restaurant? That sounds like a terrible idea. With all the patrons, servers, tables, etc. how can people not see that as a recipe for a complete disaster involving innocent bystanders?
Hmmm, this is interesting...50 lb four year olds? Hell my 10 year old sister is only 60 lbs....my 3 year old TODDLER is only 26 lbs. Both healthy as far as their doctors are concerned. Furthermore, not all 4 year olds talk in complete sentences and for that matter (not in this case) It isn't always the parents fault. Have you ever attempted to take care of a special needs child? Because you know had it been a special needs child would everyone be saying the same things? I'm sure they would.

And you know a few bad manners and all the sudden the parents are dog crap and shouldn't reproduce? You people are honestly insane. Especially with some of the things you expect from YOUNG children. Some parents, honestly have children who take more time to learn and just don't listen...doesn't mean they ARENT good parents folks...****, we were all kids at one point, so lets think back shall we.
 

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My kids get me dirty all the time. I love how I will get sll dressed up and try to go out the door, and they have to kiss me while eating something. They are my kids. I expect this. When I was working at the Starbucks I did not, however expect kids to come in and trash the place and us. And yet they did.

Leashing kids is perfectly acceptable for their safety and has nothing whatever to do with this child. I can't believe you really think it is wrong to block a child from barreling into you while covered in goo. I would hate to have to serve you with your attitude, to tell you the truth.
good thing I don't go to starbucks :)

I think it is wrong to stick out an object "like a stick" knowing the child is going to run into it.
 

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yeah... hey I get it... people HATE kids. I get it. that's fine.

but I'm not about to stop taking my child out or restricting her to leash only just because people don't like kids.

i keep her under control but she is prone to tantrums when she's had enough... I've seen plenty of ADULTS here throw tantrums when they've had enough LOL why we expect more of kids is beyond me.

Hannah gets the basic rules. NO running around restaurants or stores but sometimes accidents happen and she reaches out and touches someone every once in a while. should she get something poked in her face for it? NO. I will apologize as the adult for that as it's my fault really it's not HER fault. take your issue up with ME... not with a CHILD.

now she's not really a touchy child but she is a social child and she will look at you and try to get your attention if she can. I really try to sway her from that if I can because really I want to teach her to "not talk to strangers" but she doesn't understand that yet. she thinks they are her audience lol. I don't allow her to be loud and I turn her around when she gets to staring but she's a freaking KID.

SHE doesn't deserve to be poked at and such ... the parents do. take it up with them... not the kid
Sometimes, I just take a look at the world and shake my head. I honestly wonder what it's coming too these days. ESPECIALLY when people can HATE children.
 

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Hmmm, this is interesting...50 lb four year olds? Hell my 10 year old sister is only 60 lbs....my 3 year old TODDLER is only 26 lbs. Both healthy as far as their doctors are concerned. Furthermore, not all 4 year olds talk in complete sentences and for that matter (not in this case) It isn't always the parents fault. Have you ever attempted to take care of a special needs child? Because you know had it been a special needs child would everyone be saying the same things? I'm sure they would.

And you know a few bad manners and all the sudden the parents are dog crap and shouldn't reproduce? You people are honestly insane. Especially with some of the things you expect from YOUNG children. Some parents, honestly have children who take more time to learn and just don't listen...doesn't mean they ARENT good parents folks...****, we were all kids at one point, so lets think back shall we.
Well, if your children need more time to learn how to behave in restaurants then they do not belong in restaurants. Period.
 

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Sparks, I think she was talking to CMG on that one, not you. ;)

Did Fran handle this with the grace and poise of the Queen herself? No. No one is saying she was 100% in the right. But neither is she 100% in the wrong. That's all.
 

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Maybe I'm weird... when a dog runs up to me uninvited, I generally pat it a couple times and take it back to the owner. The problem isn't the dog, it's the person not holding the dog on a leash. Likewise here... the problem was the parents, not the kid.

I think people (especially on dog forums it seems) aren't very understanding when it comes to kids. Not all kids are out to get you. They're just... kids. Things happen with them where they do stupid/unpredictable stuff sometimes.

Another Kateism (I love this kid). Same restaurant, she ran up to a man very quickly and latched on to his leg. She thought he was her father. Now, Kate isn't 4, she's 19 months but I would still hope someone would be understanding.

I get you don't like them or have to like them but really...
 

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