I know some dogs take it like it was no big deal, but it was a big deal for Victor. He had hives like a billion bees had stung him from the gas, he was swollen, it took a bag of ice, that he did leave him place. I hope Orson has neither of these. I put Vic through it because i signed a contract that said i would, not because i truly believed it needed to be done. bronki was intact, never hiked his leg anywhere he wasn't suppose to, made no puppies, and never had his nose up someone's bum because that would have been a million leagues beneath him. I felt so bad that Vic had to suffer so. NOr did Charlie or Hansi or any other of my males cept stinky dink but i was a kid then and his training should have been my parent's responsibility. They didn't have the input that i do.