THat is why I changed my original answer. THe first two bites were nips. THe last was obviously more than a puncture. THat coupled with the no growl or warning makes the dog illogical and impulsive which is the dangerous combo that i do not trust under any circumstances. I pray the owner has the strength to do what needs to be done and does not pass it on or wait until it happens again. I realize exactly how hard of a thing that is to do. But when a dog attacks like that something is very wrong.
My dog bit someone. is adoption an option??
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That is the BIGGEST mistake you could ever make. I made that mistake as well. Your situation sounds very familiar. I had an awesome first dog, and my second was a complete nutcase. Partly my fault (because I was so successful in raising my "perfect" dog I did everything the same) but there were some screws loose in that dog. He had 4 live bites by the time he hit 14 months (and it was agression not accidental bites). Last one involved a family member and he was back with the breeder that night (first refusal clause).
I cant for the life of me, explain that dogs temperament. It was very strange. I dont think anyone can evaluate your dog without seeing the behaviors first hand. Could be a little off in the head or could just be taking advantage of the fact thta he is allowed to get away with that behavior? Fear, sharpness, resource guarding, territorial or could just be that he likes the taste of human flesh
p)? No one can tell you that on the internet or over the phone.
IME it doesn't make the dog illogical or impulsive. My guess this is again the typical dog who has been punished (yelled at or whacked) for growling. The dog learns that growling is bad, yet still feels threatened, for what ever reason, by people. So you get a dog who bites 'with out warning'.
(once again my reason for the dislike of the training styles of ppl like Milan and Patterson.. punishing symptoms never cures the disease, only suppresses those warning signs)
(once again my reason for the dislike of the training styles of ppl like Milan and Patterson.. punishing symptoms never cures the disease, only suppresses those warning signs)
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And I agree with both of you.
There is the potential of so many variables; temperament, treatment, environment... (contexts may be different between dogs of the past and present dogs...a person may think their dog was raised the same way as a past dog but it's not only the human's treatment at play which influences a dog's reaction to things. It can be other people, situations, surroundings, incidents and more)...There are too many variables to positively say that one or the other is entirely responsible for the outcome.
And I agree with both of you.
There is the potential of so many variables; temperament, treatment, environment... (contexts may be different between dogs of the past and present dogs...a person may think their dog was raised the same way as a past dog but it's not only the human's treatment at play which influences a dog's reaction to things. It can be other people, situations, surroundings, incidents and more)...There are too many variables to positively say that one or the other is entirely responsible for the outcome.
Did you bring him to the vet yet? I also wanted to add that Brody has a very slight thyroid condition we found this out when he had the really bad ear infection. He never went after people but he was very short tempered (insane!:yikes with our other dogs. Well after being put on the thyroid meds he has totally mellowed out. Now keep in mind this was only a slight thyroid problem just imagine if the thyroid is way off!:yikes: I would not want to be in the same room with him. The thyroid meds are very cheap I only pay $22.00 for a three month suppl. I hope everything works out.
with our other dogs. Well after being put on the thyroid meds he has totally mellowed out. Now keep in mind this was only a slight thyroid problem just imagine if the thyroid is way off!:yikes: I would not want to be in the same room with him. The thyroid meds are very cheap I only pay $22.00 for a three month suppl. I hope everything works out.- Joined
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I agree with you, and Dekka. The VAST majority of people can't recognize ANY warning signals in a dog that don't involve obvious snarling/growling. I work with people, at a Pet Hotel, who didn't believe me when I said a dog licking their lips is stressed... and who often mistake a dog showing their teeth in warning as a "smile". It's shocking, really.
There are so many sketchy aspects of this situation, from the dog being tied up in a warehouse, to leaving an aggressive dog alone with a complete stranger, to the OP using positive reinforcement only "for so long" because this dog "got bigger". If anything, it makes much more sense to use natural motivators to condition and train a dog that is large and powerful, because he's obviously winning the battle of wills.
It would be irresponsible for anyone on the internet to tell you whether or not your dog deserves to live or die - and it's your decision to make, as your dog is your responsibility! It truly sounds like this dog was set up for failure, and from a breeder who is going to put the dog they produced to death sight unseen? It makes me sad. Please, please, please get into contact with a reputable, certified, positive-ONLY behaviorist and get a professional first-hand opinion.
There are so many sketchy aspects of this situation, from the dog being tied up in a warehouse, to leaving an aggressive dog alone with a complete stranger, to the OP using positive reinforcement only "for so long" because this dog "got bigger".
If anything, it makes much more sense to use natural motivators to condition and train a dog that is large and powerful, because he's obviously winning the battle of wills.It would be irresponsible for anyone on the internet to tell you whether or not your dog deserves to live or die - and it's your decision to make, as your dog is your responsibility! It truly sounds like this dog was set up for failure, and from a breeder who is going to put the dog they produced to death sight unseen? It makes me sad. Please, please, please get into contact with a reputable, certified, positive-ONLY behaviorist and get a professional first-hand opinion.
NO it is not always the case. Casey is pure proof of that. WHat he did was illogical. Total out of the norm of any dog i ever met. He was never struck, never teased, never scolded like that. I do know what it is like to look at a stranger and know that my dog just viciously attacked her and ripped open her calf. No puncture there..it was one of the most horrible days of my life. He did shake nervously when excited and did some truly odd things. All should have been red flags but its' so hard to believe your dog is nuts especially when they are that young. I called the police, i sat with the woman until someone could get her to the hospital (i had no car at the time, my husband did and he was far away at work) so there was nothing else i could do. I gave her all of our information and never heard from her again. I just knew we were going to get sued. I don't know why we weren't.
Maybe she was a dog lover and just not the type to sue. When I was a kid about 7 I got a chunk bit out of my stomach by a dog down the street and my parents did not sue them. I actually tried to hide the bite because I thought the dog would be killed but there was no way to hide it and I did know about rabies at the time so that scared me. I can't see myself ever suing anyone over a dog attack even if it is bad but I am just not that type of person.
I don't think anyone ever said that it the dog is always abused, just that in MOST cases the dog isn't just nuts. Obviously you got a exceptional dog.
And about suing.... I not a suing type... especially over a dog bite and especially when the owner was obviously very sorry. I never got the whole entitled to safety thing... it's a dog, I know dogs bite and I know they sometimes get out... this is obviously not good but it also doesn't entitle me to money... IMO... I'm not that precious of myself I guess Lol
Hopefully, I am not alone in that sentiment... I expect the lady you were involved with felt the same way.
And about suing.... I not a suing type... especially over a dog bite and especially when the owner was obviously very sorry. I never got the whole entitled to safety thing... it's a dog, I know dogs bite and I know they sometimes get out... this is obviously not good but it also doesn't entitle me to money... IMO... I'm not that precious of myself I guess Lol
Hopefully, I am not alone in that sentiment... I expect the lady you were involved with felt the same way.
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I feel the exact same way. People seem to forget dogs are animals, not little robots. Though we do our best to control, train, contain, ect things happen. They have teeth and were meant to use them, it is not illogical for a dog to bite. Also a dog bite doesnt mean the dog is unstable. So many variables come into play when a dog bites. Some thing we will never even catch that a dog will and react to it.