Let's Be Controversial

[Liminal]

Right, both of you... and to be clear I do think businesses feeling pressure to allow poorly behaved animals on the premises because they are or are told they are service animals is an issue, even if not where I live. It can be dangerous, can lose them money, and just breeds resentment. The situations I'm referring to didn't involve seriously misbehaving dogs though, just dogs doing things like sniffing where another dog had peed while working - which isn't ideal service dog behavior maybe, but isn't disruptive and is a pretty weak case to base suspicions of bad SD training on, seeing as ultimately even service dogs are dogs and won't be ideal 100% of the time. Better education for business owners so that they don't feel that pressure when confronted with an apparent service dog that is causing problems is a great idea, as would consistent regulation of service dog training and certification, etc.

Maybe I should broaden the complaint to include anyone who tries to police a genuinely legitimate issue without actually getting the facts within context for a given case before they start bawling about it. It's the same basic behavior pattern... right up the same alley as the guy who grouched at me for leaving my dog crated in my truck with the air conditioning on while I ran into a gas station to use the rest room. (I'm honestly considering getting a decal to reassure people that if the truck is running it's to keep the dog cool while I run inside briefly and not just because I like wasting gas. )

tl:dr I wish people would make sure they know what's actually going on before they ruin someone's day with a self-righteous yet ultimately unfounded accusation. Getting salty before you know the dish needs salt doesn't help anyone, like ever.

 

[Dogdragoness]

If more stores were animal friendly, then people wouldnt feel the need to "sneak" their pets in. I can understand places that sell food, like walmart, etc ... but places like clothing stores, etc really dont have an excuse not to be dog friendly. I see no reason why there is such a stigma against dogs, if the dog is ill behaved, ask it to leave, simple as that, problem solved; a few badly behaved dogs dont have to ruin it for everyone.

 

[BostonBanker]

but places like clothing stores, etc really dont have an excuse not to be dog friendly.

I will controversially say that I, as an avid dog lover, really don't want a lot of dogs in stores. Service dogs, fine. Everyone's dogs shedding and brushing up against the clothes in stores? Lifting their legs and marking things (hard to kick them out when half the time nobody notices)? Dogs I don't know sniffing or licking me in line? We have quite a few dog friendly stores in our area (our main pedestrian shopping street has each store that allows dogs marked, and there are quite a few) and I've seen/experienced all those things. I can't imagine what it is like for people who don't like dogs.

 

[Dogdragoness]

I will controversially say that I, as an avid dog lover, really don't want a lot of dogs in stores. Service dogs, fine. Everyone's dogs shedding and brushing up against the clothes in stores? Lifting their legs and marking things (hard to kick them out when half the time nobody notices)? Dogs I don't know sniffing or licking me in line? We have quite a few dog friendly stores in our area (our main pedestrian shopping street has each store that allows dogs marked, and there are quite a few) and I've seen/experienced all those things. I can't imagine what it is like for people who don't like dogs.

Lifting legs is a training issue, and I dont like kids, but I still deal with them when I am out, I am sure people who dont like dogs can learn how to as well.

 

[sassafras]

Lifting legs is a training issue, and I dont like kids, but I still deal with them when I am out, I am sure people who dont like dogs can learn how to as well.

Christ not this again.

 

[Dogdragoness]

Plus, places that are more dog friendly (places in europe) see a lot fewer ill behaved dogs, because ill behaved dogs arent tolerated at most places there, you want to bring your dog? then train it.

Maybe they could have a set of requirements, such as at least basic obedience, or they have to have a CGC title or something?

 

[release the hounds]

Just as I think all these "zero tolerance" policies in school result in more ill behaved kids and ill prepared adults, I think the effect of our mostly anti-dog society results in more ill behaved dogs.

Opportunity for growth will come with it's problems, but it also comes with change and it's own set of benefits. It's amazing how different cultures have such a different relationships as a society with animals. A society that lives around and among well behaved dogs, expects and demands well behaved dogs. Dog "friendliness" is very much regional, but overall, we're not a very dog tolerant or friendly society. I think it's kind of sad really

 

[Dogdragoness]

I see this a lot in this area, which is very dog friendly, a lot of stores (that legally can) allow well behaved dogs inside, and as a result, the standard of training is upped in this area, VS less dog friendly areas I have been to.

 

[Michiyo-Fir]

I have no problems with docking and cropping.

I also have no problems with spaying and neutering young (like 6 months) opposed to 6 weeks. Of course I understand some people wait for growth plates to close, etc, but if I'm not getting a dog for sport, I'm not against a relatively early spay/neuter.

I have no problems with dogs living outside provided they have a heated dog house (if it's cold) and get to spend quality time with the family as in activities, come in for a few hours a day, etc.

I don't think raw is the 100% guaranteed best way to feed a dog. Neither do I think premium dog kibble is the end all be all. I do see some dogs that do fine/well on other brands that are often shunned or criticized severely.

I don't agree with breeders picking puppies for the owners 100% without any kind of say from the buyer. I know some breeders won't even let you choose the sex that you want. I believe if the breeder wants to choose there should be some kind of happy medium in a discussion of which puppy the buyer would like vs the one the breeder thinks would be most suitable.

I definitely have preferred colours or patterns in dogs. Yes it's only aesthetic but it's still important to me. I am willing to compromise some traits for example high drive vs medium drive, super outgoing vs friendly but not pushy, etc for the colour, coat, size, that I like.

I don't do bi-annual or annual check ups on myself or my dogs. I only visit when I see a problem. Some owners tell me this is absolutely irresponsible... but I don't see the point of spending 80-100 every year or twice a year when the check up lasts 15 minutes...

 

[Dogdragoness]

My dogs see a vet yearly (provided they are healthy and all that).

I have no issues with crop/dock as long as it is done by a veterinary professional in a clinic, not by Joe Blow at home with a pair of scissors or something.

I have no issues with cross breeding of dogs as long as it is done responsibly, and ethically.

 

[nomdd1]

I still cry myself to sleep thinking about all the puppies I had to take to the euthaniasia room when I worked at the shelter, and they weren't even my puppies/I didn't have any choice in the matter.

 

[Dogdragoness]

OMFG ... so cities in my state passed that bill allowing men (who are still biologically MEN) to use women's facilities, and even showers , locker rooms, etc ... WTF???

Sorry but no, if I see a **** dude in any woman's restrooms, I am kicking the ******* out!

 

[Sekah]

OMFG ... so cities in my state passed that bill allowing men (who are still biologically MEN) to use women's facilities, and even showers , locker rooms, etc ... WTF???

Sorry but no, if I see a **** dude in any woman's restrooms, I am kicking the ******* out!

**** you

 

[RBark]

OMFG ... so cities in my state passed that bill allowing men (who are still biologically MEN) to use women's facilities, and even showers , locker rooms, etc ... WTF???

Sorry but no, if I see a **** dude in any woman's restrooms, I am kicking the ******* out!

I was going to ask you to please do so, just for the sake of getting you in jail and away from decent society. But that would require a innocent person who just needed to pee hurt.

So instead I'm just going to pee in your general direction from now on, in hopes of traumatizing you with the sheer terror of my penis being exposed behind walls. I hope this trauma scars you for life.

 

[release the hounds]

I pee'd in a women's restroom. We'd been traveling a long time, I had to go really badly ran in. It was a rest stop i've been too before and ran in. It doesn't have doors, got in and wondered where the heck the urinals were?? Had to go to bad to take time and figure it out. As I was going i heard voices come in and then leave. They must have seen the top of my head and heard the steady stream and recognized that the sound wasn't feminine. I then figured out why there weren't any urinals in there. Then my wife came in and said my name

anyway, I can see why women don't want to be exposed at all around men, there are a lot of pigs out there. They cant' respect them walking down the street, i can imagine what it would be like in the bathroom. But I have no issues with someone that identifies with another sex using any bathroom.

 

[NicoleLJ]

OMFG ... so cities in my state passed that bill allowing men (who are still biologically MEN) to use women's facilities, and even showers , locker rooms, etc ... WTF???

Sorry but no, if I see a **** dude in any woman's restrooms, I am kicking the ******* out!

This post and opinion REALLY bothers me. One of my daughters friends is transgender and my daughters boyfriends dad is as well. So this is something really important to me and my family. They have no desire to go into a bathroom to bother anyone. They are just going in to pee, just like you. I can't imagine how hard it is to be transgender. Feeling uncomfortable in your own body and not knowing why. And then when you do figure it out having to face all the judgments of others and the prejudice of some in society. There is a reason why the suicide risk is highest in kids and teens who are LGTB. And anything we as a society can do to help them feel accepted and being able to accept themselves, we should all embrace.

 

[Snark]

I have no problem with trans using whatever bathroom. I do have a problem with a man in the women/girls' locker room who still has his penis (ie, the case at a high school in Missouri). Why do the rights of one trans outweigh the rights of the rest of the girls using that locker room, most of whom don't want him in there? He was offered a private changing room, but he wants to be in the girls' locker room.

The only issue I have with the bathroom law is, how do you know that the man in the ladies room is really a trans, and not a creep? I don't believe the law states one has to be dressed as the sex they identify with, they just have to 'identify' themselves as that gender, so why can't some pervert declare he 'feels feminine' today? What's to stop a sex offender from taking advantage of the law? No woman is going to chase him out or report him for fear of being labeled a hater or even being sued for harassment. It's a win for him - he gets his thrills and the trans community gets the blame...

 

[Paviche]

**** you

seconded

 

[Kayota]

Norma you have known I'm transgender for years and still treated me decently, what the heck is your problem? I just can't believe you. What a disgusting attitude.

 

[Locke]

The only issue I have with the bathroom law is, how do you know that the man in the ladies room is really a trans, and not a creep? I don't believe the law states one has to be dressed as the sex they identify with, they just have to 'identify' themselves as that gender, so why can't some pervert declare he 'feels feminine' today? What's to stop a sex offender from taking advantage of the law? No woman is going to chase him out or report him for fear of being labeled a hater or even being sued for harassment. It's a win for him - he gets his thrills and the trans community gets the blame...

I'm not trans, but I'm pretty sure lots of trans people do their best to "pass" as the gender they are transitioning to. A lot of that means dressing in feminine or masculine clothing and accessories.

That's not to say some creeps may take advantage, but I don't think it is fair for fear of a few creeps to overrule the rights of people struggling to be who they truly are.