What I keep wondering is why a breeder would sell a show puppy to someone who doesn't want to show - and moreover, not tell their puppy buyer what is entailed when showing a dog. The breeder should have informed you about all of this - not an internet forum. Sorry, I just don't understand it. If you're not going to show the dog, the breeder should have placed a pet with you.
Is it true that show dogs must
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Is it in your contract that you are to show/ finish this puppy in the conformation ring either yourself, use of a handler or the breeder? If not.. why would a breeder give up a show prospect to a pet home?
Buying a potential show prospect.. it should have been disclosed the amount of effort the breed one is buying needs for the ring. It isn't something one usually jumps into with no forethought and a lot of breeder/mentor talks.
Buying a potential show prospect.. it should have been disclosed the amount of effort the breed one is buying needs for the ring. It isn't something one usually jumps into with no forethought and a lot of breeder/mentor talks.
If you didn't want the responsibility of showing you dog you should have bought a pet quality puppy. Why did your breeder let you have a dog that should be shown if you made it clear that you aren't interested in it?
And, just to let you know, your attitude towards conformation showing as a third class sort of activity is offensive. You may not have realized exactly how many respected members on chaz show their dogs, and your comments are coming across rather snobbishly. Hopefully that's not how you meant them.
And, just to let you know, your attitude towards conformation showing as a third class sort of activity is offensive. You may not have realized exactly how many respected members on chaz show their dogs, and your comments are coming across rather snobbishly. Hopefully that's not how you meant them.
I must say I agree with nolu on this one. Show dogs are pets too - they're loved just as much as pets, they're treated just as well as pets, and they're probably trained and socialized *more* than pets.
If you are so disgusted with the show world, *why* did you get a show puppy? Does your breeder know your opinions on the show community at large?
If you are so disgusted with the show world, *why* did you get a show puppy? Does your breeder know your opinions on the show community at large?
This made me laugh, because people aren't allowed to pet Strider when he's working, but he reeeeaaalllly wants to get petted. He lurves people, especially middle aged ladies.
Anyway, the dog show I entered him in had a middle aged lady for a judge, and oh. my. gosh. He about exploded with happiness when she put her hands on him. :rofl1: She spent a few minutes making smoochy faces at him and rubbing his ears, lol. She was so nice, and knew it was the first time in the ring for both of us so wanted him to have a positive experience. Now that his coat is growing back I'm going to start looking seriously at some more shows to enter him in. He thinks it's loads of fun, and that's the important thing.
Anyway, the dog show I entered him in had a middle aged lady for a judge, and oh. my. gosh. He about exploded with happiness when she put her hands on him. :rofl1: She spent a few minutes making smoochy faces at him and rubbing his ears, lol. She was so nice, and knew it was the first time in the ring for both of us so wanted him to have a positive experience. Now that his coat is growing back I'm going to start looking seriously at some more shows to enter him in. He thinks it's loads of fun, and that's the important thing.
I *do* think it depends. I've gotten two dogs (both male) who were 'showable ptes'- they were nice enough to show, but they were sold to me with the understanding that I might neuter them before they finished because if they didn't mature to be extraordinary dogs, I had no interest in campaigning or breeding them. (This was Indy- who was neutered at 5 and Mal, who is being neutered and pet placed.)
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I have to say, if you love dogs, you would almost have to love dog shows. Yeah, I go to show my dogs, and hopefully to win, but a big part of it is seeing my friends, seeing so many beautiful dogs, learning about other breeds, shopping, etc etc etc.
And as a breeder, if you buy a puppy from me as show potential and sign my contract, you bettah be ready to show it.
And as a breeder, if you buy a puppy from me as show potential and sign my contract, you bettah be ready to show it.
Not to pick on you puppydog as several people said this same thing but this information is incorrect. Almost all of my show prospect puppies go to pet homes where they are spayed/neutered. Why? I'm not a "big name" breeder who campaigns specials and spends a ton of money to advertise so show homes don't exactly beat down my door for a puppy. Sure I could keep show prospects for months or even years until a show home comes along but why would I do that when I have a fabulous pet home eagerly awaiting a puppy? Yes it is disappointing to know that no one is going to see that show prospect puppy in the show ring but seeing the puppy loved and cherished by its new family more than makes up for it.
Ivans are shaved when showing. When hes not hes got them. Everytime he gets them shaved he "thinks" we are going to a show. So after him bugging me about going, I quit doing them unless we are going to a show.
On breeders only placing show quality in show quality homes. Some breeders will let a show quality go to a non show home simply because they don't have a show home for it. Sometimes they will let the non show home neuter the pup or put in a clause that allows the breeder to show the pup. BUT it is ALWAYS noted in the contract and UNDERSTOOD by both parties. That way if the owners deciede they don't want to show or have the dog shown they are in default of the contract.
On breeders only placing show quality in show quality homes. Some breeders will let a show quality go to a non show home simply because they don't have a show home for it. Sometimes they will let the non show home neuter the pup or put in a clause that allows the breeder to show the pup. BUT it is ALWAYS noted in the contract and UNDERSTOOD by both parties. That way if the owners deciede they don't want to show or have the dog shown they are in default of the contract.
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Apparently, the breeder of my puppy is a bit delusional. First off, the dog was given a limited AKC registration.
Secondly, my first e-mail to the woman stated that I wanted a pet and NOT a show dog.
Thirdly, there is NOTHING in the contract for this puppy that states ANYTHING about showing the puppy.
Fourthly, I have my hands full housebreaking the puppy, going to puppy classes and doing all the things that an Aussie pup needs to have done with it.
Fifthly, this breeder is trying to get me involved in a fight with her husband who picked a different male dog whose testicles aren't in conformation and the breeder is angry with her husband for picking that dog.
Fifthly, my pup is adorable, but he is just as adorable as the thousands of Aussies that are shown around every year, and sixthly, I am putting a teenager through college right now, and I don't have the extra bucks to travel and do the show routine now, and I won't either for the next four years, which is why I expressely asked for a pet Aussie.
The breeder has some kind of seller's remorse over this dog and nothing more and as I said before, there isn't anything about this lovely puppy to get so **** excited about.
I once went to a show for shih-tzu many years ago and I can tell you that the competition in the air for these dogs was filled with vitriol; every owner had an "attitude" and I'd never be interested in the show scene because I don't need to live vicariously through my dog getting prizes. I have a full enough life as it is, without needing to feed my ego by showing a dog.
That being said, I'll find my next dog through a pound or a puppy mill, rather than dealing with neurotic breeders and their ilk.
Secondly, my first e-mail to the woman stated that I wanted a pet and NOT a show dog.
Thirdly, there is NOTHING in the contract for this puppy that states ANYTHING about showing the puppy.
Fourthly, I have my hands full housebreaking the puppy, going to puppy classes and doing all the things that an Aussie pup needs to have done with it.
Fifthly, this breeder is trying to get me involved in a fight with her husband who picked a different male dog whose testicles aren't in conformation and the breeder is angry with her husband for picking that dog.
Fifthly, my pup is adorable, but he is just as adorable as the thousands of Aussies that are shown around every year, and sixthly, I am putting a teenager through college right now, and I don't have the extra bucks to travel and do the show routine now, and I won't either for the next four years, which is why I expressely asked for a pet Aussie.
The breeder has some kind of seller's remorse over this dog and nothing more and as I said before, there isn't anything about this lovely puppy to get so **** excited about.
I once went to a show for shih-tzu many years ago and I can tell you that the competition in the air for these dogs was filled with vitriol; every owner had an "attitude" and I'd never be interested in the show scene because I don't need to live vicariously through my dog getting prizes. I have a full enough life as it is, without needing to feed my ego by showing a dog.
That being said, I'll find my next dog through a pound or a puppy mill, rather than dealing with neurotic breeders and their ilk.
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Hey, YOU picked the breeder. Many people, myself included, have great fun at dog shows, and so do our dogs. I lost this past Sunday, and I smiled and congratulated the winner, and wished her luck in the group, and I meant it.
It appears that you have made your breeder into an adversary. A very unfortunate circumstance. If I were in her shoes, you would be well advised not to give me any reason to repossess your dog. Most breeders don't take too kindly to people who flip on they after they have the dog.
It appears that you have made your breeder into an adversary. A very unfortunate circumstance. If I were in her shoes, you would be well advised not to give me any reason to repossess your dog. Most breeders don't take too kindly to people who flip on they after they have the dog.
You know I was with you till this part.. and then found this part offensive. I am sorry your experience was bad. Conformation showign is NOT my thing, but I have to say its not usually like that. Yes there are some nasty people-but you find nasty people in all areas of life.
Soo I guess I live vicariously through my dogs huh? I love agility and obedience and terrier trials, and racing my whippets.... But this might shock you.
I do it because I love spending time with my dogs.
Shocking isn't it? Now I am human enough to enjoy winning, but if I wanted to win all the time in agility I wouldn't have to dogs I do. I have them because I love them...
Ok so getting from a shelter is good.. But really!! You would condone dog torture and support HORRID conditions for dogs because you are having a less than pleasant experience with ONE (just one) breeder. You think that supporting puppymills is better than having a tiff with a breeder?!??
I am shocked! At least I (read nasty breeder who lives vicariously through my dogs) Love my dogs and don't abuse them. I guess its so much better to support those who don't love and look after their dogs, who don't care and don't ask questions...
Soo I guess I live vicariously through my dogs huh? I love agility and obedience and terrier trials, and racing my whippets.... But this might shock you.
I do it because I love spending time with my dogs.
Shocking isn't it? Now I am human enough to enjoy winning, but if I wanted to win all the time in agility I wouldn't have to dogs I do. I have them because I love them...
Ok so getting from a shelter is good.. But really!! You would condone dog torture and support HORRID conditions for dogs because you are having a less than pleasant experience with ONE (just one) breeder. You think that supporting puppymills is better than having a tiff with a breeder?!??
I am shocked! At least I (read nasty breeder who lives vicariously through my dogs) Love my dogs and don't abuse them. I guess its so much better to support those who don't love and look after their dogs, who don't care and don't ask questions...
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I didn't do the flipping, she did. She showed us the dog, we said we'd love to take him and that was that.
By the next week, she was changing her mind, and my husband told her, that we'd be glad to take a different dog, but don't give it to us unless you really want to and her reply was, no, you take it, I can't keep all the dogs I breed!!!
So, not only were were gracious enough to offer her the dog, before we took it home, but we are giving the dog a wonderful home and isn't that what a truly good breeder wants........a loving home for her puppies?????
By the next week, she was changing her mind, and my husband told her, that we'd be glad to take a different dog, but don't give it to us unless you really want to and her reply was, no, you take it, I can't keep all the dogs I breed!!!
So, not only were were gracious enough to offer her the dog, before we took it home, but we are giving the dog a wonderful home and isn't that what a truly good breeder wants........a loving home for her puppies?????
well if theres nothing in the contract, then you dont have to show him. thats your choice, and it does cost money and there is traveling involved and theres no point in doing it if you wont like it... so just dont. nobody here was trying to force you. You bought a dog to be a pet, you never told the breeder you would.. so dont show.
BUT i do have to say that showing a dog is nothing about feeding egos or living through your dog getting prices. there are many people who show here, and I think that was a tad bit insulting to them. Ive met many people that show that are very nice, to eachother as well as anyone else. as with any sport, there are sore losers and not so nice people, but everything has something very important in common, THEY LOVE DOGS.
i would love more than anything to have a dog i could show, i love dog shows, but i know its not for everyone.
The shelter is a great way to get a dog, and so is a breeder. if you dont like this breeder than a different one might suit your needs.
BUT i do have to say that showing a dog is nothing about feeding egos or living through your dog getting prices. there are many people who show here, and I think that was a tad bit insulting to them. Ive met many people that show that are very nice, to eachother as well as anyone else. as with any sport, there are sore losers and not so nice people, but everything has something very important in common, THEY LOVE DOGS.
i would love more than anything to have a dog i could show, i love dog shows, but i know its not for everyone.
The shelter is a great way to get a dog, and so is a breeder. if you dont like this breeder than a different one might suit your needs.
So, not only were were gracious enough to offer her the dog, before we took it home, but we are giving the dog a wonderful home and isn't that what a truly good breeder wants........a loving home for her puppies?????
Red had a good point.. YOU picked the breeder.
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I am sorry that things turned out the way that they did but believe me, the next time I want a puppy, I will be very careful in picking out the breeder as I would in picking out the dog!!! Also, it's unfortunate that my experience with the show dog scene was "dog eat dog" but since I never went back to another show, I guess it wasn't "my thing".
Plenty of people adore dogs, even my puppie's trainer, whose been a trainer for 10 years and has 3 dogs herself, said that the show scene wasn't for her, either, that her dogs were champs to her and that was all that mattered, and I agree fully with her!
