Iditarod 2008 Death & Injury Statistics

[sisco16]

Maybe Im missing something here. But I too have a husky and when im at school I have to leave here in her fenced in kennel. I dont find this cruel it's just for a short time while im at school. I have taken her for a walk every day if not two. We go to the dog park weather permitting talking about if its muddy then we dont go.I used to have her on a tie out during the day but she is far to smart and can slip her collar.This is very dangerous since the highway is not far from our back yard so we resorted to the fanced in kennel during the day and she has a dog house and fresh water and toys she's only in there for like 4-5 hours each day.

 

[Dekka]

Sisco.. Its not like that... Its cause Summitview has stated that leaving dogs unattended outside is cruel. 99.99% of chaz members are not going to think you miss treat your dog.

 

[lakotasong]

One of the main problems is that Alaska excuses sled dogs from even their most basic anti-cruelty laws:

This section comprises Alaska's anti-cruelty and animal fighting laws, which were amended in 2004. The section that references the definition of "animal" (Sec. 3. AS 11.81.900(b)) was amended by adding new a paragraph to read: "animal" means a vertebrate living creature not a human being, but does not include fish." The law first sets forth the relevant minimum standards of care. Alaska law also allows a person who believes that cruelty to animals has taken place or is taking place to file a complaint with a public or private animal control agency or organization, the department, or a peace officer. It is a defense to a prosecution under this cruelty section that the conduct of the defendant was part of scientific research governed by accepted standards; constituted the humane destruction of an animal; conformed to accepted veterinary or animal husbandry practices; was necessarily incidental to lawful fishing, hunting or trapping activities; conformed to professionally accepted training and discipline standards. Additionally, this section does not apply to generally accepted dog mushing or pulling contests or practices or rodeos or stock contests.

Also, you only see (at most) 16 sled dogs per kennel lined up at the Iditarod starting line. You never see the additional HUNDREDS that are left back at home, neglected and abused because they didn't make the main team.

Has anyone else on this forum actually been to an Iditarod kennel? I've been to several.

 

[sisco16]

Maybe this makes me a bad person but im just trying to do whats best for her and the situation I can provide while im at school I no its not ideal cause i dont have a fenced in yard but she still gets plenty of excersice on our walks and i try to visit the dog park frequently. She is never really let of her flexi leash when outside unless shes at the dogpark. I caint wait for a few more years to have that fenced in yard she deserves.

 

[Dekka]

Maybe this makes me a bad person but im just trying to do whats best for her and the situation I can provide while im at school I no its not ideal cause i dont have a fenced in yard but she still gets plenty of excersice on our walks and i try to visit the dog park frequently. She is never really let of her flexi leash when outside unless shes at the dogpark. I caint wait for a few more years to have that fenced in yard she deserves.

ummm who is saying you are bad?

 

[lakotasong]

Sisco.. Its not like that... Its cause Summitview has stated that leaving dogs unattended outside is cruel. 99.99% of chaz members are not going to think you miss treat your dog.

I've never said that leaving dogs unattended, with correct fencing, in the correct setting is cruel. I live in the country, with my fences set far back on the property, with remote surveillance, and there is ALWAYS someone home. I see no problem with this. It is also clearly marked on my fences that the property is under surveillance, the dogs are have microchips and/or are tattooed, and that the property is under neighborhood/state police watch.

Stop putting words in my mouth to try and further your own agenda.

 

[jess2416]

So you leaving yours outside is ok, but people that use a different method are cruel... ??

 

[sisco16]

Its on the page before.

OMG Summit leaves her dogs outside while she's gone, unsupervised. How CRUEL of you to leave them behind a fence, you ought to just put them out of their misery.

Okay, I'm going to do my best to stay out of this thread now. But for all of you with coherent, intelligent posts... *applause*

 

[lakotasong]

sisco, I told you this would happen, LOL! I hope you check out some of the groups I sent you, they are really worth getting involved with and they could always use another compassionate owner like you.

 

[lakotasong]

So you leaving yours outside is ok, but people that use a different method are cruel... ??

It all depends on the method of confinement and the amount of time the dog is forced to be confined by that method.

 

[adojrts]

Also, you only see (at most) 16 sled dogs per kennel lined up at the Iditarod starting line. You never see the additional HUNDREDS that are left back at home, neglected and abused because they didn't make the main team.

Has anyone else on this forum actually been to an Iditarod kennel? I've been to several.

You can't possibly think we would believe that, do you?? That would compare to saying that the few Thoroughbreds that are sent to the track, that all the other horses still at the farm are abused and neglected, that would be insane. Good grief, I am sure, that a mushers has dogs at home that are future prospects for such races and to abuse them and/or neglect them on any level would compromize the end goal. That doesn't make sense on any level!!!
ANYONE that competes in ANYTHING and/or breeds KNOWS that it isn't the one or two (or in this case 16) that make a kennel...................

 

[sisco16]

I was looking at them but it looked like there was only one were i could do something the help the dogs page. Can you do something similar on the others. I will have to go back and dig around on them. Thanks for sending me them

 

[LauraLeigh]

Its on the page before.

OMG Summit leaves her dogs outside while she's gone, unsupervised. How CRUEL of you to leave them behind a fence, you ought to just put them out of their misery.

I am trying to stay out, but have to say I think the above was said ummm with *sarcasm*...... and not aimed at you in any way, ps it would be easier to follow if you quoted noludoru's words the way I did yours above, so we could clearly follow who said what

 

[sisco16]

http://www.helpsleddogs.org/remarks-abuseinkennels.htm

Here i found this site if any one is interest i find it rather interesting since it talks about everthing in here and more using the culled dogs for fur and more have a see. That is unless you dont want to but i thin you will find it informitive.

 

[Dekka]

Stop putting words in my mouth to try and further your own agenda.

YAY i have an agenda! I am all for intelligent animal welfare...yay. I am against animal rights propaganda. Whoot go me.

 

[sisco16]

Please see some of this stuff its sad and you have no reason not to trust me im not here to fuel anyone i just want the issue to be heard. so please find it in your heart to take a look. at what i posted above. thanks.

 

[LauraLeigh]

Sisco, I do believe you have the best of intentions and I will read your links, no matter what I feel about them, I will say that I truly feel you are a good person with your dogs best interests at heart.

 

[adojrts]

Hey Dekka, thanks!!!!!

 

[Buddy'sParents]

It all depends on the method of confinement and the amount of time the dog is forced to be confined by that method.

As if you should be the one to dictate that. Please.

I'm wondering when the "I told my lawyer on you!" whining is going to start? And, the "You people don't care about animals" bullshit along with the "I'm right and you're all wrong, wrong, wrong because you can't see things MY way". Or, maybe you'll spare us this time. Maybe...

You start these threads and then appear baffled at the lack of support for your one-sided "I speak for the voiceless" propaganda. Maybe you'll get it this time... your voice is not the only one that speaks for animals and thankfully, it's not the loudest. You attack whole groups instead of going for the offenders within the group and you stand for things that jeopardize ALL animal lovers who own animals. These very things are not what the majority of this dog forum stands for- so no, no one falls all over themselves to hail you and the garbage you spout. If you want people to take your seriously.. educate yourself a little better and stand for things that DOG LOVERS would stand for. Then and only then, will you find that this forum and many others, I'm sure, come together and support realistic causes for animals. Until then, spare us. Your regular drama antics are getting old.

 

[Amstaffer]

Sisco, the dogs running the Iditarod are ATHLETES. Their owners have serious money invested in them. How the owners/mushers may or may not feel emotionally about their dogs aside, do you really believe that anyone who was serious about the sport would abuse their star athletes that way?

Think about it.

I have heard dog fighters make very similar statements about their dogs