I love when people think they know whats best for your dog...

[skittledoo]

And she is responsible for other people's dogs???????????? I wonder if these people know her training methods....

This is why I dont trust many other people to care for my dogs...even if it is just to walk them

I totally second this. There are very few people that I trust to walk Bamm. My family gets on my case when I say things like, "I don't want to go on vacations unless I can take my dog"... they suggest me kenneling or something of the sort, but I honestly do NOT feel comfortable with that idea. I'm extremely picky with how people handle my dog and if they think I'm just being ridiculous for being picky then that's their problem not mine.

 

[release the hounds]

what is wrong with letting other dogs sniff your dog while in a submissive position?

 

[Sweet72947]

I totally second this. There are very few people that I trust to walk Bamm. My family gets on my case when I say things like, "I don't want to go on vacations unless I can take my dog"... they suggest me kenneling or something of the sort, but I honestly do NOT feel comfortable with that idea. I'm extremely picky with how people handle my dog and if they think I'm just being ridiculous for being picky then that's their problem not mine.

If you kenneled Bamm, I believe he would just shut down. Just thinking of him around all the noise of other dogs, all the strange new people... :yikes:

 

[AGonzalez]

Oh yeah because that alpha roll thing just works great...NOT!
I had a friend back in AZ with a "pitbull" (he looked more like an American Bulldog or something, the head and face weren't pittie looking at all) that just "wasn't right" in the head. Seriously, this dog bit 5 different people, drew blood on 2 (I escaped the bite with having bell bottom style jeans on luckily) and ended up biting his owner resulting in about 20 stitches in his hand...ANYWAY...everytime this dog would bite someone or snap at them he'd alpha roll it and try to get them to come up and pet him. He'd just spaz out for no reason, when he tried to bite me I was petting him as he layed next to me for about 30 minutes, then all of a sudden he was going after me...mental issue dog!
But anyway, so my friend put him in an alpha roll right after he went after me...and then goes "Ok now come up and pet him"...my reply "F---- You I'm not petting him, he tried to bite me!" - the whole alpha roll thing obviously just worked so well, because I went to walk by while he was still in it and he jumped up and after me again...I think it just exacerbated the problem.
I really don't see how it helps in fear situations, which I think is why Lloyd (vicious dog from the pits of hell) bit people, I think it only makes them worse.

 

[Maxy24]

what is wrong with letting other dogs sniff your dog while in a submissive position?

If you were severely afraid of someone, enough to lash out at them if they approached, and someone you trusted, a parent or good friend decided to push you to the ground, hold you down and allow that person to come up to you and touch you (no not like that) or even simply look at you up close how would you feel? Would you suddenly be like, wow this guy is great! no you would be so hysterical you would not even realize the person was not hurting you or doing anything bad because you would be in fight or flight mode and trying to get the person holding you down to let go so you could save yourself. Doing this to a dog is called flooding and it does not work, the dog is reacting usually out of fear, flooding him with what he is afraid of only makes things worse. And some dogs see it as a punishment, so punish a scared animal, then he associates his fear with you and his stress level increases around dogs because when they are around he gets punished.
Thanks Cesar! *grumbles*

 

[dr2little]

what is wrong with letting other dogs sniff your dog while in a submissive position?

Submission is offered by choice by a dog and should NEVER be forced. Great way to cause reactivity in the future.

Oh and I agree with Max - Cesar strikes again!

 

[release the hounds]

funny cause putting my dog in a down while others sniff around is exactly what got her over her DA. a down position isn't exactly an alpha roll, but it is a submissive position. and did this woman say throw the dog down in an alpha roll or tell you to make him lay in his side?

 

[release the hounds]

I missed the cesar references, I know to stay out of this discussion. Not because of the mention of cesar, but because of the emotion his name brings up and the direction threads with his name always go.

 

[dr2little]

funny cause putting my dog in a down while others sniff around is exactly what got her over her DA. a down position isn't exactly an alpha roll, but it is a submissive position. and did this woman say throw the dog down in an alpha roll or tell you to make him lay in his side?

Again, submission is a choice. Behaviour suppression is not actually a sign that your dog is 'cured'. If you don't deal with what caused her DA in the first place, forcing her to tolerate the very thing that causes her anxiety is dangerous way to address reactivity.

 

[Suzzie]

i don't like rolling the dog on its back, but the side, yes. I've said before I advocate scruff muzzle floor and I stand by it regardless of the snide remarks.

however, that's not how i would deal with DA. I used it for HA and it worked well for me. I imagine, like people, different dogs respond to different methods. I'm glad clicker training worked for you. I've never gotten my dogs to really like the clicker, even with muffling, but they like the cue word "good" and my deaf dog responds to hand signals as long as she can see them.

 

[dr2little]

i don't like rolling the dog on its back, but the side, yes. I've said before I advocate scruff muzzle floor and I stand by it regardless of the snide remarks.

however, that's not how i would deal with DA. I used it for HA and it worked well for me. I imagine, like people, different dogs respond to different methods. I'm glad clicker training worked for you. I've never gotten my dogs to really like the clicker, even with muffling, but they like the cue word "good" and my deaf dog responds to hand signals as long as she can see them.

What is a scruff muzzle floor?

 

[Duke'sMommy]

funny cause putting my dog in a down while others sniff around is exactly what got her over her DA. a down position isn't exactly an alpha roll, but it is a submissive position. and did this woman say throw the dog down in an alpha roll or tell you to make him lay in his side?

The woman said to put him in an alpha roll. And this would magically cure him. But only with that specific dog. I would have to continue to do it with every dog he tries to attack.

Like Ive stated I work with him and clicker training. But I also muzzle him when socializing with new dogs as a precaution. Even if he seems okay. He has become friends with a bunch of dogs by being muzzled for the first few meetings and now is fine. With Duke the muzzle seems to calm him.

 

[lizzybeth727]

funny cause putting my dog in a down while others sniff around is exactly what got her over her DA. a down position isn't exactly an alpha roll, but it is a submissive position.

I could see where asking your dog to go into a "down" could possibly help with aggression... the dog is focusing on the task - laying down - and not focusing on the object of the fear. But I don't think I would use this as my first choice for fear-aggressive dogs, and I would only use it if the dog is very comfortable with down and will do it in any situation with any distractions. And I would certainly not force my dog into a down position while he is scared, so it is certainly not the same as an alpha roll.

 

[adojrts]

I gave myself a giggle today......thinking that many people who are so pro alpha rolling/side rolling........of what they would do with a horse that weighs 1200 lbs and it has a fear/reactive issue?? :rofl1:

 

[Kayla]

I gave myself a giggle today......thinking that many people who are so pro alpha rolling/side rolling........of what they would do with a horse that weighs 1200 lbs and it has a fear/reactive issue?? :rofl1:

Heh or a parrot, or well ya anything that isn't as tolerant as dogs