Fight at the dog park
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and what about the dog who never starts a fight but ends one? what about the dog who is running happily until the wrong dog snarks at him and then it's game on? because it can happen just like that, and you're not going to have time to read body language and act accordingly. just like in the original post- the pit bull didn't START the problem.
i don't want to see pit bulls banned from dog parks. i want to see pit bull owners be smart enough and respectful enough of their dogs to not take them.
i don't want to see pit bulls banned from dog parks. i want to see pit bull owners be smart enough and respectful enough of their dogs to not take them.
They would have to go do what all the pit bull people do 
I must say, I love Pit Bulls, but they are up there with Labs as one of the most common dogs at the dog park. I see many more Labs getting aggro than Pitties, but it's undeniable that the Pitties get more serious about it. I don't mind seeing them in a calmer dog park setting, and much more spread out, but at our dog parks dogs are crammed together and there are spats breaking out left and right. Pit Bulls often don't start the spats but are more than eager to join in, in my experience.
Clearly... ALL of them don't, or there wouldn't be a thread.
I must say, I love Pit Bulls, but they are up there with Labs as one of the most common dogs at the dog park. I see many more Labs getting aggro than Pitties, but it's undeniable that the Pitties get more serious about it. I don't mind seeing them in a calmer dog park setting, and much more spread out, but at our dog parks dogs are crammed together and there are spats breaking out left and right. Pit Bulls often don't start the spats but are more than eager to join in, in my experience.
I must say, I love Pit Bulls, but they are up there with Labs as one of the most common dogs at the dog park. I see many more Labs getting aggro than Pitties, but it's undeniable that the Pitties get more serious about it. I don't mind seeing them in a calmer dog park setting, and much more spread out, but at our dog parks dogs are crammed together and there are spats breaking out left and right. Pit Bulls often don't start the spats but are more than eager to join in, in my experience.
BUT the second that fight broke out, they were in it to win it, and that's where my issue lies.
My roommate was reading this thread, and he was saying how unfair it is that people are saying pits dont belong in dog parks. Well he and I used to work at petsmart doggy daycamp together. They werent allowed in there either. The BRATTY, starting fights all the time *insert well known and loved breed here* were allowed in, but the sweet loving pits weren't.
There are 2 extremes that I see. There is
1.OMG I love pits. Its unfair that the good ones dont get fair treatment when they wouldnt hurt a FLY
and there is
2. ALL pits are evil and should be PTS because you never know when they will *snap*
Once we all come to an agreement on #3. There are plenty of well bred loving pits, but unforunately they were originally bred to BE DA, so they dont belong in the same situations that all the labs and goldens belong in, we will finally be able to live peacefully.
Unforunately, that is easier said than done.
Clearly... ALL of them don't, or there wouldn't be a thread.
I must say, I love Pit Bulls, but they are up there with Labs as one of the most common dogs at the dog park. I see many more Labs getting aggro than Pitties, but it's undeniable that the Pitties get more serious about it. I don't mind seeing them in a calmer dog park setting, and much more spread out, but at our dog parks dogs are crammed together and there are spats breaking out left and right. Pit Bulls often don't start the spats but are more than eager to join in, in my experience.
I must say, I love Pit Bulls, but they are up there with Labs as one of the most common dogs at the dog park. I see many more Labs getting aggro than Pitties, but it's undeniable that the Pitties get more serious about it. I don't mind seeing them in a calmer dog park setting, and much more spread out, but at our dog parks dogs are crammed together and there are spats breaking out left and right. Pit Bulls often don't start the spats but are more than eager to join in, in my experience.
99% of the people on my PB forum don't go to dog parks......so my point was that there are plenty of different ways to exercise high energy dogs
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I guess fluffy didn't want to play anymore, so the ball is in your court. I would love to hear others' opinions on how to adequately exercise high energy dogs.
What else? lets see..... I will take Chance for runs but that doesn't tire him out enough, I take him in the backyard and play with the hose cuz he goes nuts and THAT tires him out quick. Mostly biking for him though, he LOVES to run.
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I gave up on playing, LOL. I really couldn't care less if someone goes to a dog park or not. I just pray that their dog is not the one that's killed one day. I know people who weren't so lucky.
As far as high energy dogs, there's plenty of ways to exercise them. Take them on bike rides, take them jogging, play fetch and frisbee in your yard... I mean, really, dog parks aren't everywhere. Yet plenty good owners with high energy dogs manage to exercise them.
I have Audubon, an english pointer/dalmation mix, who is energetic as can be. We play fetch and frisbee. Look at Denver in the Gen. Forum thread, the pit bull. He went swimming. Sam is beyond high energy, he runs around the yard at top speed for an hour or so playing.
There ARE ways to exercise dogs, dog parks aren't the end all be all of exercising a dog. So I don't get how suddenly, dog parks are the *only* way to exercise your high energy dog.
As far as high energy dogs, there's plenty of ways to exercise them. Take them on bike rides, take them jogging, play fetch and frisbee in your yard... I mean, really, dog parks aren't everywhere. Yet plenty good owners with high energy dogs manage to exercise them.
I have Audubon, an english pointer/dalmation mix, who is energetic as can be. We play fetch and frisbee. Look at Denver in the Gen. Forum thread, the pit bull. He went swimming. Sam is beyond high energy, he runs around the yard at top speed for an hour or so playing.
There ARE ways to exercise dogs, dog parks aren't the end all be all of exercising a dog. So I don't get how suddenly, dog parks are the *only* way to exercise your high energy dog.
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walking in neighborhood is not an option- too many loose dogs with owners that think it's just dandy. I can't risk taking them on a walk around here anymore- I just can't, especially when I'm by myself. I'd rather risk idiots at the dog park- I'm sure you'll agree that that is saying something. However, we no longer frequent the dog park either.
A two hour game of fetch in our backyard does nothing for Buddy. Not even a dent on his energy level. Yes, I know I'm blessed.
I an also assure you that Buddy runs much more than 1/2 mile everyday. Bring the hose out and Buddy huddles in a corner (he must remember those summer bathing adventures). So we don't have that option either.
Frisbee? Wants nothing to do with that.
So, we have three options: the beach, the trail on the cattle farm and dog parks. I prefer not to go to dog parks, but if those were taken away from people like me and others who don't even have trail or beach options- you take away time for a) bonding and b) exercising. I know not everyone is in a predicament such as myself, but there are people out there that need options that go beyond their backyard.
I know. Believe me, I know there are idiots out there. But they are everywhere. At beaches, dog parks, pet stores, roaming in neighborhoods.. next door...
I bet if I said I would not be opposed to the banning of bullies, there would be a huge uproar. Because we know it's not the breed, it's the idiots behind them. Just like it's not the dog park itself, it's the idiots that bring their ill-behaved dogs. I am all for better constructed dog parks, but I am not for banning them.
A two hour game of fetch in our backyard does nothing for Buddy. Not even a dent on his energy level. Yes, I know I'm blessed.
I an also assure you that Buddy runs much more than 1/2 mile everyday. Bring the hose out and Buddy huddles in a corner (he must remember those summer bathing adventures). So we don't have that option either.
Frisbee? Wants nothing to do with that.
So, we have three options: the beach, the trail on the cattle farm and dog parks. I prefer not to go to dog parks, but if those were taken away from people like me and others who don't even have trail or beach options- you take away time for a) bonding and b) exercising. I know not everyone is in a predicament such as myself, but there are people out there that need options that go beyond their backyard.
I know. Believe me, I know there are idiots out there. But they are everywhere. At beaches, dog parks, pet stores, roaming in neighborhoods.. next door...
I bet if I said I would not be opposed to the banning of bullies, there would be a huge uproar. Because we know it's not the breed, it's the idiots behind them. Just like it's not the dog park itself, it's the idiots that bring their ill-behaved dogs. I am all for better constructed dog parks, but I am not for banning them.
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Somehow, I really don't think you'll have to worry about dog parks being taken away. They're cropping up more and more by the day.
Well, I certainly wouldn't agree. But the difference is, the banning of bullies is a big threat to responsible bully owners like myself. Banning of dog parks, however, is not a concern. They're building them all over, not shutting them down.
Well, I certainly wouldn't agree. But the difference is, the banning of bullies is a big threat to responsible bully owners like myself. Banning of dog parks, however, is not a concern. They're building them all over, not shutting them down.
So it's OK to ban dog parks, but not OK to ban cropping/docking? I thought we were all about owners having the power of choice here?
I don't take Sally to the dog park--we find other things to do with her. Jack however, does get to go. It's not because I just am not creative enough to find other ways for him to exercise or just find it convenient. We take him because he *loves* it. He really enjoys interacting off leash with a variety of dogs, and he can't get that anywhere but the dog park. He can't go to daycare because he will run himself crippled if allowed to play for as long as they do there, and I don't have many "dog friends" with dogs that he can hang out with.
Is there a risk associated with it? Sure. However, there are risks associated with many things we do with are dogs. Dogs can get injured during agility, dock diving, hunting, trials of various kinds--even around the house or yard. Every single person on here who competes in "dog sports" allows their dog to participate in an activity where they could be injured. Of course, everything possible is done to minimize it, but it still could happen.
Do we just keep them in little doggy bubbles and not allow them to do anything then? Our scariest and closest near attack experience of all time was on a hiking trail, where both Sally, and the offending GSD were leashed. Should I not take the dogs hiking ever again?
I guess for me it is a risks vs. rewards decision. I have common sense about it--I know a couple of the dogs that are "trouble" dogs and avoid them. I won't go into the park if I think that there are too many really, really rough dogs (not because Jack wouldn't enjoy it, but because he could more easily overdo it). If there are obnoxious dogs giving us issues once we're in there we go somewhere else. The vast majority of the time though, we have a good time and Jack really enjoys himself.
While we're at it, why don't we just ban playgrounds too? I mean, lots of bad things can happen. Kids can get stung by bees, break a bone, hit their head, get in a fight with another kid, get kidnapped, etc.....
I don't take Sally to the dog park--we find other things to do with her. Jack however, does get to go. It's not because I just am not creative enough to find other ways for him to exercise or just find it convenient. We take him because he *loves* it. He really enjoys interacting off leash with a variety of dogs, and he can't get that anywhere but the dog park. He can't go to daycare because he will run himself crippled if allowed to play for as long as they do there, and I don't have many "dog friends" with dogs that he can hang out with.
Is there a risk associated with it? Sure. However, there are risks associated with many things we do with are dogs. Dogs can get injured during agility, dock diving, hunting, trials of various kinds--even around the house or yard. Every single person on here who competes in "dog sports" allows their dog to participate in an activity where they could be injured. Of course, everything possible is done to minimize it, but it still could happen.
Do we just keep them in little doggy bubbles and not allow them to do anything then? Our scariest and closest near attack experience of all time was on a hiking trail, where both Sally, and the offending GSD were leashed. Should I not take the dogs hiking ever again?
I guess for me it is a risks vs. rewards decision. I have common sense about it--I know a couple of the dogs that are "trouble" dogs and avoid them. I won't go into the park if I think that there are too many really, really rough dogs (not because Jack wouldn't enjoy it, but because he could more easily overdo it). If there are obnoxious dogs giving us issues once we're in there we go somewhere else. The vast majority of the time though, we have a good time and Jack really enjoys himself.
While we're at it, why don't we just ban playgrounds too? I mean, lots of bad things can happen. Kids can get stung by bees, break a bone, hit their head, get in a fight with another kid, get kidnapped, etc.....