Fight at the dog park

Who was wrong for having their dogs in the dog park?

  • The owner of the 4 small dogs for having small fragile dogs in the large dog park?

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • The owner of the pitbulls for having potentially DA dogs in the dog park?

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • Neither. Things happen.

    Votes: 5 31.3%

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#1
This situation has me a little confused.

Yesterday we took the beagles and my friends pound dogs to the dog park. There was probably 20-30 dogs there. A good mix. There was a guy there with 4 small dogs: a boston, and 3 other small dogs like it.

Those 4 dogs were being little brats the WHOLE time. They kept ganging up on all the bigger dogs. It didn't become an issue until they ganged up on 3 pitbulls. 2 belonged to one lady, and one belonged to a guy.

Needless to say, these pits did not appreciate it and a fight broke out. A BIG fight. 2 of the pits each had one of the bostons legs and were trashing their heads and pulling in opposite directions. All 4 of the little dogs were being attacked, and about 15 of the rest of the dogs that were at the park got involved. Including my friends dog and Kody was barking at all the commotion.

So I run up to my friends dog and take charge. "Grab the back legs!" I started yelling. Everyone was just hitting the big dogs with leashes and trying to grab the little dogs to get them out of there. They finally got all the small dogs out, and things calmed down. We all just held the dogs that were involved to let them cool down, and the guy left with his small dogs. The boston ended up having a messed up leg from it, but Im pretty sure that was all the damage done.

Now the pit owner said, "THATS why you dont bring small fragile dogs into the large dog park!" I replied, "Just be careful because a lot of people will blame your dogs because they are pits over a boston." She agreed and then the dogs started playing again.

Well a little later on, another boston, a different one comes in, and the pits go nuts. Just the lady's pits, not the guys pit. She grabs a branch off a tree and smacks her dogs with it and says "STOP IT!" The dogs cower in fear, and before long, she leaves.

Im inclined to say yeah the 4 small dogs instigated the problem, but its hard when you bring a pit into a dog park with tons of dogs and expect your dog who was BRED to be DA to like every dog. If that was 2 bostons fighting it wouldnt have escalated to the level it did. It just bothered me when she started hitting them too.

I bring bailey into the big dog park because small dogs annoy her. YET she would never attack one. Yes those 4 dogs were being brats the whole time but they were doing it for a good 45 minutes BEFORE the pits reacted the way they did. My point was that the labs and the aussies, and the dalmations didnt fight back, only the pits did.

So.... who was wrong?

The owner of the 4 small dogs for having 4 small, bratty dogs that could easily get hurt in the big dog park?

Or the pitbull owners for bringing potentially DA dogs into a social enviroment?
 
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My answer is both but that's not an option...
this.

You have to be very flexible in a dog park... if there is a dog that is starting trouble, I leave... I KNOW my dogs wont do anything BUT I will not risk them being in the middle of something either.

Too many people go to the dog park and then want to prove a point... their dog is not the one causing trouble, so they will stay.

From the sounds of the fight... although it may not have come across exactly correct... those pitbulls were far too agressive to be in a dog park to begin with. The other dogs sound like they were no socialized correctly to be in a dog park.
 

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THe problem is the owner. He should have been asked to leave by everyone as soon as his dogs showed they were a problem. IF he didn't go then the others should have. I am a firm believer in preventative action. Sawyer and VIctor tried to do that once on the beach, i could tell they were cooking up a bad idea and beginning to chase one dog in particular that looked like he wasn't liking it all that much. Zoom and I curtailed our bad boys and timed them out for a few. THat was all it took and life was back to being good.
 

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Wow, that's a crummy situation.

Bostons are a terrier, and a bully too at that so keep that in mind.

The owner of the bostons I would say is largely at fault, because he was letting his small dogs run around and provoke the large dogs. Pits are not the only dogs, much less breed, out there with the potential to be DA or DR. At the Tucson dog park there was similar situation where 8 or 9 dogs were playing just fine, including two pits, when some smaller obnoxious dogs came in and started harassing others. It was finally a shorthaired pointer that snapped and started fighting them. That guy was seriously setting his dogs up for failure.

That being said, that pit owner really probably shouldn't have had her dogs in a park with 30ish other dogs. If different dogs had started to fight, what is the likelihood her dogs would have just stood by and ignored it?

Small dogs just don't belong in the big dog section though. Especially when it's crowded. What if a very prey driven malamute/greyhound/borzoi/mutt/anything had seen them running around and went "oooh! a crunchy rabbit to chase and eat!"
 
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this.

You have to be very flexible in a dog park... if there is a dog that is starting trouble, I leave... I KNOW my dogs wont do anything BUT I will not risk them being in the middle of something either.

Too many people go to the dog park and then want to prove a point... their dog is not the one causing trouble, so they will stay.

From the sounds of the fight... although it may not have come across exactly correct... those pitbulls were far too agressive to be in a dog park to begin with. The other dogs sound like they were no socialized correctly to be in a dog park.
Yeah that makes sense. Thats why I couldnt figure out who was to blame. they both were. But the pit owner kept defending her dogs. "If those dogs werent so small and bratty than he wouldn't have reacted the way he did!"
 
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Small dogs just don't belong in the big dog section though. Especially when it's crowded. What if a very prey driven malamute/greyhound/borzoi/mutt/anything had seen them running around and went "oooh! a crunchy rabbit to chase and eat!"
See I bring Bailey in and she is 20 pounds. I think I am okay with her because she stays right by me and if any large dog started with her I would grab her and toss her (not literally) over the fence into the small dog park.

Legally, its not a lareg dog and small dog park. Its one big dog park, with a smaller fenced off area for toy dogs. My beagles need to run, they need exercise and the small area just doesnt cut it. My backyard is bigger than the small dog area lol. If bailey was causing problems I would just stand around and watch either.
 
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I lean to the small dog owner...but it is really how alot of the small dog owners are...NOT ALL...SO REMEMBER I SAID ALOT NOT ALL..

They think just because their dogs are small they should be allowed to run around with no manners....which just leads to tons of trouble. My loki is super well socialized and also tolerant, but every dog has a point, and should they have to be pushed ....NO...

Now does that mean the pitties arent to blame...no..but i try not to blame the pits first and see what the other dogs were doing also. So yeah....

I say both but lean a little more heavy on the small dog owner side!

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Yeah that makes sense. Thats why I couldnt figure out who was to blame. they both were. But the pit owner kept defending her dogs. "If those dogs werent so small and bratty than he wouldn't have reacted the way he did!"
Yea, I mean you will get totally different opinions on this... I dont think a dog who has it in them to almost rip off another dogs leg should be in a dog park. People will say any dog can be pushed to that point, but I dont believe that... and as the owner you have to know your dog has this in them, so why would you remain in a situation where this could happen?
 
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Yea, I mean you will get totally different opinions on this... I dont think a dog who has it in them to almost rip off another dogs leg should be in a dog park. People will say any dog can be pushed to that point, but I dont believe that... and as the owner you have to know your dog has this in them, so why would you remain in a situation where this could happen?
True. I guess we can all agree that it is up to each individual owner to make sure THEIR dog belongs there. Unforunately, not all owners do this.
 
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Both.

Another reason that I would never take one of my dogs to a dog park. Too many stupid people to ruin it for the wonderful folk just trying to let their furkids have a little fun.
 

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AH well....doc if you could only come to ours. Its so dang big there is room for everyone. I am most looking forward to getting my crew loaded up and to the Shawnee park this afternoon if it doest rain. 55 acres and a lake is the perfect size.
 

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Yea, I mean you will get totally different opinions on this... I dont think a dog who has it in them to almost rip off another dogs leg should be in a dog park. People will say any dog can be pushed to that point, but I dont believe that... and as the owner you have to know your dog has this in them, so why would you remain in a situation where this could happen?
Does that mean no sighthound owners should ever bring their dogs to the dog park because they could see and kill a small dog?

Honestly, I thought the OP was going to say that the boston had been killed, the way they were describing the tugging and pulling of the small dog's bodies. I was VERY surprised that there was only one leg injury in all of the fray.

Though I do agree that you need to know your own dogs, and it's very disappointing that the pits owner didn't step up and protect them from their instincts when she could see that someone else's dogs were going to be a problem.

4dogs, I see 20 lbs as being borderline. To me it would be up to the owners discretion as far as what other dogs were in the big dog area, and how the smaller dog behaved. If your beagle ran around antagonizing dogs much larger than her then that would be a problem, but she doesn't. :)
 

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I lean towards the owner of small dogs, too. I agree that if my dog had been there, I would have kept him clear of those little dogs or removed him from the park completely, and the pittie owners should have done that. Either group could have, and should have, avoided this situation.

I see little dogs doing this all of the time in dog parks, too -- being rude and snappy and seemingly trying to start something. Obviously this can happen with larger dogs, too, but generally speaking, in my experience large dog owners remove their dogs more quickly. I always worry about the little dogs who seem to have something to prove. And they do seem to pick the "wrong" dogs to start it with.

I keep Bailey away from cranky dogs or leave the DP. He doesn't like to get involved in that stuff anyway, honestly.

I haven't seen a fight (yet) and hope to keep it that way.
 
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Honestly, boston terriers as a breed tend to be very exuberant and obnoxious players. It's usually best if they only play with dogs with a similar play style. The owner should have known this and taken his dogs out of the park when he noticed his dogs causing problems with others. It's really not a chance a responsible dog owner should take. They are small dogs that can be fairly easily hurt. Joey isn't obnoxious at the dp but he sure is at home and I know some dogs wouldn't have the patience for it. I think I may just have to stick to bostons if I get another dog. :)
 

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Honestly, boston terriers as a breed tend to be very exuberant and obnoxious players. It's usually best if they only play with dogs with a similar play style. The owner should have known this and taken his dogs out of the park when he noticed his dogs causing problems with others. It's really not a chance a responsible dog owner should take. They are small dogs that can be fairly easily hurt. Joey isn't obnoxious at the dp but he sure is at home and I know some dogs wouldn't have the patience for it. I think I may just have to stick to bostons if I get another dog. :)
There is a boston girl at a DP we go to and she is so cute!! She is super playful, and pretty physical, with the other dogs. She doesn't start any trouble, but she's a tough little girl (she tends to "hang out" with the big dogs). Bailey thinks she's great. :)

If I got a small dog it would be a boston.
 
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I blame the owners of the small dogs.

My dogs aren't DA, but if a dog (or in this case, FOUR dogs) sit there and pick and aggrivate them, they are going to snap.
 
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AH well....doc if you could only come to ours. Its so dang big there is room for everyone. I am most looking forward to getting my crew loaded up and to the Shawnee park this afternoon if it doest rain. 55 acres and a lake is the perfect size.
You're very lucky smkie AND you're one of the owners that I would gravite towards at the park. You control your dogs behavior and understand the potential for problems.
I used to take Sophie but she was attacked so many times, it just wasn't worth the risk.

I really do wish that my experience was better...

I'd LOVE to meet you at Shawnee park smkie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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