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Red, to be honest it doesnt really matter if the dog is "documented". If the dog can work thats all that matters. Many dogs from loaded pedigrees are not good working dogs. It comes down to the INDIVIDUAL dog. Vom, you will have to wait until the pups grow up a little and their real personalities come out. But dont feel bad if they dont make the cut 90%+ dont make it either. You should test out their tracking skills. SAR or even narcotic work. Also, keep your options open, wouldnt it be nice if one pup turned out to be an incredible service dog?! Or you can send one over to me 
I don't agree - local police and OPP
have purchased (cash), and used 18 mos. old SPCA dogs.
Dogs are health tested; hips,health,heart, etc. and $2000 cash paid. Some are wash outs; some are not; they don't really care; just want workers; dogs with ball drive.
2 OPP dogs come from one of the bigger GSD puppy mills in the area; she has over 100 puppies in a year; don't tell me she's not washing out some dogs.
Bloodlines aren't everything; performance and health are the main thing when it comes to NRP and OPP departments.
Vom; don't give up; but if you think the police in your area are interested; you will have to at least raise the pups until they are old enough to pass the health tests.
have purchased (cash), and used 18 mos. old SPCA dogs.
Dogs are health tested; hips,health,heart, etc. and $2000 cash paid. Some are wash outs; some are not; they don't really care; just want workers; dogs with ball drive.
2 OPP dogs come from one of the bigger GSD puppy mills in the area; she has over 100 puppies in a year; don't tell me she's not washing out some dogs.
Bloodlines aren't everything; performance and health are the main thing when it comes to NRP and OPP departments.
Vom; don't give up; but if you think the police in your area are interested; you will have to at least raise the pups until they are old enough to pass the health tests.
LOL just going by what they told us in their demo. They said the importation fees and such ran over 1000, so that adds to it too. They were going on about how much it cost 'and then they had to train it'
I assumed they knew some things (like a seeing eye dog does when it goes into training) and weren't sitting in a kennel their whole lives up until they got shipped off.
I know for SAR dogs and sniffer dogs they will take rescues etc as the dog doesn't need to be too specific compared to an actual police dog. A police dog has to have very high drive to work but also be controllable and safe. Thats a pretty tall order and takes lots of training. Most K9 police type people I have talked to said they want to go with proven lines as it takes so much effort/time/money to train a dog that they want to ensure the dog has the best chance possible of succeeding.
I assumed they knew some things (like a seeing eye dog does when it goes into training) and weren't sitting in a kennel their whole lives up until they got shipped off.
I know for SAR dogs and sniffer dogs they will take rescues etc as the dog doesn't need to be too specific compared to an actual police dog. A police dog has to have very high drive to work but also be controllable and safe. Thats a pretty tall order and takes lots of training. Most K9 police type people I have talked to said they want to go with proven lines as it takes so much effort/time/money to train a dog that they want to ensure the dog has the best chance possible of succeeding.
This is true. Willow came from the pound, but she was about 9 weeks old and we had plenty of time to build up her SAR drives and socialize her. She has turned out to be a great SAR dog (purebred looking GSD, BTW). Our only complaint is that she grew way too large, 110 lbs, so she doesn't have the kind of stamina should would have if she was in standard.
Honestly, I think Vom shouldn't have too much trouble finding a working niche for his dogs. Especially if he gets Ty and Annie's health tests up to date.
Honestly, I think Vom shouldn't have too much trouble finding a working niche for his dogs. Especially if he gets Ty and Annie's health tests up to date.
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Ty and I had fun at the club meet last night. They have a show coming up and they let me practice with them, and Ty did very well on a practice novice course for the CD. I'm well aware that it doesn't count, he has to get qualifying scores under three different judges, I just thought it was a hell of a start. The whole night was very fun, it was nice being around people who didn't discriminate against my vicious GSD's. Yay for AKC stuff.
If you're actually completely serious, send me a PM.
Or you can send one over to me
It's not import fees as much as the actual transportation costs. My friend got a nice working line female from Europe, the pup itself was only about 800 bucks but the transportation was over a grand.
Even going with proven lines isn't always perfect. One guy I know who is a K9 officer in the corrections dept has a top of the line Czech import dog they paid a few thousand dollars for. He's only 4 and they had to retire him already for bad hips. All he did was patrol the fence perimeter- basically, he went for walks 8 hrs a day, and he only lasted a little over 2 years. It's aways a crap shoot, but if you buy from the same sources who have provided reliable and healthy dogs in the past, that's who you'll go to.
Even going with proven lines isn't always perfect. One guy I know who is a K9 officer in the corrections dept has a top of the line Czech import dog they paid a few thousand dollars for. He's only 4 and they had to retire him already for bad hips. All he did was patrol the fence perimeter- basically, he went for walks 8 hrs a day, and he only lasted a little over 2 years. It's aways a crap shoot, but if you buy from the same sources who have provided reliable and healthy dogs in the past, that's who you'll go to.
I know 2 guys with retired dogs, the force lets them keep the dogs. The dogs have spent years with the handler and live with them, to take them away and send them somewhere else to live would be unjust. Those dogs gave their lives for the police dept, they owe them a nice place to live out their retirement.
I'm not sure what happens to washouts- my guess would be if you are spending lots of money on a dog and it can't pass certification, you have some recourse with the broker or breeder who supplied it.
I'm not sure what happens to washouts- my guess would be if you are spending lots of money on a dog and it can't pass certification, you have some recourse with the broker or breeder who supplied it.
Recourse is going to be, I imagine, mostly on the goodwill of the breeder or broker. (Of course, anyone decent will stand behind their dogs.) With assistance dogs, washouts usually get placed as pets, with puppyraisers if they're through a program or people who apply specifically to adopt washouts for SD work.
Agree about it being the transportation though- I'm going to be spending about $2500 to import a 'free' boy from Australia for my spitz breeding program- that's ALL for his transportation costs.
Agree about it being the transportation though- I'm going to be spending about $2500 to import a 'free' boy from Australia for my spitz breeding program- that's ALL for his transportation costs.
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Very true.
Sorry Borzoimom, but in the U.S. at least we don't have "secret police". Anyone can find out a cop's name from a badge number or even the car number a particular officer was driving at a specified time ... by just asking at police headquarters. Name, rank, years of service, and even salary are all public information. Nobody would need to dig with a dog's registration info to find out about a police officer.
Sorry Borzoimom, but in the U.S. at least we don't have "secret police". Anyone can find out a cop's name from a badge number or even the car number a particular officer was driving at a specified time ... by just asking at police headquarters. Name, rank, years of service, and even salary are all public information. Nobody would need to dig with a dog's registration info to find out about a police officer.
Here guide dogs for the visually impaired along with near any reputable assistance dog school have hugely long waiting lists for wash outs. Lot of handlers keep their retired dog after it served them for years, but the wash outs get placed quickly. I know people who have applied and been told the wait list is so long it's a good few years before they might have a dog. I assume the high demand is due to the socializing and training most get before they wash out.
The reason some dogs aren't registered has nothing to do with finding out a persons address. It's either a dog from unregistered parents, Mal's and Dutchies and sometimes GSD that for structural reasons are not registered as they will never be used for breeding, ie, monorchid, missing some dentition, floppy ear, etc (dual purpose or patrol dog) or in the case of narcotic or bomb dogs, they are often times dogs from all over, shelters included and they wouldn't be registered either.
But either way, LEO's usually are not the owner of the dog until it is retired, the Department is the owner, and who doesn't know how to find out where the PD is???
But either way, LEO's usually are not the owner of the dog until it is retired, the Department is the owner, and who doesn't know how to find out where the PD is???