Daycare in high schools

[SarahFair]

if kids get no help, end up failing school and being on the dole, what do you think happens to THEIR kids.

EXACTLY!
These babies are going to grow up thinking 'Well mom and dad dropped out so that means its ok for me to too..'
but if the parents do get through it the could be thinking
'Well mom and dad had it tough and toughed it out, I guess thats just how life is...'

I will say both my kids are on government insurance. Thank you all the tax payers. I COULD NOT do it with out yall. You dont understand how much it helps. Yes, we pay into the system with our taxes and once they come off the insurance I will still be more than happy that my tax money is going to make sure babies stay safe and healthy! I dont abuse the system though. Im not on WIC or anything (and if you are thats so fine) I can afford to not be on it. I look at the 35+ year old people though at local welfare office driving up in NICE cars and go in there to get their food stamps. THEY are the people that get me upset and abuse the system.

If these girls dont have anyone to watch their kids they are going to be forced to hand their kids over to the cheapest at home day care they can find and that means they could be handing their kids over to a child molester or abuser..
Thats the last thing anyone needs.

If you dont want extra taxes we need to start demanding change. We need to stop having so much sex everywhere! On TV on the Radio on Ads....Its EVERYWHERE!
We need to quit handing out clean needles to druggies and have them arrested instead of putting them right back out there on the streets to keep the drug market rising.

Teaching these kids to use condoms hasnt worked, obviously. So we need to change that. Im not saying we dont need to teach them this but we need to go a step further. I am proabortion and all but when I got prego my dad pushed me to have one but I couldnt. When it was to late for an abortion my dad pushed for adoption but I couldnt. If you did, fine thats your choice..But ME I couldnt.

I dont think its fair that you sit here and say you MUST give up your baby cause youre going to have to live off some kind of tax money. That is just NOT fair..

My dad was always the one to be pissed off that he had to pay into all this but when I had my babies he always tells me he LOVES the fact that he knows his money is finally going to someone who needs it.
Maybe you should take a step back and look at the ones you love. Are they on any kind of government help? Could you go up to them and ask them to please give their baby up for adoption cause you dont want to put your tax money towards it? If there is no one you know or love there will be one day and it will be worth it..

 

[drmom777]

Ok, I disagree about the clean needles. They prevent disease, and thus could be seen as a cost saving measure since HIV and hepatitis B cost the taxpayers a fortune to treat. people don't inject drugs because they have a clean needle, they just don't use the dirty needle they would have otherwise.

 

[Dizzy]

These things DO work.

What we need to do is copycat countries in europe who have low teen preg rates.

What you will find is that sex is part of family life (not in THAT way ) and they're open about it and honest.

They are taught sex ed from primary school age. (4 - 11).

I believe we should start letting kids know how we get pregnant from as young as possib;le.

Sex is a part of life. It got us ALL here. Why are we so ashamed of it?

 

[Dizzy]

Ok, I disagree about the clean needles. They prevent disease, and thus could be seen as a cost saving measure since HIV and hepatitis B cost the taxpayers a fortune to treat. people don't inject drugs because they have a clean needle, they just don't use the dirty needle they would have otherwise.

I decided to ignore that bit

 

[Jules]

The parents should not drop out... helping to a part is different than just giving child care... like BP said, even minimal fees would be okay with me... the thought of just giving it for free is what irks me.

We don't need to cut out sex more... it should be a healthy part of life and not something that needs to be talked about behind people's back. Thinking of the outrage that nipple caused during the halftime show.... Geez! Look at European countries... People are much more open about sex, it is a normal part of life... THAT's what need to be implemented.

Like I said before.... did anyone ever think of doubling up on BC? The chances of getting pregnant while using the pill right AND maybe using a condom are so very, very slim. And it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Nobody said you should give up your baby... but how is it fair that I pay for other people choices? It seems like that is all I am doing wherever I look. If you're old enough to have a baby, you're old enough to take care for it. Nobody says you can't take your child with you and clean some houses, for example? I bet there are tons of people who would like to help out... heck, I would. But I want to see someone work for what they want.

 

[SarahFair]

Why are we so ashamed of it?

I think alot of people are for what reason IDK.
I think people are afraid their kid is going to go around screaming penis boobies and sex..
Atleast they know. I havent showed Beau the 'secret' body parts yet...Well I mean he knows he has a 'winky' but other than that....
I think it should come at a right age...4-6 years.

The 11 year old Im watching now always asked me while I was prego where do babies come from..
I feel like if her parents havent told her yet I shouldnt because I dont want them to get upset...
I mean 11 and not knowing??
I dont remember when I found out but I mean...I wasnt raised under a rock.

 

[SarahFair]

We don't need to cut out sex more

Im not saying this but we shouldnt put it on every shoe, drink, and food ad out there..

But I want to see someone work for what they want.

I agree

 

[Nechochwen]

I'm pretty much with GO on this one. I absolutely do NOT want to give these kids free childcare, and especially at the school. They should have to pay something for it, and it should be somewhere else. Having it free and in the school tells kids that there aren't any real consequences to their actions.

I also don't want to have to foot the bill because some girl got knocked up and decided to keep it. Lets explore all the ways they could have avoided this situation of having a kid:

Not had sex
Used protection
Morning After Pill
First trimester abortion
Given it up for adoption

I see absolutely no reason for taxpayers to foot the bill for childcare for a teenage kid's kid. Even rape victims have the last two, if not three options I have.

You might say "My personal convictions don't allow me to have an abortion or give my child up for adoption".
And then I might say "My person convictions don't allow me to pay for your personal convictions."

 

[zoe08]

My mom got pregnant when she was in high school. She dropped out and got her GED in night classes and worked for a while for the county with my dad. But then she was a stay at home mom for all of my life, born 11 years after my sister. I am not sure when she stopped working, if it was right after my sister was born or not.

But the only government help I received was grants for college. And my dad doesn't make that much money, and he doesn't really make any more now than he did 10 years ago. Any raise he gets, ends up going to insurance cuz that goes up too.

But they budget their money. They never went out and bought a new car and then told me I couldn't go out to lunch at dairy queen with my friends because we couldn't afford it(many friends parents did). And they were not in debt! No credit card debt! The only thing was mortgage but that has been paid off for a long time now.

They took personal responsibility. And they took care of US first and foremost. My sister got a new car when she graduated high school. She paid down payment and my parents made the payments ( I didn't because I chose not to). My parents only new vehicle ever was when they bought a truck in 1983. And they barely sold it a couple years ago. They bought a bonneville many years ago for 1,000 dollars. Drove it for 10 years or more. Then they went and actually bought a nice bonneville though still used. It was the first time for them to buy a nice vehicle since the 83 truck. This was after I was in college.

So maybe someone should explain to all these people who have kids and can't pay for them that they can buy a cheap car, even if its not pretty. They find jobs that give insurance benefits, even if it is not high paying. They can not use credit cards to go out and buy all the designer cloths they want, because they have to look good even if they are carrying around a basketball under their shirts. The kids don't HAVE to have every new toy on the face of the planet. They need to learn to budget money and priorities. So maybe ALL teenagers should HAVE to take a class that would teach those things. Not here take a crying baby doll home for ONE night. Give them and entire year of having to go to stores, give them a budget, let them all figure out for themselves exactly how much it costs to raise a child and take care of a family. How much it costs to buy a house, car, etc.

Try to work on some preventative measures instead of handing them what they want.

If they won't take personal responsibility for their children when they have them in high school, then when will they start? College? After college? Never?

And I see way too many people with hand outs, that are content to just keep popping out children to get more gov't money with no concern of ever getting off. Give them day care some will probably have 2 or 3 kids in there.

Help from family is important. Not just financial but emotionally and stuff too. I still get help from my parents. Families should not abandon their children because of a mistake. I don't see anything wrong with the family babysitting the babies while the kids finished school. But that's what families are for, not the gov't or every other person in the country.

If the kids have to spend time working in the daycare to help pay for it, when are they going to go to math? history? English? science? Schools should not have to arrange schedules just for teen parents.

 

[Nechochwen]

Also, one method that I forgot to mention that they can always use, no matter the trimester, is the time honored, 100% effective method of ending a pregnancy: Falcon Punch!

Even the hero of Hyrule knows its effectiveness.

 

[SarahFair]

I agree with you Zoe in most and I dont think it needs to be free.
making them pay something like $50 a week would help teach them IMO.
You are going to pay for these babies any way it goes. Why not help by getting the mother through high school??

If the kids have to spend time working in the daycare to help pay for it, when are they going to go to math? history? English? science? Schools should not have to arrange schedules just for teen parents.

No I dont think they should be taken out of math or any core classes but instead take away an art, computer, cooking, fashion marketing, and such things like that.

and I just think its funny how the guys are just like Abort the baby...put it up for adoption..
I dont care...i just dont want to pay for it.

 

[Nechochwen]

Maybe it's just me, but computer class should be a core class by now... it's one of those things you NEED to be able to do in order to survive in the world now.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Do high schools not offer child development or home ec classes these days? Those classes would be the best type of situation for a day care.. for students to learn hands-on and it wouldn't have to pull mommy's and daddy's out of class, as it could be one of their electives.. or two of their electives...

Nobody said you should give up your baby... but how is it fair that I pay for other people choices? It seems like that is all I am doing wherever I look. If you're old enough to have a baby, you're old enough to take care for it. Nobody says you can't take your child with you and clean some houses, for example? I bet there are tons of people who would like to help out... heck, I would. But I want to see someone work for what they want.

Agreed! And Zoe had some good points as well.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

Ok, so we quit giving these kids free day care, because you dont want to pay for it. So then these KIDS have babies who have adolescent parents that dont have an education. And you know what? Those kids who cant finish high school will probably go to wellfair. At least with giving them day care they can atleast get a chance to get on their feet and do something with their lives.

These poor babies being brought into this world like this. Yes, there are people who mooch off the system, but what about all the ones that actually had their BC fail them, the ones that were rapped, the ones that were pressured to have sex by a boy at the age of 14? And then what about those babies not having the best start at life? I wouldn't mind helping out those kids and those BABIES, but thats just me.

You make your bed... you lie in it, but we are talking about babies having babies here. I can easily see how a 13-16 year old could be pressured into sex. It only takes once to get pregnant and mistakes happen.

:hail::hail::hail: I agree 110%

Do high schools not offer child development or home ec classes these days? Those classes would be the best type of situation for a day care.. for students to learn hands-on and it wouldn't have to pull mommy's and daddy's out of class, as it could be one of their electives.. or two of their electives...

I went to three different high schools. Not one offered Home ec or child care/development classes. Sad huh?

These babies are going to grow up thinking 'Well mom and dad dropped out so that means its ok for me to too..'

I do not buy or agree with this statement at all. My dad dropped out of high school. Never did I look back and think if he did it then I would too. Granted I didn't graduate but it wasent from a lack of trying. And I will have my high school diploma in two weeks.

My sister who dropped out because the school treated her like crap. Many teachers refused to let her leave class when she had morning sickness. And the principle threatened to suspend her due to so many missed days due to illness and doctors appointments when pregnant. My sister was an A student but the school made it impossible for her to raise her son and go to school.

Anyways she has made it clear to her boys that dropping out is NOT okay. Though they are just 8 and 5 their mom has had many conversations with them about the importance of school.

It made me so mad when she went through her divorce a year ago. Her husband had the balls to say that he should have custody...Why? Why should abusive, neglectful guy get custody? Because my sister dropped out of high school while pregnant and if she raised the boys they would drop out too .

 

[Buddy'sParents]

I went to three different high schools. Not one offered Home ec or child care/development classes. Sad huh?

That's not sad, that's downright depressing.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

That's not sad, that's downright depressing.

I know it is. I would have loved to take either class if it would have been available.

 

[release the hounds]

and I just think its funny how the guys are just like Abort the baby...put it up for adoption..
I dont care...i just dont want to pay for it.

That's a bunch of BS. Never said that at all.

There are other choices, but nobody ever said they couldn't finish school.

I hate to break it to you guys, but having a baby causes a change of lifestyle at ANY AGE. So having a baby might mean they can't go to school all day, so it might mean they have to go to high school longer. So it might mean they have to get a job, and take GED classes for the next few years. Nobody said it was going to be easy. You make choices, those choices have consequences. We all face that.

If they want daycare so they can finish school??? PAY FOR IT. If they can't, get a job and get your GED. Having a baby isn't doom, it requires work. Those who don't sit and make excuses will rise up, those who think everyone else should pay for their mistakes will sink to the bottom, because they don't think anything is their responsibility.

 

[SarahFair]

If they want daycare so they can finish school??? PAY FOR IT.

Do you really know how much daycare costs?????

The younger the child the more it is.
Its about 200-300+ a week.
A non high school grad on min wage working full time could NEVER afford this along with the other costs.
Im not saying it should be free but alot of yall sound like youre saying
'Ah, we dont care about what happens to future america...KICK THEM OUT ON THEIR A**ES!!! They are the dumb ones who couldnt keep their legs closed!'

Well exuse me. I hope everyone of yall who are saying something to the effect of this all waited till you were married to have sex. Things happen. Thats reality.
and I hope your kids dont end up prego in highschool!

BUT then again its just your opinion..

 

[Juicy]

Wow I manged to get through high school without getting preggers, but when I'm responsible and go through high school & college and THEN have a kid, I have to pay for daycare? *Grumbles* But had I got knocked up the service would be free?

I mean even say I would of gotten preggers, because say the condom broke I would pay for daycare, and say I couldn't have time for school.....education is not something that you have to do through the ages 5-18, you can do it later on in life. You can finish your education. Maybe its because they miss prom and stuff that they wish to stay in school then and not finish it later?

This is coming from a girl's perspective.........one who DID NOT make wise choices in high school, but I would of stepped up to the plate for my own foolishness. I'm not talking about the girls that get raped, I mean the ones who get knocked up, because they got knocked up.

I mean even though sex education did not stop me from having sex, I did get the whole ''consequence'' concept. I can't blame 'the system' if had I caught something or got pregnant and put MY CONSEQUENCE on the hands of taxpayers. That's very selfish IMO. But I guess not everyone sees it that way. :shrugs:

 

[SarahFair]

And yall keep stating 'Make the the bed you lie in' Well I think Americas doing just that. We are promopting teen sex all over the place..
When this stops (and other things) then I think you can bitch about teen pregnancy.