Daycare in high schools
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Very much agreed here.
I can't believe so many are just okay with some sort of system that taxpayers would foot the bill for so that someone who was irresponsible can have the consequence of their irresponsibly taken care of by others. There is enough abuse in enough systems already, as a taxpayer, I already pay for enough kids that are NOT my own.
I can't believe so many are just okay with some sort of system that taxpayers would foot the bill for so that someone who was irresponsible can have the consequence of their irresponsibly taken care of by others. There is enough abuse in enough systems already, as a taxpayer, I already pay for enough kids that are NOT my own.
I am NOT okay with it being for free. If you look at what the tax payers have to shell out for teenage pregnancies... I am actually dizzy. They should work for it in some sort and not just opening up hands and receiving. Well, yes being a teenage mom is tough and you'll have to work harder to earn what is easier for others- but others didn't make the choice to sleep around uneducated and unprotected.
I don't think that celibacy before marriage is the solution... well, you can clearly see that preaching that is not the solution. You can have safe sex... double up on BC... and the chances of someone actually getting pregnant while doubling up on birth control are so slim.
I don't think that celibacy before marriage is the solution... well, you can clearly see that preaching that is not the solution. You can have safe sex... double up on BC... and the chances of someone actually getting pregnant while doubling up on birth control are so slim.
Wow harsh........ I was a teen Mom/Wife and Mother, we had an AMAZING network of family and friends and my HUbby was a year from graduating his trade so we were able to make it with no government help..... My biggest regret however is that I did not get to finish HS ( Went back later when the kids were in school themselves and got my Grade 12, and then went to College )
I suppose I can see where everyone is coming from about "Not from my Taxes... " however what about all the assistance out there for drug addicts to get "clean needles" and programs for the most silly things you can imagine I would love to see some of that stuff cut off and give these girls a leg up so their futures are a bit brighter..... We do it for many other reasons.....
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I find it hard to believe how many people are so willing to condemn someone for a bad decision, could even have happened only once, and tell them basically, "you made your bed, now lie in it." i can't imagine having successfully raised a child all by myself when i was 14 or 15, but I can imagine a guy, especially an older one, convincing me to have sex without protection at that age. I can imagine this event encompassing ten or fifteen minutes of my life, and condemning me to hopelessness for the rest of it.
Well I had a friend in high school who lost her virginity do to rape but still decided to have the baby and raise it. So its not always the girls choice. Though its really very few pregnant by rape keep the baby. Just wanted to make it clear its not just "loose girls" who get pregnant and have babies.
My question is where does it end?
We've established that the abstinence preaching doesn't work. That's what got us here in the first place by not teaching options they have. Not the only thing, but contribute? Yes.
So we fund all their by-blows so they can get an education. Ok fine, I guess. But by introducing day cares into the high school it is giving an air of approval to teenage pregnancies.
So we fund those. But then what do we use to prevent it from happening in the first place? Where does the funding for that come from? We just gave it to the day cares. At what point do they have to account for their own mistake? It's a huge mistake with extending impacts, but still, it is their's, not mine. Yet I'm paying for it.
I would prefer to just teach them to use the pill and their partner the condom. That reduces the chances drastically. But instead I have to pay for this kid not just for his day care, but for the rest of his life until he's 18 (and probably beyond that because a portion just stay on welfare. Why work when you've gotten stuff free all your life thus far?) because that single mom is never going to make enough to get herself through college while supporting a kid. And unless she marries, she'll be on my dime for quite some time.
We've established that the abstinence preaching doesn't work. That's what got us here in the first place by not teaching options they have. Not the only thing, but contribute? Yes.
So we fund all their by-blows so they can get an education. Ok fine, I guess. But by introducing day cares into the high school it is giving an air of approval to teenage pregnancies.
So we fund those. But then what do we use to prevent it from happening in the first place? Where does the funding for that come from? We just gave it to the day cares. At what point do they have to account for their own mistake? It's a huge mistake with extending impacts, but still, it is their's, not mine. Yet I'm paying for it.
I would prefer to just teach them to use the pill and their partner the condom. That reduces the chances drastically. But instead I have to pay for this kid not just for his day care, but for the rest of his life until he's 18 (and probably beyond that because a portion just stay on welfare. Why work when you've gotten stuff free all your life thus far?) because that single mom is never going to make enough to get herself through college while supporting a kid. And unless she marries, she'll be on my dime for quite some time.
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Ok, so we quit giving these kids free day care, because you dont want to pay for it. So then these KIDS have babies who have adolescent parents that dont have an education. And you know what? Those kids who cant finish high school will probably go to wellfair. At least with giving them day care they can atleast get a chance to get on their feet and do something with their lives.
These poor babies being brought into this world like this. Yes, there are people who mooch off the system, but what about all the ones that actually had their BC fail them, the ones that were rapped, the ones that were pressured to have sex by a boy at the age of 14? And then what about those babies not having the best start at life? I wouldn't mind helping out those kids and those BABIES, but thats just me.
You make your bed... you lie in it, but we are talking about babies having babies here. I can easily see how a 13-16 year old could be pressured into sex. It only takes once to get pregnant and mistakes happen.
These poor babies being brought into this world like this. Yes, there are people who mooch off the system, but what about all the ones that actually had their BC fail them, the ones that were rapped, the ones that were pressured to have sex by a boy at the age of 14? And then what about those babies not having the best start at life? I wouldn't mind helping out those kids and those BABIES, but thats just me.
You make your bed... you lie in it, but we are talking about babies having babies here. I can easily see how a 13-16 year old could be pressured into sex. It only takes once to get pregnant and mistakes happen.
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I'm all for day care, but I don't want to pay for it. I work hard for MY money and I make responsible choices for MY life. I think the "kids" have kids should have to work in the day care and it could be a part of a child development class/continued coursework. I'm all for helping when it's needed, and when people put forth their own effort, but when people shouldn't be having sex and then have unsafe sex at that and they expect tax payers to "help" them is when I have a problem. So yeah, you make your bed you lie in it... but you grow up and do what YOU can do to provide for your baby. And if it's just too much there is adoption. There are many solutions that don't require taxpayer dollars.
But it's not a mistake that you can slap them on the hand, stand them in the corner, and make them think about what they did. It has extreme impacts on their life over a decision THEY CAN CONTROL. They may be pressured, but no one, unless they are physically bound or threatened else wise, are forcing them to make that decision.
I can understand funding then women with children that were the result of rape. They truly did not have a choice.
The others did.
And then there's always the A word (and no not the one with 'd' as the second letter, but flip it around and you got it). Gotta be a cull some where. We can't cull the ones who have sex too early and aren't responsible for their baby. Would be nice if we could sterilize them though, prevent further 'mistakes' after the embryo was aborted.
And yes, that's extreme, and no, I'm not proposing it go into place. But if they can't control themselves, then someone has to. If nothing else, for the sake of the potential children they're callously bringing into the world under dire circumstances that they can't handle.
I can understand funding then women with children that were the result of rape. They truly did not have a choice.
The others did.
And then there's always the A word (and no not the one with 'd' as the second letter, but flip it around and you got it). Gotta be a cull some where. We can't cull the ones who have sex too early and aren't responsible for their baby. Would be nice if we could sterilize them though, prevent further 'mistakes' after the embryo was aborted.
And yes, that's extreme, and no, I'm not proposing it go into place. But if they can't control themselves, then someone has to. If nothing else, for the sake of the potential children they're callously bringing into the world under dire circumstances that they can't handle.
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What you are saying is true but its always about THEM THEM THEM. THEY made a mistake and they need to lie in their own bed. I see that, BUT I also see those children that are brought into the world (not their choice either) that have parents who dont even have a shot at getting an education. Those babies deserve to have the best shot at life as possible, even if they were the products of irresponsible teens. Those teens need to take care of those babies. And we are sitting here sticking our noses in the air and saying "well I'm not paying for that!"
What are the dropouts going to do? GET ON WELFARE. Yes, they made a mistake and its their fault in the long run, but they need to have a chance to get on their feet and make a life for themselves and their own children.
Thats just how I see it.
What are the dropouts going to do? GET ON WELFARE. Yes, they made a mistake and its their fault in the long run, but they need to have a chance to get on their feet and make a life for themselves and their own children.
Thats just how I see it.
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Pushing my being offended aside... WHY should *I* have to pay for it? What happened to the idea of personal responsibility? I am all for a day care in which both parents of the baby have to contribute to the school and have to actually work to provide for their child.. that idea is fine by me, but they shouldn't get handouts because woe is them, they got pregnant and can't deal with the consequences of the very adult decision they made. Personal responsibility, that is what I believe in.
Tha is the way I am doing things.
I had my son too young.
I live with my parents and am using subsidised child care.
But, I know that after I graduate, I will be able to get a job that pays a decent amount and I will be able to support William and I.
Is it tough, heck yes, it's hard!
Would I change things if I could? No, this hardwork has been good for me! It forced me to grow up and have direction.
Who here - with kids - has done it TOTALLY alone?
No help financially, no help from family, no help from friends?
NOT ONE.
So how can you expect a child to do it alone? And go to school? And buy baby clothes/food/childcare.
The maths doesn't add up.
We're supposed to look after our children. We ALLLLLLLLL know that generations match generations - if kids get no help, end up failing school and being on the dole, what do you think happens to THEIR kids.
It's not giving them a hand out, it's saving future generations.
No help financially, no help from family, no help from friends?
NOT ONE.
So how can you expect a child to do it alone? And go to school? And buy baby clothes/food/childcare.
The maths doesn't add up.
We're supposed to look after our children. We ALLLLLLLLL know that generations match generations - if kids get no help, end up failing school and being on the dole, what do you think happens to THEIR kids.
It's not giving them a hand out, it's saving future generations.