breeder and ckc help!!!!
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I doubt you have any recourse. Yes it's illegal. At best if you complain enough to the CKC they may temporarily ban the breeder from the CKC for a while.
At least there is a ton of competition in Ontario CKC and not.. NAMBR obedience, tracking and earthdog open to all breeds and mixes.. AAC and CPE agility also open to all breeds and mixes and CARO rally also open to all dogs. There is also PEN numbers if you are set on kennel club obedience, agility and rally. Also we have lots of flyball if that's your sport of choice.
At least there is a ton of competition in Ontario CKC and not.. NAMBR obedience, tracking and earthdog open to all breeds and mixes.. AAC and CPE agility also open to all breeds and mixes and CARO rally also open to all dogs. There is also PEN numbers if you are set on kennel club obedience, agility and rally. Also we have lots of flyball if that's your sport of choice.
You do need classes for any of those. A good basic puppy class is a good place to start. If you look up some of those organizations that MP listed you will get a better idea of the sports out there. Each organization is stand alone.. unlike the CKC.
NONE of my dogs are CKC registered. But I can spend faaar too much money trialling lol. Personally I would rather play in sports that are open to all dogs.. I am not a fan of exclusivity. (and AAC agility is more challenging and has games classes)
NONE of my dogs are CKC registered. But I can spend faaar too much money trialling lol. Personally I would rather play in sports that are open to all dogs.. I am not a fan of exclusivity. (and AAC agility is more challenging and has games classes)
tjedt--The ckc is pretty strict about people lying and doing stuff like this breeder pulled. Unless they've changed in the past few years I know that if you put in a formal complaint and attach copies of all the mails re the pup this breeder sold you she will be banned from the ckc, she will not be able to register any more pups which will affect her sales etc. Give the name of the breeder and let them know everything so they can look into this. I know a few bad breeders who were ousted from the ckc for much the same thing. At least you will be helping to stop her from pulling her dirty work on another naive buyer.
thanks sprintime i will be doing that they told me to email them and attach all the emails and i can fax the microchip info too there was one dept they said to go threw now and i can put in a formal complaint with a sworn affidavit i might have to wait six months but it will be worth it.
i did give her name and that's how i know she has been with them for 5 years and all her adults are registered.
they also told me she didn't register any litters this year at all.
do you know if the dogs get registered buy color as well as by name so i can figure out the parents names to give them so i might still have a chance of getting my registration for him.
they also told me i might have enough to go on and file a good case but i want it rock solid which without a bill of sale i won't have that's why i was hoping someone had some idea's for me.
i also had my friend emailed her inquiring about the same litter and seeing if she says they are ckc pups if so she will forward that to me as well to help my case.
please cross your fingers for me and hope i can win something even if it is like you say having her kicked out!!!
i did give her name and that's how i know she has been with them for 5 years and all her adults are registered.
they also told me she didn't register any litters this year at all.
do you know if the dogs get registered buy color as well as by name so i can figure out the parents names to give them so i might still have a chance of getting my registration for him.
they also told me i might have enough to go on and file a good case but i want it rock solid which without a bill of sale i won't have that's why i was hoping someone had some idea's for me.
i also had my friend emailed her inquiring about the same litter and seeing if she says they are ckc pups if so she will forward that to me as well to help my case.
please cross your fingers for me and hope i can win something even if it is like you say having her kicked out!!!
^^ This
Even the AKC is pretty strict, Strider's trainer bought a whippet on full registration and sent the money off, but didn't get a "written" signed contract, only the e-mail from the breeder saying it would be unlimited. When she got the dog and his papers, they were marked "limited" and the breeder totally refused to change it, saying she had paid for limited when she totally had paid an extra $300 for the papers, and he accepted it.
Long story short, the AKC got involved and he got his butt kicked (not sure of the details) she did get her papers, but ended up neutering him out of spite since she "didn't want to spend time and money putting titles on a dog that came from that guy's kennel".
Even the AKC is pretty strict, Strider's trainer bought a whippet on full registration and sent the money off, but didn't get a "written" signed contract, only the e-mail from the breeder saying it would be unlimited. When she got the dog and his papers, they were marked "limited" and the breeder totally refused to change it, saying she had paid for limited when she totally had paid an extra $300 for the papers, and he accepted it.
Long story short, the AKC got involved and he got his butt kicked (not sure of the details) she did get her papers, but ended up neutering him out of spite since she "didn't want to spend time and money putting titles on a dog that came from that guy's kennel".
i will stay positive so hopefully something positive will happen!!!tjedt--yes, the ckc needs the colour and if at all possible you really should try to get the dam and sire's names and the date your pup was born if you know it. It will help the ckc process things that much faster. Make sure you include the breeder's kennel name, her name and address, everything you have that is pertinent. And good luck to you.
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I do not mean any disrespect, but your original post indicated the breeder gave you a lower price because it would not be registered. You said fine, it is just an addition to the family.
Then someone tells you the pup may be show potential, so now you want it to be registered. Whether or not the breeder did the right thing is moot.
There is no contract, so you may have a problem. Maybe the breeder registered the litter - less one pup which was sold to you for a discount.
I just received the registration for my Cairn about a week ago from CKC. The following information is included:
Registration Number, Breeder Name,Breed, Birth Date;Litter Number;Puppy name and colour. Sires Registration number and name, Dam's Registration number and Name, Name of Person who is breeder, Breeder Address, Purchase Date, Owner name, Refernce Number and OCR Number.
I wish you luck.
Then someone tells you the pup may be show potential, so now you want it to be registered. Whether or not the breeder did the right thing is moot.
There is no contract, so you may have a problem. Maybe the breeder registered the litter - less one pup which was sold to you for a discount.
I just received the registration for my Cairn about a week ago from CKC. The following information is included:
Registration Number, Breeder Name,Breed, Birth Date;Litter Number;Puppy name and colour. Sires Registration number and name, Dam's Registration number and Name, Name of Person who is breeder, Breeder Address, Purchase Date, Owner name, Refernce Number and OCR Number.
I wish you luck.
I am not sure what you are so upset about. I am not familiar with CKC rules but in any case, I think you need to settle down and lay off the breeder. You didn't want to pay full price for a puppy so the breeder was doing you a favor by reducing the price. You knew before you purchased the pup you would not be getting papers and you agreed to it. Now all of a sudden you want papers. Well you can't "have your cake and eat it too". If you want papers for your pup then you should be willing to pay the price difference that the breeder charges for a registered pup plus the expenses involved in getting the pup registered. If the breeder did break a CKC rule she only did it because she was trying to help you, not screw you, and it is wrong to be trying to retaliate against her.
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I tend to agree with Yodel on this...
I think you should just enjoy your pup, if it was show quality the breeder probably wouldn't have sold him/her cheaper to you and would have sold the pup to someone who'd show it and/or keep it for themselves. At least I wouldn't give up a conformationally exceptional dog to someone who wants a pet and throw those genetics out without papers...but that's me.
I'd chalk it up to a learning experience and be done with it. If you want a show dog, I'd start looking into a breeder that can mentor you in it, as I think you'll be rather disappointed otherwise.
I think you should just enjoy your pup, if it was show quality the breeder probably wouldn't have sold him/her cheaper to you and would have sold the pup to someone who'd show it and/or keep it for themselves. At least I wouldn't give up a conformationally exceptional dog to someone who wants a pet and throw those genetics out without papers...but that's me.
I'd chalk it up to a learning experience and be done with it. If you want a show dog, I'd start looking into a breeder that can mentor you in it, as I think you'll be rather disappointed otherwise.