Anyone have a Wolf Hybrid? (no hating please)

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Keeping in mind of course, not all people ran out and bought their dogs after laws were passed. ;)

Why do you think so many BSL sufferers are upset? It's not because most people want the dog, it's because so many people HAVE the dog.

I have kept under wraps that my old dog that passed away was part Pit Bull. God forbid anyone who didn't like them do something to her because of that. I always said she was a terrier mix. And that was good enough for everyone. And good enough for me. Those who knew what she was respected that.
There are people who have said they'd rather see my dogs dead...if I had known this was their attitude, and my breeds were not so easily identifiable just by glancing, I would've lied to them.
 
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Ruckus is gorgeous and does have a very husky look to him, but from the many many wolf hybrid photos I've seen on the web, I'm thinking looks are not much indication of wolf content. I've seen ones that look like truly wild wolves, ones that look like huskies, malamutes, GSDs, chow-chows, etc.

I think they are a lot of work and not for the casual owner... anyone wanting one needs to realize that they need loads of attention and exercise, to say the least. Lots of other people have mentioned the destructive traits and the high prey drive.

Here's a couple pics of Moro...she is supposed to be a wolf hybrid (I say that because she was sold as one, though I really don't know her true content...I'm guessing it's low. Some people on chaz in the breed forum have suggested that she might be mostly white GSD). She has been a wonderful friend and companion to us, although she is a ton of work! She's also one of the most intelligent and affectionate dogs I've ever been around :)





Her eyes are really brown, but they always flashed blue in the camera flash
 

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Here are some good articles on wolf-hybrids from Wolf Park. Since they have direct experience with wolves (they have a wolf sanctuary) who have been socialized with humans (all their wolves are socialized as puppies and beyond, so that they can be handled as adults in order to receive vet care, etc.) and are not anti-wolf, I trust what they say.

http://www.wolfpark.org/wolfdogs/Articles.html

One quote I thought was apt . . .

It is not fair to the animal to get it, have problems with it, then kill it for doing what wolves can do.
Dogs were molded by men by thousands of years of selective breeding to be man's perfect companion. His "best friend." Dogs like people and bond with them easily. They have diminished prey drive--yes, even dogs like huskies and malamutes. Most are happy at the bottom of the pack totem pole, just like we want them to be.

Wolves have been selectively bred too--by nature. Nature said, "Wolves who go near humans end up dead. Don't." Nature said, "No one's going to feed you but yourself. Hunt prey. You'll recognize it when you see it; it's smallish, squeaky, and runs." (A description that would fit either an elk calf or a child.) Nature said, "You can only feed so many pups. Only the high-ranking wolves will breed." Thus any wolf passing his genes along was at the top of the pack . . . thus wolves are genetically predisposed to be "social climbers" in the same way herding breeds are genetically predisposed to herd.

When it comes to nature versus nurture, nurture can only do so much. I love wolves, but they are not big dogs in shaggy grey coats. They should be respected for what they are--beautiful, wild animals--not for what we wish they would be.
 
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Sledders get in here on this, i've always understood that some people did this, but they weren't people that were very well respected or winning many dog races with their dogs. This is a whole other thread, but what attributes would a wolf bring to a sled dog?
Wolves do not bring speed, what they bring is strength, health, and endurance. I have heard of a few trapline sledders who use 75%-100% wolf!

Actually I have come to learn that some shepherds with livestock guarding dogs will influence some wolf blood for the health they bring. Now of course the F1 cross cant be an LGD due to the fact that they are unpredictable as to whether they will be flock guarders (LGD) or fliock killers (wolf) but after breeding back to LGD and culling the pups who dont perform the task properly you will get the LGD temperment once more. I ahve been told that shepherd will influence the wolf blood every few generations. However this is simply what I have heard, dont quote me on it.
 

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However some people will tie their female (sled dog) out at night when she is in heat, so that a wolf could breed with her, to get some wolf qualities into the sled dogs.
Wolves do not bring any good attributes to sled dogs according to experts Ray and Lorna Coppinger. (They were champion sled dog racers for years and years, bred and raised these Alaskan Huskys.) Wolves are not designed in any way to do what Alaskan Huskys do for sledding. Wolves do not travel extenisvely to hunt. They can't afford the calorie expenditure, so that drive is not as strongly developed in wolves. They're shy and don't always do well with the other dogs, a must with a team. They're not as trainable. There were several other reasons given. So if anyone mixes them for sledding purposes, they're misinformed.

I recommend you read their book. They're biologists and ethologists. Their research is extensive and based on science. Wolves simply do not belong with people.

If people on this forum who do not agree with you do not post because you asked them not to, that would mean that this is not a forum. It would also mean that something which may be considered wrong is allowed to have only one side presented to people who may be interested in aquiring a wolf mix. That could be dangerous in most dog experts' minds. It's like if someone promotes some training method which includes hanging a dog and no one says anything against it. Or if someone said, "feed you dog chocolate and onions" and no one said anything against it. Then the only information would be one sided. "Hate" as used in your title is not an issue. But opinions are bound to be. So to ask for only agreement is not in the nature of a forum.

So, while I think your dog is beautiful and may turn out just fine and I know you love him, that is all good...(he may be in fact not so much wolf), the other side of the coin will inevideably be posted. You can't post something and expect only people who agree with something which to them is so wrong. You haven't done anything wrong. It's just that in general, bringing or mixing wolves into the domestic dog role is wrong.

Wolves are wild animals, not evolved to live with humans and IMO should not be mixed with domestic dogs. They should be left in the wild.

Dogs, a startling new understanding of canine origin, behavior and evolution by Ray and Lorna Coppinger is a book I highly, highly recommend to all, especially people interested in this very thing also particularily people interested in sled dogs and sled racing. If you want to know how dogs evolved and where that evolution path went, this book makes a very strong case for their opinion. A wolf ancestor evolved into a solitary (not pack) village dog and then to a semi domestic village dog and then into domestic dog over thousands of years. Humans did not selectively breed wolves. Humans did selectively breed domestic dogs into the breeds we have now, of course.

Wolves cannot be like dog no matter how they're raised. They are not biologically wired like dogs. Their behavior is not like dogs. Dogs have some predatory motor patterns but not all in all breeds. A border collie has the eye stalk, the chase but that's where it stops. It does not go into the subsequent motor patterns; bit, kill, dissect and consume. A wolf has all of the predatory motor patterns. A domestic dog is something of a paedomorph of a wolf, that is, that he retains juvenile characterists, both physilogically, behaviorally and biochemically. Their brain chemistry is different.

So, there are exceptions here and there with these mixes (where the lineage is in doubt anyhow) and some turn out just fine. Over all however, they're not a good bet as a substitute for a domestic dog.
 
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My 2 cents. I think wolf hybrids are georgeous but I think they should be in the hands of experienced people who know what they are doing. Just like any breed should be. However, with wolves there IS a higher prey drive as well as a more dominant personality.

Someone where I used to live owned a wolf hybrid. Perfect around everyone, very loving sweet dog. Stupidly the guy left his dog alone with his 5-7 year old child. Yeah you guess it, the wolf hybrid killed the child even though they had "grown up" together. The sad thing it is wasnt the dog's fault, it was the owner's fault for being such a dumba**. I feel horribly for him because his child died but I dont know when people will get not to EVER EVER leave a child alone with ANY dog even if it is a Pomeranian (read a story not too long ago about a Pom killing a child).

I think both of your dogs are handsome. I wish you luck with them but again my opinion is they belong in the hands of experienced people who know how to handle them. I cant really see them being kept as pets but I dont know anything about them (except I have met one a couple times as well as the horror story).

Wolves are wild and should stay that way. I know we domesticated them to get the dogs we have today but that was done over hundreds of years. You cant just take a wolf, breed it with a husky and sell them to people. I am sure all of you who own wolf hybrids on this forum are very responsible, the sad fact is most are not. Most people say "I want a wolf hybrid because they are cool"...Um....NO! It's a wild animal like a lion or tiger or raccoon.

Sure you can "tame them" down but it takes generations and generations and generations.

Your dogs are all beautiful and it seems you all know what you are talking about (although I didnt have enough time to read through the entire thread).
 

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Wolves do not bring any good attributes to sled dogs according to experts Ray and Lorna Coppinger. (They were champion sled dog racers for years and years, bred and raised these Alaskan Huskys.) Wolves are not designed in any way to do what Alaskan Huskys do for sledding. Wolves do not travel extenisvely to hunt. They can't afford the calorie expenditure, so that drive is not as strongly developed in wolves. They're shy and don't always do well with the other dogs, a must with a team. They're not as trainable. There were several other reasons given. So if anyone mixes them for sledding purposes, they're misinformed.

I recommend you read their book. They're biologists and ethologists. Their research is extensive and based on science. Wolves simply do not belong with people.

If people on this forum who do not agree with you do not post because you asked them not to, that would mean that this is not a forum. It would also mean that something which may be considered wrong is allowed to have only one side presented to people who may be interested in aquiring a wolf mix. That could be dangerous in most dog experts' minds. It's like if someone promotes some training method which includes hanging a dog and no one says anything against it. Or if someone said, "feed you dog chocolate and onions" and no one said anything against it. Then the only information would be one sided. "Hate" as used in your title is not an issue. But opinions are bound to be. So to ask for only agreement is not in the nature of a forum.

So, while I think your dog is beautiful and may turn out just fine and I know you love him, that is all good...(he may be in fact not so much wolf), the other side of the coin will inevideably be posted. You can't post something and expect only people who agree with something which to them is so wrong. You haven't done anything wrong. It's just that in general, bringing or mixing wolves into the domestic dog role is wrong.

Wolves are wild animals, not evolved to live with humans and IMO should not be mixed with domestic dogs. They should be left in the wild.

Dogs, a startling new understanding of canine origin, behavior and evolution by Ray and Lorna Coppinger is a book I highly, highly recommend to all, especially people interested in this very thing also particularily people interested in sled dogs and sled racing. If you want to know how dogs evolved and where that evolution path went, this book makes a very strong case for their opinion. A wolf ancestor evolved into a solitary (not pack) village dog and then to a semi domestic village dog and then into domestic dog over thousands of years. Humans did not selectively breed wolves. Humans did selectively breed domestic dogs into the breeds we have now, of course.

Wolves cannot be like dog no matter how they're raised. They are not biologically wired like dogs. Their behavior is not like dogs. Dogs have some predatory motor patterns but not all in all breeds. A border collie has the eye stalk, the chase but that's where it stops. It does not go into the subsequent motor patterns; bit, kill, dissect and consume. A wolf has all of the predatory motor patterns. A domestic dog is something of a paedomorph of a wolf, that is, that he retains juvenile characterists, both physilogically, behaviorally and biochemically. Their brain chemistry is different.

So, there are exceptions here and there with these mixes (where the lineage is in doubt anyhow) and some turn out just fine. Over all however, they're not a good bet as a substitute for a domestic dog.

What an absolutely wonderful & informative post!:hail:
 

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I agree with the last two posts, not trying to upset the OP but wolfdogs should not be bred as pets imo. Most people get wolfdogs wanting a dog that looks 'wild' or untamed. In reality, they may end up with a very doggy looking animal that acts wild. Most of these people see it as cool to own one, sometimes it seems like a macho thing with some males. The reality is the majority of people don't know what they're getting into. Many people don't put a lot of thought into what's going on here. And in my opinion there's no need to cross breed wolfdogs. There are plenty of dog breeds and crosses already. People even breed dogs that look like wolves but have no wolf in them (Utonagan). If you were really wanting a wolfish looking dog, you could get one of those breeds like a Czech Wolfdog, although those aren't the best for novice owners. I know that some people can have wolfdogs with no problem, but the people who can handle them are few and far between and often times not the people who end up with them. And even then, a wolf is better suited in the wild than in any sort of captivity imo.

I also have a problem with the way they are bred. I have yet to see a breeder of wolfdogs that seems to be in breeding for more than the money. (I'm talking about as pets, I have no idea about sledding, so it's being ignored for right now, I'd have to read up on it before I could decide). Most of these people sell their dogs at petstores (I see wolfdogs there all the time), in front of walmart, in ads without screening the adopters at all. That's a recipe for disaster if you ask me. Wolfdogs will sell because people want to be able to control something 'wild'. Many 'wolfdogs' for sale aren't even part wolf at all or a very low percentage. It's all about the money. To me it's similar in most aspects to breeding designer dogs. It's a mix produced to make money, I have yet to see any breeder of these dogs that does any kind of health testing or extensive screening of potential owners. None remotely fit my definition of a responsible breeder.

I've had experience with wolves and wolfdogs as our old vet was part of a rescue society and rehabilitated wolves and wolfdogs. Do you have any idea how many of them are surrendered? My favorite was a pure 8 month old grey wolf he was rehabilitating after his owners decided was growing too big already. He had a lot of dogs come in through the rescue whose owners thought they could handle them, but in reality had no idea the extent of the wolfish characteristics that their pet would have. Thus it ended up homeless. I saw a wolfdog the other day riding in the back of a truck unconstrained in the middle of town going about 10 mph. That's a horrible idea for any kind of dog, but that dog could've gotten loose.

So in all, I don't think most people are prepared to deal with a large wild carnivore in a domestic situation.
 

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petstores (I see wolfdogs there all the time

Wow, that's scary.
Yep. The last time I went to the mall, we have a 'puppy store' there was a group of three 'German Shepherd x Wolf' pups complete with college aged girls looking at them and asking the store clerk if they'd get big and if they'd be 'mean'....

If that's not a reicpe for disaster, I don't know what is.
 
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I agree 100% wolf hybrids or wolves in petstores is EXTREMLY frightning to me. People who buy from petstores are uneducated and I hate to think of what their wolf hybrid would turn out like.

"I've had experience with wolves and wolfdogs as our old vet was part of a rescue society and rehabilitated wolves and wolfdogs. "

That's really cool though I would love to visit a sanctuary for wolves. They do belong in the wild. Maybe people on here who want one could instead volunteer at a wolf sanctuary (although I am not sure how common they are??).
 

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Anyone remember the animated movie Balto? The main character was a wolf-dog . . . I'll bet some uninformed people went out and got wolf-dogs after seeing it. I don't blame the movie, though, I blame the people who went out and bought the dogs without educating themselves.
 

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Your pup is very cute.

And I don't think anyone hates wolf-hybrids themselves, I just beieve people don't like the breeders & peddlers of these "rare" animals because it brings in more cash than a 9 to 5 will. And there is a reason we don't breed Tigers to domesticated housecats.;)
 

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I know this thread is old but"

Ruckus Siberian Husky/Alaskan Malamute

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"Im really shy around people, but mommy and daddy bring me out alot. I like picking fights with dogs smaller than me, but im afraid of them if theyre bigger than me."

Not to be rude, but that would that scare me....
 

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Wolfy Girl

We obtained our wonderful but challenging girl as a rescue from someone who could no longer keep her. She is a beautiful white dog, half malmute, half timber wolf. It was difficult to get an eight year old wolfdog, with little to no experience with one. So by trial and error and much internet research we have found ways to properly care for her. We have some rural acreage which she can roam, she does have very protective tendencies when she encounters other dogs as she was limited in socialization. She is however the most loving dog to her family. This spring she has dug a 4 foot den in our yard, and likes to put the cat in it. The cat who now has species confusion from being raised by her wolfy "mom", takes it all in stride, although she is getting to big to be carried by the scruff, so we have to watch for "over mothering" these days. While Ava's story turned out well, I always caution those who ask us where we got our dog, wanting a wolf mix. She is by all accounts a wonderful, loving dog, but she has many needs beyond that of a non wolf dog. I wish all the other responsible wolf dog owners the best and look forward to any advice they may have to share with us!! We are still learning and training, mostly with professional advice. Best wishes to all, Wolf dogs when properly trained and cared for a wonderful pet.
 

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There was another thread on here not long ago that was asking our opinions on whether or not wolves should be bred with dogs and I'll answer like I did then...I don't agree with the breeding of wild animals to domesticated animals. There is absolutely no purpose. Doesn't mean it's not going to happen and it doesn't mean I don't condone owning one...where else are the poor things supposed to go? Hybrids don't work well in 95% of the households they are taken into and that is why the rescues are so highly packed.

As some were saying earlier in the thread, each hybrid WILL NOT turn out the same, just like any dog. It is dangerous to give advice like...oh don't worry about aggression. You have never met this pup and have NO idea what kind of issues it will have as a grown adult. They are not normal dogs and have very special needs that can range from just a little extra time and training to "take over your life" issues where you constantly finding yourself falling short of making things run smoothly. I've seen it go both ways even with VERY experienced dog owners.

Hybrids are predisposed to gastorintestinal issues and socializational issues. They have an extremely high instinctive and prey drive.

I wish you the best of luck with your pup, I suggest joinging some kind of a hybrid forum, hiring a trainer and reading up all you can on this type of animal.
 

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