Should moderators be able to delete their own threads IF...

There was a time where I wanted to breed dogs. I thought "OOOOOH woudln't it be awesome to have all these cute puppies around and then sell em for big bucks" I was stupid and didn't know better.

since joining chaz I now KNOW better thank goodness.

I can't judge too harshly new people who come here with pregnant dogs because they just don't KNOW better and honestly I think we should be a lot easier on newbies because the average person just is NOT dog savvy the way people here are.

There are dog owners, dog lovers and then chazzers lol.

But I think the worst part is finding out that someone you have known for years and everything you know about them is a farce or so it seems. I can't judge harshly either way on that one.

I am more irritated by the abuse of mod privileges

This whole thing is one of the weirder things I've read here in a while.

I agree that the stories are all kinds of backwards and twisted. Call my cynical, but at this point, without evidence to the contrary, I'm finding it hard to believe the very best. There is just too much that doesn't make sense. I was in the process of typing a reply to the initial thread when it was closed, but most of what I wanted to say has been said by others.

I certainly agree with that as well. I've PM'ed the names of breeders I like and trust to a few people who have mentioned the breeds, but I won't post them in the forums, and I always ask people not to refer the breeders back to this board, just in case their name does somehow get dragged through the mud.

As for the main topic of this thread, I absolutely think the mod powers were abused. It is up to the Powers that Be how to handle it, but I've seen much less kind threads merely locked. Unless things went downhill fast in the 10 minutes or so I spent composing my reply, I thought things were very polite given just how unexpected and potentially bad the situation was.

This is definitely true. And not just here... I recently came face-to-face with somebody who had no evidence to back up her judgment of my dog. She knew nothing at all but carried on as though she knew everything. It was not pretty and the kind of person she is is the kind of person I think most people would not like to be. It was INCREDIBLY ugly, it was insulting, she was disgusting, and it took me a few days to not feel disgusting about the entire encounter. I only take solace knowing that I don't have to live with myself as she does. Yuck.
There is a fine line between questioning and attacking and I think part of the problem is the lack of tone... so it comes across as attacking when it's intended to be just questioning. And then somebody gets defensive and then the other party reacts and it turns into a big brawl.
But then there's the other part of the problem that is simply a bunch of jerks who think they know everything about everything and unfortunately nothing can change that. Even when you present somebody with facts they can still go "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEEEEAR YOU I LIKE WHAT IIII THINK INSTEAD OF SCIENTIFIC FAAACT"


But I think most of us on the sidelines in this particular situation are just looking for the truth and feeling very confused and hurt about it. Deleting the thread made it worse though now that it's un-deleted and there for everyone to read, it's just all very uncomfortable. I don't care about where the dogs are from so much as I care about being told the truth about where they are from. I hope she does come back and give us that at the very least. We've all been there for her through some rough stuff so I would hope she could feel she could trust us. =<

Though I have to admit to understanding why she might feel she could not, just as I understand why there are people who don't post certain things on here.
BTW I remember shortly after I first joined and somebody asked me what I fed Auggie, and (instead of lying) I didn't answer - because I fed him Nutro and I knew everybody would be like "OMG YOU FEED HIM THAT CRAP?!" LOL. I was still trying to learn all the dog food stuff and hadn't made up my mind yet about what to do, so I just kept quiet instead of opening myself to the flames. It's sad that anybody should have to feel that way, but I've been there myself. Been there since, too.


I wish I could say my Lexus' battery died, LOL... my ten year old Impala's battery died! The good news is it was just the battery, because while sitting at Michaels waiting for my dad to come rescue me I was swearing up a storm thinking it was the alternator, and "THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR HAVING A TEN YEAR OLD CAR... YOU HAVE TO FIX EVERYTHING... ()#*$(@*" LMAO. Just the battery, though, and I didn't even have to pay anything for NAPA to replace it for me. They were just like "Oh yeah... we've had a lot of trouble with those. Here. New one."
Luckily I had already pulled us from agility in Indy last weekend, or I'd have been flipping out trying to figure out how to get to Indy... or worse, it would have died while I was at a rest stop halfway to Indy. =P
Sadly, the dead battery DID make me miss a playdate with Auggie's newest BFF at the dog park. =<

I was stranded at the grocery store, 15 miles away from home! I was cussing up a storm too... luckily it was only the battery. Though it did die again when I picked it up from Firestone... they towed it AGAIN, and found nothing wrong and couldn't get it to die on them. it hasn't died since, but I'm still paranoid.

I have to drive to Tulsa (7.5 hrs!) over Memorial Day weekend, and I'm terrified it's going to die in southern Missouri... eek!

I am behind you guys on that. None of us know the full story or the truth and with that we have very little to base judgment off of. Have we been lied to? Yes. Was it right? No. But I am far from perfect and don't always answer questions directed at me here either. I for one will welcome her back with open arms, story cleared up or not, because some times passing judgment gets you no where. It certainly won't improve this situation. If she doesn't want to say anything she won't and thats her right. I'll respect that.

Well, now that there's realization that perhaps we've been harsh and tyrannical in our judgments on occasion, I hope we can all be honest enough with OURSELVES to go back and ponder how we've responded to people who have -- in our estimation -- committed various and sundry sins and HONESTLY ask ourselves if we are part of the reason people are leery, or downright afraid, of posting certain things here -- or posting at all.

Sometimes the urge to be acknowledged as "right" is downright petty.

I'd imagine there's a lot of stuff people (myself included) don't post about, which kind of exacerbates the situation because it gives a false impression of what the 'morals' (for lack of a better word) of this forum are.

Great post, Jen. Thank you for posting that.

I can say for myself I have been very afraid of being judged here.
One of my first threads was thinking my pet store dog was pregnant from a dog 4 times her size. (It turned out to be nothing more than a very dramatic heat, THANK GOODNESS!)
There have been times I have wanted to ask for it to be deleted because I didn't want anyone to read it and judge me. But I figured the educational value is worth keeping it up. I don't want to hide anything, but I'm afraid someone will think I'm an awful dog owner or use it against me somehow.
And yes, sometimes I even hesitated to post pictures of Lucy, my pet store puppy, because I was sure someone would lay into me about her origins.

When I first joined, I had Nikki as my dog... she was from a BYB and I think I've always been very open that she was. I got her at 5 weeks old from an ad in the newspaper. People do things like that and it's sad people feel the need to hide that. I can't even begin to think of the roasting if I had posted here about her when I first got her. I for one wouldn't judge someone for having a dog out of that kind of situation, but it's what you do past that that matters. We were all 'noobs' once.

But to me, this here is something very different. Maybe it's not to everyone, but to me it is.

Very much agree with the bolded. We all have to start somewhere. And the last paragraph, too.

Oh, yeah, Laur, it's totally different to me, too. It's just we were on the topic of secrets and confessions. . .and fear of being flamed.

I first started posting on a chihuahua forum after I bought Madison from an ad in the paper from a REALLY bad BYB... he was in a rubbermaid tub full of cedar shavings and I couldn't leave him. I think we paid... $375 for him. Yikes.

I didn't realize at the time that there were breed standards. I figured chihuahuas were chihuahuas no matter what.

I had to rehome him due to his temperament issues and aggressiveness towards Rylie and Chloe.

I've been very open about this from the beginning. I'm not ashamed... I was a sophomore in college and didn't know any better.

These "stories" aren't the normal "trying to fit into a forum" stories... they are alll so different and elaborate. They don't even make logical sense. I can understand lying about stupid things like your secret love of basket weaving or how you really bought that sweater you told me you knit, but these posts? They're just... strange

On that note... I actually was really self conscious about Beau's lack of ear fringe when I first joined. I would only post pictures that exaggerated his ears because another forum kept pestering me about them. And I'd always post that another dog had chewed it all off (semi true).

The truth? Beau is lacking in ear fringe for a papillon.

Now I realize how stupid that sounds... lol

*gasp*

Scandalous!

I agree. this is extremely different.

this is not just some misunderstandings or a lie as a newbie. this is MANY lies posted all over the internet and not one story is the same anywhere on the internet. many forums... all different stories.

this isn't just regular stories to avoid judgement. this is... not just regular lies. this is almost verging on pathological. just to tell so many different stories all over the place and not one is the same.

I still don't really have much of an opinion on the actual breeding because I don't know what the truth is and as someone said before as long as the puppies find good home with return contracts and the funds are there to provide for them and care for them now and in case they get returned then what issue is there to have really.

We all get fired up when a new person comes in with this kind of stuff just because we assume it's a troll. but when it's someone we know and have trusted. you really can't blame people for having a visceral reaction. makes one wonder what is true and what is not and not just with the dogs.

this wasn't just one simple lie. it seems to be a long string of lies from dogs that didn't really "exsist" to spayed or not spayed to who knows what.

I was embarrassed that Chloe only had one merle spot on her body. lol. How stupid is that?

I had wanted her sister who was mostly merle with white... Chloe was the crazy active puppy and she's who we ended up with.

I don't care about it at all now.

Isn't it? :lol-sign:

ETA:

There was this papillon breeder on another forum that said something along 'What happened to his poor ears? Why does he have no fringe?' and it really bugged me.:lol-sign:

At the vet's office yesterday, I met a woman with a cute small dog. I would never have guessed that it was a Papillon because she'd had it shaved! Completely. Tail, body, legs--and EARS! Shaved. So he'd be cooler in the summer.

Now that's the sort of thing people wouldn't want to mention on this forum! What's a little ear fringe lack compared to that?

I have nothing to add on the FoxyWench situation. Yes, she lied. Tall tales, even. As have others on the forum. Yes, she abused her privileges as a moderator, and there should be some consequence for that. On the other hand, she's been kind and helpful to quite a few people on the forum. Let's remember that too.

They are strange -- just like having to rehome a Chi because of temperament issues is strange to me. It's a matter of perspective -- and allowing yourself to try to see from someone else's.

That's not to say that there's a blanket okay to lie -- there isn't, but, like Buckshot so astutely noted, fear of judgment is often the motive for lying.

The board missed 8 weeks of adorable puppies not too long ago because Filarotten didn't want to endure all the bullshit she knew would get dished up over an honest mistake -- and you all have NO idea how common silent heats are in Filas, or how cunning they can be when it comes to accomplishing a goal. But too many wouldn't have listened, or even wanted to hear, and if she'd shared it would have turned into yet another brouhaha. So we enjoyed the puppies in peace.

Mmm... going by the responses it would seem that I was lucky then.

I don't know people all that well yet, but I would imagine that I would be pretty annoyed if someone I had known on the forum was lying all along. Changing your mind on an issue is one thing (or growing, as one poster said edit - it was Jessie... ), but having completely different stories... I don't think people can expect that there would be no reaction to that.