Where's The Abuse?

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Places that are dog friendly, I suppose. To me, Macy's isn't dog friendly. I want my dogs to get the most out of experiences. I guess what it boils down to, is my 100lb dogs need more than what a dog that gets carried around in a tote, does. To each their own, but I still have opinions. :p
I think that's very untrue. Just because a dog is in a tote at one point doesn't mean the dog hasn't done anything else all day. It's not always substitute like most people are acting...
 

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I think that's very untrue. Just because a dog is in a tote at one point doesn't mean the dog hasn't done anything else all day. It's not always substitute like most people are acting...
Maybe so, but I'd never put my dog in anything that limited their ability to move about and be dogs. If they go with they go with as dogs.. able to walk on their own and just... be. I don't know how else to explain it. :eek:
 

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*plays devils advocate*
Haha, I don't mind, I wanted to see your view, that's why I asked. :p

1st bolded; The dogs enjoy being with their owners. That's one of the main joys that dogs get.

I can understand that, but when my dogs are with me, they are on their feet, we are engaging each other.. throwing the ball, walking, playing in the water, cuddling on the couch... they aren't in a mesh bag while I go shopping in the mall or what have you.

If Dixie were 10 pounds bigger, I'd absolutely love to do that! But she doesn't even weigh 4 pounds. She could easily be eaten by a dog, or stepped on by a human. Carrying bags aren't like crates, they aren'tl just trapped inside of a box, it's just as if you were holding them, exept you don't have to hold them. She sticks her little head out, and is a part of the experience.

2nd bolded; My dogs do use their senses, when they're in the bag. They smell things, see things, and hear things that they wouldn't if they were just cooped up in the house all the time. They get to be around people, and be socialized. Socialization is one of the best things for a dog.

How are they socialized if they are in a bag? How do they get to properly greet people and use their own instincts if they are are being pushed into people's faces/hands. How do they get to properly act as dogs in a bag?

Like I mentioned before, she's just as much a part of the experience, as she would be if I were carrying her without a bag. In fact, when they're in the bag, it's almost impossible for someone to pet her without my knowledge, which I prefer. I never let another person hold Dixie. Not only does she dislike being held by other people, but I don't even know these people.

3rd bolded; Why wouldn't you want to be with your dog all the time?

Because dogs are not meant to be everywhere. Should we allow dogs in hospitals, clinics, child care facilities, grocery stores, etc.. They don't belong everywhere humans get to go. I love my dogs and I enjoy spending time with them, which is why my husband and I are homebodies. If we do go places, we go places where dogs are already allowed... the park, the beach, etc. etc.. When we go on vacations, they go with and we make sure all places are dog friendly.

I agree with you on this one, except, if I were in the hospital, dying, I'd like my dog to be there, but otherwise, I've never been to a child care facility, or anything, so I wouldn't bring her there anyway. I've only ever brough Dixie to Petsmart, and our local grocery (my mom works there, and the owner of the store is 100% okay with it, she rescues dogs, and owns about 15). I too, am a homebody, but if I took Dixie the park, there would be no need for her to be in a bag, because the reason she was brought there was to run and play. If I'm on a trip, and I don't want to leave my dog in the hot car, or I'm out at Petsmart, I think that a carrying bag is perfect for Dixie. She's just too small to be allowed to walk on the ground in public around dogs and people I don't trust. It'd be irresponsible of me to allow her to do so, imo. Holly on the other hand, I can't pick up, so there's no need for a bag. :p I can easily take control of her if another dog comes by.
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It's saying my message is too short, because I have it all in quotes, so I'm typing this randomly, here.
 

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I can't say I completely agree as I've never had a small dog before.. so I've never had to worry about size or the ability to just be a dog... but I do agree with some of yours points. Thanks for biting. ;) :)
 

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Haha, no problem, and thank you!

Sometimes I do wish she could do as much as Holly does with me, but it doesn't matter, I just do different things with her. :p
 
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Maybe so, but I'd never put my dog in anything that limited their ability to move about and be dogs. If they go with they go with as dogs.. able to walk on their own and just... be. I don't know how else to explain it. :eek:
so crates are abusive, too?

ugh... this debate is getting tiresome.
 

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Being carried around isn't anything new to these breeds. Shih tzus were often carried in Kimono sleeves in China.

Bows are often use to keep the dog's fur out of its face and eyes.

A Royal Proclamation was issued that King Charles commanded that all Toy Spaniels be granted entry everywhere in the British Empire - shops, cafes, pubs, offices, etc.

I doubt it people complained much back then. They had dogs that went for THEIR needs. They didn't relly care what others used their dogs for.

They wanted dogs compnion for hunting? They made hunting dogs.

They wanted dogs to kill rats? They made ratter dogs.

They wanted dogs for guarding? They made guard dogs.

They wanted dogs for herding? They made herd dogs.

They wanted dogs for working? They made working dogs.

So when people wanted a constant companionship dog, they bred these little ones. Who often suffer from separation anxiety, because of THEIR constant need of human companionship.

Not all dogs were bred for good intentions, like bull-fighting/dog-fighting dogs.

But simply spoiling a dog isn't going to harm them. Unless you're putting them in small bird cages to prevent growth like they did back in the dys, but those are inhumne cses. There's a difference spoiling and inhumne.

Not all small dog breeds were bred for long hikes, ect. If someone wanted dog to go on long hikes, ect they would get a large breed dog. I don't complain that my little dog can't go jump in a river and fetch me a duck. I know what I was getting when I got a small dog, including that I can take them to most places where otherwise larger dogs aren't allowed. Is it fair? No, but if you wanted a dog to take anywhere with you, then you should of gotten a smaller dog.

If I wanted a bird fetching dog I would of gotten a retriever. But I don't mind pictures of large dog breeds fetching ducks or herding. I think its pretty neat that large dog breed owners can do those kind of things with their dogs. But I'm not going to tell them they shouldn't do that, because I can't do so with my little dog.

Some places over here don't allow the dogs to be on the floor [due to pooping/peeing/chewing/whatever the case], but if they're carried or in a carrier then its ok. Hey if you want to carry your 100lb dog around, by all means, go for it.

I rather see a small dog in a carrier in a store than a large dog outside a store in a car on a hot day, because the owners couldn't take them in the store with them. This happens all too often, but people rather argue with people who actually take care of their dogs and care about their dogs needs [maybe even if its 'over the top'.] IMO that is simply ludacris.

People have different definitions for dog ownership and it being 'over the top'. Some think simply think having a dog INDOORS is 'over the top'. So whats wrong with a good dog owner doing the right thing as a dog owner, and possibly even more?

You want a dog to be treated like a dog? Then take your dogs outside and make them a dog house, play fetch a couple times, and have food and water for them. That to most people is what it is to have a dog 'be treated like a dog'.

I also see the use of these devices for cats, cat carriers and strollers. Cats seem to get a kick out of them, why can't dogs? Maybe the cat doesn't get walked everyday like a dog, but they get plenty of indoor/backyard exercise, like some smaller dog breeds do.
 

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Here is my thought:
a crate, a leash, sitting in a car, even being in a house limits the dog to do what it wants. If the dog likes being carted around in a bag (small dog can see more, doesn't have to worry about being stepped on etc etc) and still gets lots of physical exercise how does that limit the dogs enjoyment of life?

Snip LOVE LOVE LOVES car rides. Its his next fave thing to killing vermin. He just sits in the car... he gets no exercise, but I think seeing the scenery whiz by pleases him, as does being with his humans.

What is abuse comes down to the potential 'abusee' Some dogs love car rides, some would find them horribly punishing. Some dogs hate bags, some love them.
 
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Juicy... you are fighting a losing battle for sure.
If you want a site where your views are more welcome feel free to PM me and I will send you an address. It is a great site if you need advice or reviews on bags, clothes, topknots, anything.
Otherwise... you know how your dogs are taken care of and thats all that matters... ;)
 

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Juicy... you are fighting a losing battle for sure.
If you want a site where your views are more welcome feel free to PM me and I will send you an address. It is a great site if you need advice or reviews on bags, clothes, topknots, anything.
Otherwise... you know how your dogs are taken care of and thats all that matters... ;)
Thanks. I love attitude tees for dogs. When the whole gang gets fixed I'm getting them these matching tees [oh the inhumanity :eek:] that say ''Sorry bitches I'm Fixed''.......so I don't even have to waste my breath when someone comes and asks me if I want to breed my dogs with theirs. :p
 

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Oh, that's ridiculous, Elissa. We all have our opinions.. we are all allowed to share them. Juicy is welcome here, so are you. I don't disagree or agree with much of what has been talked about and was mostly playing devil's advocate. I also don't see the need to cry out "woes". You do what you want with your dogs, what any of us say shouldn't matter and knowing you, it doesn't matter. But there is nothing wrong with engaging in discussion about it. I've rather enjoyed this whole discussion.

I appreciate and respect anyone willing to engage in any discussion and stand up firmly for that in which they believe in in a mature manner; which is surely what many of us have done. We don't all have to fall down at our opponent's feet and praise victory.. there is no right or wrong (unless there is abuse). ;)
 
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Juicy... you are fighting a losing battle for sure.
If you want a site where your views are more welcome feel free to PM me and I will send you an address. It is a great site if you need advice or reviews on bags, clothes, topknots, anything.
Otherwise... you know how your dogs are taken care of and thats all that matters... ;)
Why on earth do you always feel compelled to bash this site when a thread goes a direction YOU don't like.

If you find the site so repulsive, no one is forcing you to be here.

Frankly, I think bashing a site and then continuing to post on is quite tasteless.
 
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Oh, that's ridiculous, Elissa. We all have our opinions.. we are all allowed to share them. Juicy is welcome here, so are you. I don't disagree or agree with much of what has been talked about and was mostly playing devil's advocate. I also don't see the need to cry out "woes". You do what you want with your dogs, what any of us say shouldn't matter and knowing you, it doesn't matter. But there is nothing wrong with engaging in discussion about it. I've rather enjoyed this whole discussion.

I appreciate and respect anyone willing to engage in any discussion and stand up firmly for that in which they believe in in a mature manner; which is surely what many of us have done. We don't all have to fall down at our opponent's feet and praise victory.. there is no right or wrong (unless there is abuse). ;)
Why on earth do you always feel compelled to bash this site when a thread goes a direction YOU don't like.

If you find the site so repulsive, no one is forcing you to be here.

Frankly, I think bashing a site and then continuing to post on is quite tasteless.

I have the right to say whatever I want.

I do not post here about a number of topics because I get ZERO advice and flaming only... therefore I go to another site for that advice... I was offering that same site to Juicy if she wanted it.

neither of you have to read my posts that is what the ignore button is for... feel free to use it.

i find it hilarious that I have only said negative things about this site and handful of times and everytime I do everyone says I say it all the time... seriously get over yourselves.
 

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I have the right to say whatever I want.

I do not post here about a number of topics because I get ZERO advice and flaming only... therefore I go to another site for that advice... I was offering that same site to Juicy if she wanted it.

neither of you have to read my posts that is what the ignore button is for... feel free to use it.

i find it hilarious that I have only said negative things about this site and handful of times and everytime I do everyone says I say it all the time... seriously get over yourselves.
Perhaps we are the not the ones that need to be getting over ourselves. You don't have to like what goes on and you don't have to participate in threads if you don't want to.

But it's silly and it does get old when you threads don't go your way and you get bent out of shape. I know you have little dogs and you dress them up and take them places and that's great, but we all have opinions about it, though it doesn't mean you have to like them or even care what others have to say. No one was disrespecting anyone else here and we were actually having a decent conversation that was not full of CAPS and !!! and temper tantrums... until you posted. ;)

I know you better than others, and I know that these topics are sensitive to your being. Perhaps its better that you not participate.. or its better that you not participate until you can bring something to the discussion other than insults to the forum and its members.

Just take a deep breath and walk away... that's probably the best option right now... for all.
 

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:p

Looks like I was too late to add my opinion...

I don't mind dogs anywhere. I don't mind well behaved dogs anywhere, that is. I've met and seen some super dogs in WalMarts and stores like that. Not little dogs but bigger ones. Usually these dogs are retrievers or mutts, and have super manners. I would LOVE to bring Ozzy with me into these stores that allow it occasionally, but Oz loves the sound of his own voice and I would not risk other peoples chance to bring their dog in public because my dog cant hold his tongue.

I don't really see anything wrong with dogs in carriers. As long as they are allowed to be dogs, and allowed to excersize on their own. Clothes, I don't like them, but each to their own.
 
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Perhaps we are the not the ones that need to be getting over ourselves. You don't have to like what goes on and you don't have to participate in threads if you don't want to.

But it's silly and it does get old when you threads don't go your way and you get bent out of shape. I know you have little dogs and you dress them up and take them places and that's great, but we all have opinions about it, though it doesn't mean you have to like them or even care what others have to say. No one was disrespecting anyone else here and we were actually having a decent conversation that was not full of CAPS and !!! and temper tantrums... until you posted. ;)

I know you better than others, and I know that these topics are sensitive to your being. Perhaps its better that you not participate.. or its better that you not participate until you can bring something to the discussion other than insults to the forum and its members.

Just take a deep breath and walk away... that's probably the best option right now... for all.
please let me know what post was full of caps because it wasnt mine.

once again I did not insult this forum... i offered an additional forum to Juicy, I am sure lots of people on here go on additional forums... actually I know that. Its not my fault you all took it as insulting that there is a forum out there better then this on a particular topic.
 

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Sorry, that was for example purposes only. I did not mean to imply you did that. Anyways, it's time to move on...
 

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