wow 13 mth maternity leave, that would be great, but unfortunately alot are unable to afford that. As far as all American women were stay at home moms maybe in the 50-70 but not anymore. Cost of living is to expensive. Maybe you should get some facts straight before you come here and start blasting people who have pups and work.
i dont get some of you ...
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Dunno, it depends. For me it would probably not be worth it to work when you count the price of daycare etc. I think seeing the kids grow up is worth more than the 1000 I would earn every month, especially if 500 of that is spent in daycare. Just a thought 
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Here you get 1 year and it is called parental leave. After that back to work or no money!
So we had Lily and when Megan was born no more parental leave because it was used up on Lily. I have not gone back to work but I do train some horses and give riding lessons on the side abit plus babysit so I get a little extra cash that way. I do on ocassion doggy sit but am very careful because to many people forget to come back and pick up their dogs. Now we have a doggy rescue well started and that is not a money maker just a hobby for the love of dogs.
So we had Lily and when Megan was born no more parental leave because it was used up on Lily. I have not gone back to work but I do train some horses and give riding lessons on the side abit plus babysit so I get a little extra cash that way. I do on ocassion doggy sit but am very careful because to many people forget to come back and pick up their dogs. Now we have a doggy rescue well started and that is not a money maker just a hobby for the love of dogs.
I don't think I even want to honor this thread with a response. How else do you expect working people to own dogs. People should not be banned from owning dogs because they work. Also long as the dog gets adequate time spent with it during the time it's owner is home than it will not suffer from being litter trained.
Huh?
I would be very interested to know where you got your information that we are all "stay at home moms".
The majority of households have parents that work outside the home, and no... though tempting, I have never kennelled my daughter. My dog however? Yes. He does get kennelled during the day and I find it really intriguing that you would sit there and cast judgement on people for not living the life that you do. Yes, you are very fortunate for having the opportunity to stay at home and be with your babies.... we should all be so fortunate, however some of us are single parents and have homes and cars and yes, DOGS to take care of! As far as vet bills go.... I have pet insurance for all my fuzzies so that money will never be a concern over the decisions that I make for them.
I am very happy for you that you have a wonderful situation, but you've no business judging other people's choices simply because they are not as fortunate as you.
My dogs want for NOTHING.... My dogs are happy and social and loved.
And until you have children, don't you ever compare the two. While loved equally, they are different and you've no business opening up that can of worms.
I would be very interested to know where you got your information that we are all "stay at home moms".
The majority of households have parents that work outside the home, and no... though tempting, I have never kennelled my daughter. My dog however? Yes. He does get kennelled during the day and I find it really intriguing that you would sit there and cast judgement on people for not living the life that you do. Yes, you are very fortunate for having the opportunity to stay at home and be with your babies.... we should all be so fortunate, however some of us are single parents and have homes and cars and yes, DOGS to take care of! As far as vet bills go.... I have pet insurance for all my fuzzies so that money will never be a concern over the decisions that I make for them.
I am very happy for you that you have a wonderful situation, but you've no business judging other people's choices simply because they are not as fortunate as you.
My dogs want for NOTHING.... My dogs are happy and social and loved.
And until you have children, don't you ever compare the two. While loved equally, they are different and you've no business opening up that can of worms.
I beleive i think you ALL agree(i hope):
Yes people can have dogs and work(because they probably have someone who will be home later or can drop by and let it out family daughters..etc)
people who live alone can too even if they dont have anyone to look after him during the day. But if say they work 9 hours AND it is a puppy you will have to go home and let it out(not good bladders) at lunch or something. Though if its a older dog, they can maybe not need a crate and hold it (i dont know). Dogs live for their owners and need peace and quiet, I dont think they'll mind, all they need is their obsession for their owners, and someone to come home and love them when they come home..
Yes people can have dogs and work(because they probably have someone who will be home later or can drop by and let it out family daughters..etc)
people who live alone can too even if they dont have anyone to look after him during the day. But if say they work 9 hours AND it is a puppy you will have to go home and let it out(not good bladders) at lunch or something. Though if its a older dog, they can maybe not need a crate and hold it (i dont know). Dogs live for their owners and need peace and quiet, I dont think they'll mind, all they need is their obsession for their owners, and someone to come home and love them when they come home..
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ROFL! I'm curious where did you hear that?? LOL
I'm not a mom (I'm only 17 lol), but I still have to work! Most people have to work long hours and don't have the luxery of staying home with their pets. I for one split my time between school, work, volunteering, and clubs (clubs are a must for college apps). No Lucas isn't put in a kennel, but he is still at home for at LEAST 6.5 hours when no ones home. Am I a bad dog owner? NO way! lol He gets tons of excercise, love, toys, etc. He is a spoiled bratt lol.
I'm not a mom (I'm only 17 lol), but I still have to work! Most people have to work long hours and don't have the luxery of staying home with their pets. I for one split my time between school, work, volunteering, and clubs (clubs are a must for college apps). No Lucas isn't put in a kennel, but he is still at home for at LEAST 6.5 hours when no ones home. Am I a bad dog owner? NO way! lol He gets tons of excercise, love, toys, etc. He is a spoiled bratt lol.
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Hi Renee. I hope you didn't take what I said about Pet Sitters wrong because I didn't mean to imply anything bad about them.. As you probably know, my mom is a Pet Sitter (thewhitewitchone - who made some people mad in here and is no longer a member). I would trust a pet sitter in my home (after having one over and checking them out, of course). It's just that some people can't afford one (I'm one of them)...and my mom likes to say that she can't even afford herself! LOL
I still don't know why some people have a problem with leaving their dogs alone while they work. Everyone I know does it, including me. Jack doesn't have any social problems (unless you call being TOO friendly a problem).
Roccos...where on Earth did you get the impression that most American women were stay at home moms? My mom worked from the time I was 8 and when she got divorced and had to get a job, I went over to her friends house til she came home. Our dog (a cocker spaniel) stayed home and was FINE. When I got older, I was a "latchkey" kid and our dog at the time (Lhasa Apso) stayed home too and he also was FINE. Neither of the dogs were crated, though.
Anyway, if I could afford a pet sitter, if Jack needed one, I would rather pay someone to take care of my dog than have a friend do it. Why? Because someone who wants to be paid is for sure going to take better care of my dog than a friend or relative that is doing it for free. (This I know from experience with "friends" and relatives). Also, I think a really good pet sitter knows a lot more about dogs than they do because it's their profession.
Renee...what kind of dogs do you have?
Jessie
I still don't know why some people have a problem with leaving their dogs alone while they work. Everyone I know does it, including me. Jack doesn't have any social problems (unless you call being TOO friendly a problem).
Roccos...where on Earth did you get the impression that most American women were stay at home moms? My mom worked from the time I was 8 and when she got divorced and had to get a job, I went over to her friends house til she came home. Our dog (a cocker spaniel) stayed home and was FINE. When I got older, I was a "latchkey" kid and our dog at the time (Lhasa Apso) stayed home too and he also was FINE. Neither of the dogs were crated, though.
Anyway, if I could afford a pet sitter, if Jack needed one, I would rather pay someone to take care of my dog than have a friend do it. Why? Because someone who wants to be paid is for sure going to take better care of my dog than a friend or relative that is doing it for free. (This I know from experience with "friends" and relatives). Also, I think a really good pet sitter knows a lot more about dogs than they do because it's their profession.
Renee...what kind of dogs do you have?
Jessie
well my " info " (I didnt say it was a fact) i get from watching .. oprah , dr phil aso..
and though i realize that every mom in america is not going on oprah, thats the impression i got.Like american moms look down on those who work.
and i am not judging ppl who work i know eventually i´ll get a job too.. i´m just saying that a 9 w old puppy shoulndt be in a cage for close to 20 hours a day .. first while the owners at work and then all night.
with my puppies i took them outside maybe 30 times a day to make sure they knew where to do their "thing" that includes waking up many times every night to take them out.. i cant imagen letting them pee in a crate ( not that i own one ) cuz that cant be healthy and get annoyed when ppl get a freakin litter box so they wont have to ..( take ´em out )
i dont see owning a dog as a human right as some do.. i see it as an awesome responsebility.. and if you work then provide proper care for your dog. i dont really mind crating as long as it´s not for hours on end, and not if it´s a puppy who needs to bond with it´s owner and does not yet have the ability to " hold it ".
i feel like a broken record here ..
LEA
i´m 24 and the girl in the pic is my sister ( who btw is 18 )
and though i realize that every mom in america is not going on oprah, thats the impression i got.Like american moms look down on those who work.
and i am not judging ppl who work i know eventually i´ll get a job too.. i´m just saying that a 9 w old puppy shoulndt be in a cage for close to 20 hours a day .. first while the owners at work and then all night.
with my puppies i took them outside maybe 30 times a day to make sure they knew where to do their "thing" that includes waking up many times every night to take them out.. i cant imagen letting them pee in a crate ( not that i own one ) cuz that cant be healthy and get annoyed when ppl get a freakin litter box so they wont have to ..( take ´em out )
i dont see owning a dog as a human right as some do.. i see it as an awesome responsebility.. and if you work then provide proper care for your dog. i dont really mind crating as long as it´s not for hours on end, and not if it´s a puppy who needs to bond with it´s owner and does not yet have the ability to " hold it ".
i feel like a broken record here ..
LEA
i´m 24 and the girl in the pic is my sister ( who btw is 18 )
Babyblue5290 said:
ROFL! I'm curious where did you hear that?? LOL
I'm not a mom (I'm only 17 lol), but I still have to work! Most people have to work long hours and don't have the luxery of staying home with their pets. I for one split my time between school, work, volunteering, and clubs (clubs are a must for college apps). No Lucas isn't put in a kennel, but he is still at home for at LEAST 6.5 hours when no ones home. Am I a bad dog owner? NO way! lol He gets tons of excercise, love, toys, etc. He is a spoiled bratt lol.
I'm not a mom (I'm only 17 lol), but I still have to work! Most people have to work long hours and don't have the luxery of staying home with their pets. I for one split my time between school, work, volunteering, and clubs (clubs are a must for college apps). No Lucas isn't put in a kennel, but he is still at home for at LEAST 6.5 hours when no ones home. Am I a bad dog owner? NO way! lol He gets tons of excercise, love, toys, etc. He is a spoiled bratt lol.
i´m talking about ppl who crate their dogs during the whole long day.. i belive 4 hours is a good time limit to have but 6 I can live with.
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6 hours 30 mins, monday-friday is the minimum amount of time he spends home by himself.....well him and two other dogs lol
It's usually him home 6.5 hours then I come home for a few mins then I leave again for work and four hours at work I come home. The other peopls schedules very so the times he spends at home by himself varies.
Yeah he is older than 9 weeks lol I think I understnad where your coming from, but I don't think I'd rather have a pup killed rather than have it stay home for a few hours.
It's usually him home 6.5 hours then I come home for a few mins then I leave again for work and four hours at work I come home. The other peopls schedules very so the times he spends at home by himself varies.
Yeah he is older than 9 weeks lol I think I understnad where your coming from, but I don't think I'd rather have a pup killed rather than have it stay home for a few hours.
Not posted on this thread, as I was not sure, where my thought lie, but I agree a dog should not be left alone for more than 8 hours a day, and if its a puppy, this is in my opinion is way too long. I have always had dogs, but have in the past been fortunate in the fact that I had family that would call in to let my dogs have a break whilst I was at work, then I had a job whereby I could take my dog in with me, then I sort of retired after an operation and was here with my dogs full time. but... Even though I have always loved dogs, and have always wanted a dog, if my circumstances were different ie, I had no family to call in to give my dog a break, or I couldnt have taken my dog into work, or I wasnt now at home all day, I would have to say then I wouldnt have had a dog, my circumstances would have told me that this is not fair having a dog cooped up all day, just for my wanting a dog. I dont want to offend those who do have jobs and have to leave their dogs for long lengths of time, but I personally, would not do this as I feel it is unfair to the dog.
Mo
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locked up for 8.5 hours a day? a little long for 13 weeks but not cruel. sorry, I didnt read all 10 pages...does he get let out around lunch time for a potty break?
might make him a little harder to house train and could cause some seperation anxiety, most likely he will only be hyper when he gets let out. only problem I see is that you say his crate is large enough for two of him, it might be a little too big for him to be comfortable, might not. most puppies need a fairly small space, big enough for them to lay down and turn around.
I honestly dont see this as the big deal that so many do. its not ideal but I seriously doubt YOU think it is ideal, we would all love to spend 24 hours a day, 365 days a year with our dogs but for most people that just is not possible and finding someone you trust to come into your home and handle your dog without your presence is difficult.
might make him a little harder to house train and could cause some seperation anxiety, most likely he will only be hyper when he gets let out. only problem I see is that you say his crate is large enough for two of him, it might be a little too big for him to be comfortable, might not. most puppies need a fairly small space, big enough for them to lay down and turn around.
I honestly dont see this as the big deal that so many do. its not ideal but I seriously doubt YOU think it is ideal, we would all love to spend 24 hours a day, 365 days a year with our dogs but for most people that just is not possible and finding someone you trust to come into your home and handle your dog without your presence is difficult.
Mine has regularly 6 hours a day alone. She's 2 yrs old now. When she was younger she was locked in the kitchen when I was gone with all her toys. Now she has run of the house, and sleeps on the couch while I'm at work. Every few days my dad, who lives next door, lets her out for an hour or so to run around while I'm at work.
She was crated for a few months at night as she continually wouldn't signal she had to go out, and I got tired of cleaning the kitchen every morning. 11 or 12 at night to 7 am. (She couldn't sleep in my bedroom as the cat walking by her crate at the time drove her nuts.) Now she sleeps on her bed in my bedroom, and between 5 pm and 11 pm or so I'm her entertainment.
Once she became housebroken and learned to ignore the cat I folded up her crate and haven't opened it back up.
--Mia
She was crated for a few months at night as she continually wouldn't signal she had to go out, and I got tired of cleaning the kitchen every morning. 11 or 12 at night to 7 am. (She couldn't sleep in my bedroom as the cat walking by her crate at the time drove her nuts.) Now she sleeps on her bed in my bedroom, and between 5 pm and 11 pm or so I'm her entertainment.
Once she became housebroken and learned to ignore the cat I folded up her crate and haven't opened it back up.
--Mia
that may be but it is about 8 1/2 hours a day PLUS night time. as long as the owner is providing plenty of training, solializing, love, attention, and excercise thats not a problem. I wouldnt recommend letting a puppy be loose while you are asleep, he/she would most likely chew all sort of things which could make him sick or kill him, and/or have accidents on the floor.
I honestly dont see the problem. if a pup is locked up all that time and ignored while not locked up then yes that is a problem, but doesnt sound like the case here too me.
I honestly dont see the problem. if a pup is locked up all that time and ignored while not locked up then yes that is a problem, but doesnt sound like the case here too me.