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MyDogsLoveMe · Oct 11, 2005

Fran27 said:

I dont disagree with you on that at all. I am a mom with 3 grown children and I have worked in and out of the home and have had pets all my life. I dont work now due to a injury that has left me with 4 rods and 4 screws in my back. I just dont feel that people should be judged if they choose a pet for their families, but still have to work. I know that there are alot of people out there who would love to stay home with their children, but also think of it this way 500 is better than 0.

bubbatd · Oct 11, 2005

I just got into this , and maybe I haven't read enough ... but, as far as puppies go , one of the reasons I gave up breeding Goldens was that too many were crating for too many hours because of working. I recommended rescue .. older dogs who are happy roaming the house for 8 hours waiting for their masters to come home and spend their evening with them. I don't believe babies should be put in day care ...or puppies in cages all day. Money isn't everything .

Julie · Oct 12, 2005

rocco&quiras mama said:

First, Dr Phil and Oprah (especially Dr. Phil) have really messed up people on there. I never thought about the shows making americans look like total nut cases. But to other countries, I guess it is common to think most of us are like the guests on these shows. Glad I don't watch them anymore!!!

For the most part we are hard working people, even if we don't have jobs outside our homes.

As for the normal maternity leave, it used to be 6 weeks, I am not familar with what it is now. My sister n law just had a baby by cesserian and she gets 12 weeks.

I hope you don't watch/get Jerry Springer. If you do I hope you don't think we are all going to our family reunions to get a date. LOL.

With all that being said, what works for one person might not work for another.

I personally think 17 hours per day(24 hours) is way to much time confined to such a small area. I did crate train, key word train. This is not a lifetime thing, at least it shouldn't be. My dogs were in their crates at night, when we were all sleeping. They graduated to full run of the house at about 8 months old, give or take a month for each dog. Rocket was never in a crate she was about 11 months when we got her and was already housebroken (did chew an occasional toy, but oh well).

I am a work at home mom (transcribing, laundry, wiping butts, feeding kids, washing dishes, vacuuming, dusting, changing sheets, hanging out clothes, mowing grass, giving baths, taking son to bus stop, picking son up from bus stop, mopping floors, cleaning up dog hair lol, toy picker upper, nose blower, nurse maid, gift buyer, bill payer, dog pooper scooper, errand runner, grocery shopper, homework boss, taxi driver, and much much more.) Don't tell me I don't have a job, I have dozens of them. And I only get paid for one of them.

I have alot of admiration for working (outside the home) moms, they have to do what I do plus be at a job 40 ? hours a week. I don't see how it can be done. But, you all have my greatest admiration!!!!!!!!!!

We have decided what is best for my children is for me to stay home with them until they are all in school. Well I have two more years, then I will probably go back to work. I am sorry but my dogs will then be left alone for how ever many hours I work. I cannot stay home to watch a dog. I love my dogs and they are treated like family dogs, except they are not children ~ they are dogs. Anyone with children will realize the love for a dog cannot compare to the love of a child. The two can't really be compared. I think I said before somewhere, I wouldn't send my kids out in the backyard to poop.

I can't pay 200 or more dollars a month to feed my dogs, does this mean I shouldn't have them? I think not.
I feed my whole family on just a little more than that per month. plus the dogs get some of our food too.

Sorry to ramble on, but I wanted to also include some options for working peoples dogs, so they see there are options, other than the crate for extended periods of time. ~
*Outside kennel, better yet fenced yard with toys and food and water, this way pup can eliminate when the need hits. Cold weather would be no problem for a chow. (secure fencing of course). I had a chow mix died of old age. Would prefer to sleep out on the ground, even in the snow. lol
*Gate kitchen, let the dog have a little room during your working hours. Clean up would be easy with non carpeted floors.
*gradually give more freedom as training continues.

I love my dogs, and I feel I have provided them with a stable, loving home. We all can do the best with what we are dealt. Working families do deserve dogs, it just might take some extra planning and creative thought.

I have also seen non-working people collecting government funds and their children are neglected and a dog tied in the backyard 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This in my opinion is worse than in a crate for extended periods.

I am not on any side, I think you all are right, but too much of anything is bad. Moderation.......is the key.

Best of Luck,
Julie.

yuckaduck · Oct 12, 2005

Dr Phil would be the last person I would take advice from or listen too. Anyone who claims to toilet train a toddler in one day with never ever having an accident again, is not to be trusted. He claims it on his television show and he even put it in print in his family first book. What a waste of money?

gaddylovesdogs · Oct 29, 2005

I know this is kind of old, just thought this was kind of interesting...

rocco&quiras mama said:

You base your opinion of a entire country on what you see on Oprah and Dr. Phil? I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but isn't that silly? You base your opinion of a huge country on what you see on TV? Wouldn't you think I was silly if I said all French people are snobby and rich because some French are, or that all Germans and Russians are evil because of Hitler and Ivan the Terrible? What if I said Swedes were lazy and selfish because they let the Germans march through their country in WWII?

sparks19 · Oct 29, 2005

I just have to say in response to getting your info from dr phil. HE IS A QUACK. He told a woman to lock her children in their room when they misbehaved :| HELLO THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW. What if a fire broke out and they couldn't get the door unlocked. good idea DR Phil. He's a moron. Therefore any info that comes from him should be taken with a grain of salt in my opinion.

Also I just have to say that telling people they shouldn't own dogs because they work is just silly. How exactly do you buy your dog food and pay its vet bills if you don't work. I guess everyone should just apply for welfare so they can be home with their dogs 24/7. I guess I will head to the welfare office tomorrow. Do you think they will buy that story?

Also when we have children if we can afford to be a single income family I will most definately be a stay at home mom. People work because they have to not because they want to (most people not all) HELL if I could afford to be a stay at home doggy mom you think i wouldn't do it? HAHA you are kidding yourself. i would quit working in a heart beat

doberkim · Oct 30, 2005

ha ha this thread is great .

if i ever having a kid, im definitely moving to sweden, where i can get 13 MONTHS off instead of 13 WEEKS

yuckaduck · Oct 30, 2005

doberkim said:

In Canada you get 12 months off, mother or father whoever is taking care of the child. I am well past my year off but oh well.

yuckaduck · Oct 30, 2005

Potty trains any child in 1/2 day, even instructs how to do it in his family book. Well has not worked for either one of mine, guess they are just special.

I agree he is a quack! He makes money off of yelling at people and bragging to people. I cannot even watch one episode of his talk show because I get so irritated at his behaviour. It is unreall how he treats people and then calls himself their saviour. Yeah right!
If he ever spoke to me or my family like that I would pop him one right in the jaw.

nedim · Oct 31, 2005

Lol, its great how one can base their opinion on an entire civilization from what the media portrays.

Guess you learned alot about a sponge who lives in a pineapple under the sea from watching Nickelodeon then.

Doberluv · Oct 31, 2005

A few things to take care of first:

I love Dr. Phil. He is so right on about a lot of things, maybe not good about some things. I don't watch all the time. I think too, that he is misconstrued by some. Some of those people need a wake up call and that is what he does...a straight shooter. There are parents out there who don't have a clue and are ruining their kids. He's just showing them how to have a little backbone.

Eh-hem....excuse me???????

All these Chihuahua owners? Have you ever heard of the Selkirk Mountain wilderness area in the north panhandle of Idaho? Well, my Chihuahuas, Doberman and I hike these trails nearly every day in very rough terrain sometimes, in grizzly bear, black bear, moose, cougar, elk, deer territory. We hike anywhere from 2 to 9 miles and I never pick up my Chihuahuas. They are very adept hikers, in good shape, negotiating all kinds of downed trees, brush, steep areas etc and keep up, tirelessly with the over all pace of the Doberman....it can be 15 degrees outside in snow and these "mountain" dogs are tough. LOL. (just so we don't have anymore misunderstandings about "ALL" Chihuahua owners) ROFLOL.

(can't see the Chi's in this picture....they're probably right next to me)

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I have only been without a dog for a couple of years when I was first married, otherwise have not been without a dog ever in my over 1/2 century of life. (uggg) Those few years, I thought I'd simply perish without a dog. It was torture, like my insides were being ripped out, I wanted a dog so badly. But I was working at the time 8 hours a day plus more for driving. I could not see any way to raise a puppy properly under those conditions....the pup would be alone all that time. Finally, I stopped working outside of the home and got my GSD puppy. I periodically have again worked outside the home, but only when my dogs were adults.

I still think that for someone working that long, an adult dog is a better choice. Locking a puppy or any dog up all day long without a break or a visit from someone else, in a crate is miserable IMO for the dog. They do not develop normally, do not get the companionship that a pack animal needs, mental or physical stimulation. They are in a box for hours and hours. How can this be OK? Seventeen hours? This is just unimaginable to me. Sorry if that offends anyone, it's unavoidable... but surely there must be someone who could help out. A puppy proof room would be better, but still...all alone? A baby? An adult dog would be a better choice. Or better yet, a cat, a much better suited pet to be solitary.

yz719 · Oct 31, 2005

in response to rocco&quirras mamma

someone with no job that can sit at home all day with their dog has a lot of room to talk. as soon as you have a job and other responsibilities than just your dog, (almost everyone capable of owning a dog, yourself excluded) then you can start heckling the way an owner treats his dog. in my opinion, having to resort to getting a dog sitter every day while your at work is a waste of the other persons time, its your dog, your responsibility.

let the guy keep his puppy in a crate, or a pen, or tied up outside. its none of your business. he takes care of the puppy, feeds the puppy, takes it out when he is home. but heck, the guy has a job and he's a horrible dog owner for it? no! it just means the dog needs to be trained properly. the guy wants his puppy and cares enough about it to learn, so let him.

yz719 · Oct 31, 2005

don't know what happened. this was supposed to go in another thread. sorry

andy. · Oct 31, 2005

work should give you somthing like maternity leave for when you have a new puppy untill its trained and settled in

showpug · Oct 31, 2005

rocco&quiras mama said:

Wow, I wish your facts were straight regarding stay at home moms here in America. Sadly, more and more mothers put their kids in daycare and go to work in this country. In my opinion the world would be a better place if more parents instead of institutions (daycare) raised their children. There is nothing sadder to me than a 6 week old infant being dumped in a daycare to be raised by strangers so the parent can pursure their "career." Afterall, it's all about what they want right? People say "I can't afford to stay home." Well, in some situations i.e. single parent etc. that may be the case but it really comes down to people who are just not willing to sacrifice and cut costs so that they CAN stay home. I am pregnant and will be quitting my job soon to stay home full time with my baby. My husband and I are refinacing vehicles, giving up cable, cell phones, not going out to dinner anymore and giving up many other luxuries we are used to so I can do so. It's about making it work. My father-in-law raised a family of six on one income and my dad supported a family of 4 on a teachers income. He worked two jobs if he had to, but he valued how important it was for young children to be with people that love them, not in daycare. Anyway, that is my rant!!!!! Oh, and to all you stay-at-home moms on this forum, good for you! Don't let anyone ever devalue what an incredible job you have and are brave enough to fulfill.

Doberluv · Oct 31, 2005

LOL Showpug. You got to rant about stay at home people Moms and I got to rant about my tough, capable Chihuahuas. LOL.

Chithedobe · Oct 31, 2005

showpug said:

Thank you showpug. The whole stay at home mom thing is seriously underrated in many people minds. Good for you in making the decision to stay at home with your baby

It's a tough job and I have to admit at times I miss working full time. But I wouldn't trade the last 7 years that I've stayed at home with my daughter for anything, to include all the "stuff" we could afford if I continued to work. That's not to say that those who choose to work are wrong or bad. However, I agree that many who profess the "can't" afford to stay at home would be able to if they were to reasses their finances and make a few sacrifices. I guess I just mean there is a big difference between "can't" or "not willing to make the sacrifices". I realize there are many that truly don't have the choice and commend them for the tireless job of working full time while raising a family.

Doberluv said:

No kidding. My 10 lb Chihuahua mix? run circles around the Dobe pup when it comes to endurance and stamina

sparks19 · Oct 31, 2005

Well tell me what you think is worse.

I work eight hours a day. Teddy has to stay home for those 8 hours alone because i cannot take him to work. When we got Teddy I was not able to work because I was in the states so I spent all day with him all the time. Now that I am back in canada and we are working on immigration for my husband I can work. We are now paying two rents, two sets of bills. We cannot afford for me to just sit at home with the dog right now. So Teddy has to spend 8 hours a day alone then spends the next 16 hours with me.

The other alternative is to give him to a shelter because I now have to work. So he goes from being alone for 8 hours to being penned up in a cage in the shelter surrounded by strange noisy dogs and even stranger people. Wondering where his mommyh and daddy that he loved so much are and why they would put him in such a place.

Yes I can see how that is a much better alternative to leaving your dog at home while you work. GIVE UR HEAD A SHAKE.

its easy to yak off about it when you live with mommy and daddy and don't work for a living. lmfao wait till you get into the real world because you are in for a BIG BIG disappointment.

enjoy yourself

smkie · Nov 1, 2005

a dog (an adult dog) is a very good at waiting..unbelievably good at waiting without complaint. A puppy is another story..There are a lot of dogs waiting for their mums and dads to come home and live long and healthy lives..there are a lot of puppies that are expected to do the same, cannot and there for find themselves either locked outside or at a shelter. For me that is the dividing line. There are also cooperatives like i have, and my friend Kelly has set up where dog people meet and agree to trade off..even a couple days "out" at a friend's dog's house can liven up and create healthy reasons for romping. I know in my heart that if Vic could not play with Shaffer everyday that it is nice outside..i would be doing him harm by keeping him in this little house and no fence. There are always alternatives that are not always obvious.

Chithedobe · Nov 1, 2005

smkie said:

a dog (an adult dog) is a very good at waiting..unbelievably good at waiting without complaint. A puppy is another story..There are a lot of dogs waiting for their mums and dads to come home and live long and healthy lives..there are a lot of puppies that are expected to do the same, cannot and there for find themselves either locked outside or at a shelter. For me that is the dividing line. There are also cooperatives like i have, and my friend Kelly has set up where dog people meet and agree to trade off..even a couple days "out" at a friend's dog's house can liven up and create healthy reasons for romping. I know in my heart that if Vic could not play with Shaffer everyday that it is nice outside..i would be doing him harm by keeping him in this little house and no fence. There are always alternatives that are not always obvious.

You know that is an awesome idea... A co-op for doggie care... I know here on base people do it all the time for child care. Why not incorporate dog care too? Thanks for the idea

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