"Your Lab is overweight!" Is this going to be the story of my life?

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So, today I took Augie to his first day of obedience classes. Augie is a bench bred yellow Labrador, and is therefore a bit more solid and blocky than many of the Labs I see running around, many of which look quite skimpy, to my eyes at least. I got there early because I missed the first "no dogs" class, and although I had spoken to the trainer on the phone, I wanted to have a chat with her before getting started. As it happens, the woman who bred my dog used to teach at the same obedience school, so I mentioned that to the trainer and she was really excited to know that one my breeder's dogs was in her class. She then proceeded to tell me that my dog was overweight. I sort of stammered, embarassed, then told her that my dog had been back to vist the breeder just a week before and I was told he was at the perfect weight and looked fantastic. At that, the trainer said, "Oh well, don't listen to me then, listen to Kim, because she's and incredible breeder and knows what she's talking about."

My former right-hand man, Huck, was a benchy looking pet-bred Lab, who was admittedly on the chunky side, but even when he was in top condition, I was constantly told that my dog was a fatso. I was once at an outdoor cafe and some concerned citizen came over to tell me that I was abusing my dog by letting him get so fat. I suppose I could have explained to him that I excercised my dog constantly and monitored his diet like a hawk, but instead I chose words that would not be suitable for a family-friendly forum such as this one. Admittedly, as Huck got older and arthritic and was not able to move around as much, he did get a bit overweight, but still managed a respectable age of 14 before shuffling off this mortal coil. I also remember some horrible vet-tech with furry teeth telling me I didn't love my dog as much as she loved hers, because Huck had an "old looking collar" (HELLO! He was in and out of water 8 times a day, so his nylon collar got a bit faded) and because he was fat.

Now, I don't expect everyone to be an expert on Labradors and what the different types should look like, and god knows I've seen some hideously porky Labradors waddling around. I realize a trainer is not an all-breed expert, but it was bit disheartening to hear this from a dog professional (even though she totally reversed her opinion) and I wonder if this is what I can expect in the future.

I can understand if people don't like the bench style Labs for their looks, and yes, I have seen some extreme ones, but Augie is not like that. Am I going to spend the rest of my new right-hand man's life explaining to ignorant people that he is NOT fat?

Sorry for the long rant, but I just feel a bit disheartened. On the bright side though, Augie did great in his first day of class, and the trainer used him for lots of demos and even relocated a couple of DA German Shepherds next to him because he was so calm and collected. His "sit" still needs a lot of work though :lol-sign: But the trainer is great and very positive with the dogs. I like the class and so does Augie!
 

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If you want a good 'measure' if your dog is overweight (cause some look it till you put your hands on them) is to feel the back of your hand. Your dogs sides should feel like the back of your hand. If there is any more 'squish' than that... then your dog is fat. If your dog is firm and and you can feel the babump of ribs as you firmly stroke his sides.. then he is fine no matter how blocky he looks.

Many show labs around here ARE very fat. And because they are it becomes 'normal' and people tend not to see it. As an agility instructor I get lots of overweight dogs, who then I have to try to tactfully explain to the owners that their dog's won't be doing jumping, or only small jumps till the dogs loose weight.

Congrats on the class it sounds great!
 

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I get the opposite. People always say Slade is "skinny", because they don't know what a healthy Weim is supposed to look like. Much how a lot of people don't realize that Dals should have tuck up.

I just pointedly (and appropriately pricklish-ly according to the person's approach in making the comment) say "Actually, he's maintaining PERFECT weight right now". And leave it at that.
 

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Sorry to railroad the thread slightly. But I tend to have trouble judging Buster's weight. he has pretty thick fur on his body, its not long, its fluffy but it even makes him look bulkier than he is. I can feel his ribs pretty easily, not quite like the back of my hand but I wonder how much his fur might effect this and don't want to take too much weight off him.
 

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I concur with Dekka.

According to that guideline, Fozzie is a bit too padded. I can feel his ribs, but there's a definite squish. If some one told me he was overweight, especially my trainers, I would agree and discuss it further with them. I have met LOTS of very overweight Corgis. In fact, the majority that I've met are overweight. And most of their owners disregard it as a Corgi thing, when it's really just an unhealthy thing. Just because they are short, stocky dogs does not mean that carrying around excess weight is ok or healthy for them. Fozzie does get lots of exercise - just as much as my super lean Border Collie who is 5 years older. And he doesn't get fed much at all, way less than he would like! But I know I have to work on it, and maybe I will never get him to a point where he can be called "lean", but the responsible thing to do is to keep on working at it. None of us are perfect and none of us have perfect dogs... not in any way/shape/form.

Honestly, what "gets" me about bench Labs is the way that some of the breeders insist that they need all of the excess fat. To me, ribs should be palpable, on any dog, to consider them fit and a good example of the breed. Period. Especially in an athletic working breed! It seems like encouraging extra fat on any dog is going to perpetuate serious health issues, particularly in a breed that is widely plagued by hip & elbow dysplasia. We have a few "skimpy" (lean, athletic, lithe, field) Labs on the forum... and I happen to adore them. :)
 
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What does "bench bred" mean please?

And unless he's ponderously waddling down the road, what gives them the right to say anything?? Sheesh!! I hope all these people that say anything to you are at the perfect weight themselves... or I'd be tempted to comment on that right back at them!!! :D
 

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What does "bench bred" mean please?

And unless he's ponderously waddling down the road, what gives them the right to say anything?? Sheesh!! I hope all these people that say anything to you are at the perfect weight themselves... or I'd be tempted to comment on that right back at them!!! :D
Conformation lines.

Well as an instructor I do talk to people. Often people have NO CLUE that fido is obese. Now I know I am not exactly one to talk.. but I can go to the fridge myself.. Fido can't. I don't say as much for obed classes unless its a young dog. For agility ... well its just irresponsible to let an over weight dog damage itself.

LOL I know I am over weight and still ran around for an hour in deep sand. I wasn't even jumping or climbing over anything and I am in lots of pain. But its my choice.. dogs don't really have a choice.
 

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What does "bench bred" mean please?

And unless he's ponderously waddling down the road, what gives them the right to say anything?? Sheesh!! I hope all these people that say anything to you are at the perfect weight themselves... or I'd be tempted to comment on that right back at them!!! :D
"Bench" bred means bred for dog shows.

I think it's good for people involved with training or caring for dogs to be concerned about the general health of their clients. A LOT of people don't know how to guage what is a good weight for their dog... A LOT of people are in denial... and any dog specialist's primary concern should be for the well-being of the dog. Education is good, and as long as advice is given tactfully, it's irresponsible for them not to say anything.

The difference between a person's weight and a dog's weight is that the dog relies upon the person to keep them healthy.
 
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Can you show us a side on pic of your lab?

Liz was bred for show and has 9 points toward her CH. She's fixed now, though, so no more showing for her :)
 

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Ah, gotcha

From the pics posted though (as best I can see) he looks like a typical bench lab to me, I wouldn't call him over weight at all.
 
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I can see why people think they're overweight. They barely have a "tuck up". So you're saying the lab in that champion picture is at an ideal weight? Easily feel his ribs and backbone? See his ribs at the right angle slightly?

They're definitely different looking from the "regular" labs I usually see.
 

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I can see why people think they're overweight. They barely have a "tuck up". So you're saying the lab in that champion picture is at an ideal weight? Easily feel his ribs and backbone? See his ribs at the right angle slightly?

They're definitely different looking from the "regular" labs I usually see.
Yeah the yellow lab I saw in the dog show last night definitely looked fat. He had no tuck up, no descernible rib. Frankly he looked like a barrel. I have no idea why people think that looks GOOD. :confused:
 
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I would say with the coat a lab carries you would not see rib, even if the dog is lean.

For me and my dogs, I want to be able to feel ribs, feel the top of the pelvic girdle, and see a clear waistline behind the ribs, ESPECIALLY on my young dogs.

When working my dogs I can tell a difference even if they have just a few pounds too many.
 

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I can see why people think they're overweight. They barely have a "tuck up". So you're saying the lab in that champion picture is at an ideal weight? Easily feel his ribs and backbone? See his ribs at the right angle slightly?

They're definitely different looking from the "regular" labs I usually see.
According to the standard, labs are actually supposed to barely tuck up or not at all. With a bench lab you often actually have to put your hands on the dog the get if it is over weight or not (unless it's a hippo or something).

There was an exhaustive thread about this on my lab board. One member has a male show lab that she allowed another handler to take to their kennel while she was laid up with an injury. The dog did not do well at the kennel and lost a lot of weight. She posted pics of him at this low weight. You could see many of the dogs ribs--he was obviously much less than he should be, but there still was almost no tuck to the dog. It has a lot to do with how the ribs are sprung.

Jack is bench bred but he his ribs are not well sprung and he is thereforre a bit slab-sided.

Part of the standard:

-The Labrador should be short-coupled, with good spring of ribs tapering to a moderately wide chest. The Labrador should not be narrow chested; giving the appearance of hollowness between the front legs, nor should it have a wide spreading, bulldog-like front. Correct chest conformation will result in tapering between the front legs that allows unrestricted forelimb movement. Chest breadth that is either too wide or too narrow for efficient movement and stamina is incorrect. Slab-sided individuals are not typical of the breed; equally objectionable are rotund or barrel chested specimens. The underline is almost straight, with little or no tuck-up in mature animals. Loins should be short, wide and strong; extending to well developed, powerful hindquarters. When viewed from the side, the Labrador Retriever shows a well-developed, but not exaggerated forechest.
 
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I understand about the tuck up. But can you still easily feel his ribs? As in, he has a nice coat but no huge layer of fat between the coat and the ribs? Can you easily feel his backbone?

If so, then he's just what we used to call husky - built different from lots of others but definitely not fat - just a different structure.

Maybe you should get him a t-shirt that says something like, "No, I'm not fat! I'm supposed to look this way!!" :)
 

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