Your Definition of Ethics
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Ihaven't read all these pages, but this isn't even close to the same thing. I have no problem mixing breeds. I get some for working dogs to out cross for health benefits and making a better working dog, this is being done for a reason.
Now mixing two and saying you get the smartest, most intelligent, most loving, non shedding, never barking, sweetest, best super pet in the whole wide world because they only get the best traits from, this may or may not be golden retriever we found on the side of the road and this poodle that was found in the paper for free and charging 2K or more for puppies is a totally different story. It has absolutely nothing to do with being racist
Now mixing two and saying you get the smartest, most intelligent, most loving, non shedding, never barking, sweetest, best super pet in the whole wide world because they only get the best traits from, this may or may not be golden retriever we found on the side of the road and this poodle that was found in the paper for free and charging 2K or more for puppies is a totally different story. It has absolutely nothing to do with being racist
What if I were to tell you that I thought that before someone even planned on having children they should be tested for genetic disorders that can be passed on?
What if I were to tell you that I thought every life brought into this world deserves as much chance as possible to live a life free of inheritied disorders?
But thats besides the point, breeding dogs has nothing to do with humans having babies.
What is the difference? A person with a history of health disorders has the ability to make a decision for themselves. They have the ability to come to their own conclusions on whether or not they can or should have children.
A dog can only breed if you allow it to breed. A dog has no concept of what is responsible breeding, it is up to the owner to make that decision.
This sounds like something a byb, pm'er or one of their supporters would say to me.
Isn't this statement in their big book of excuses?
If not now I am sure they will quickly add it to the list.
Racism has nothing to do with being against the breeding of mixed breed dogs...
It has everything to do with being a/or supporting responsible breeders/breeding.
Breeding mixes is considered unethical in the canine fancy. There is a code of ethics in breeding dogs.
What if I were to tell you that I thought every life brought into this world deserves as much chance as possible to live a life free of inheritied disorders?
But thats besides the point, breeding dogs has nothing to do with humans having babies.
What is the difference? A person with a history of health disorders has the ability to make a decision for themselves. They have the ability to come to their own conclusions on whether or not they can or should have children.
A dog can only breed if you allow it to breed. A dog has no concept of what is responsible breeding, it is up to the owner to make that decision.
This sounds like something a byb, pm'er or one of their supporters would say to me.
Isn't this statement in their big book of excuses?
If not now I am sure they will quickly add it to the list.
Racism has nothing to do with being against the breeding of mixed breed dogs...
It has everything to do with being a/or supporting responsible breeders/breeding.
Breeding mixes is considered unethical in the canine fancy. There is a code of ethics in breeding dogs.
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I just checked their website and you can purchase it there.
I would suggest switching her to it. But do it very, very gradually mixing it into the Iams until you have her switched over.
I would suggest switching her to any of the Nutro Puppy foods, since she is lactating and then feeding the puppies the same. You can also buy canned Nutro Puppy food for when you start to wean the pups.
After she is done with the puppies I would put her on Nutro Natural Choice Lamb Meal & Rice Small Bites, Nutro Max Mini Chunk or Nutro Ultra Adult which is a holistic dog food. It costs more that the other two lines and there are not as many choices because it is fairly new but if you like holistic foods its the way to go.
Maybe you should check out their site. Its very informative.
http://www.nutroproducts.com/
I would suggest switching her to it. But do it very, very gradually mixing it into the Iams until you have her switched over.
I would suggest switching her to any of the Nutro Puppy foods, since she is lactating and then feeding the puppies the same. You can also buy canned Nutro Puppy food for when you start to wean the pups.
After she is done with the puppies I would put her on Nutro Natural Choice Lamb Meal & Rice Small Bites, Nutro Max Mini Chunk or Nutro Ultra Adult which is a holistic dog food. It costs more that the other two lines and there are not as many choices because it is fairly new but if you like holistic foods its the way to go.
Maybe you should check out their site. Its very informative.
http://www.nutroproducts.com/
From what I've heard Nutro isn't the best out there.
I'm in the process of switching to Eagle Pack.
www.eaglepack.com
I called them yesterday and spoke with a "nutrionist" there. They're great! They'll take all the time you want and answer all of your questions.
I'm in the process of switching to Eagle Pack.
www.eaglepack.com
I called them yesterday and spoke with a "nutrionist" there. They're great! They'll take all the time you want and answer all of your questions.
Then I would say you have every right to say that dogs should go through all the screening.
I believe that too. But there is never a guarantee that inheriteted disorders won't happen.
I was just making a point. If 2 people have a child and there are known disorders that runs one or both families, do they get hacked on for not being responsible parents?
And so do dog owners. They have that choice on breeding dogs.
And ethics are all opinion. Everyone has a different one.
I believe that too. But there is never a guarantee that inheriteted disorders won't happen.
I was just making a point. If 2 people have a child and there are known disorders that runs one or both families, do they get hacked on for not being responsible parents?
And so do dog owners. They have that choice on breeding dogs.
And ethics are all opinion. Everyone has a different one.
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I am a vet assistant and I have worked closely with nutritionists. You are right Roxy's CD they are great. The ones I deal with agree that Nutro is good but then again everyone has their own opinions. Eaglepack is also very good food. I can't get it where I live though. I would have to drive a great distance.
In my opinion, an ethical breeder is one who takes care of their dogs. If they're breeding labradoodles, pugs or mutts, they have to care for their animals as well as possible - they have to provide decent food, a clean living area, thorough vet care and a good partnership relationship with a human.
Finer points - I believe anyone breeding for show or pet homes has an absolute responsibility to make a gentle temperament their first priority. I don't care if the breed was originally intended to kill bears or guard estates, the puppies are going to be living in normal 21st-century homes and all the breed history in the world doesn't justify creating another generation of dangerous dogs. There are more than enough in the world already. The only exceptions are for people who breed exclusively for working dogs - dogs who, if they aren't good enough to work, will not be simply released to the general, unprepared population of would-be pet owners. This is a tiny subsection of the dog world.
I believe that it's possible that breeding mutts or 'pet-quality' dogs is a good thing. It's true that there are many dogs in shelters who need homes, but it's also true that many of those dogs are unsuitable for the majority of available homes. I love all three of my shelter dogs, and have never had any interest in breeding dogs, btw, I just think that playing the numbers game - there are 3 gazillion dogs in the shelter, and that labradoodle just doomed one! - is pointless. That argument behaves as if all dogs are equal. I'd rather have my shelter mutt than any purebred at the local AKC show, but I'd rather spend $1000 for a purebred than $50 for an ill-natured shelter dog.
The breeders who are really destroying dogs are puppy mill operators and the people who breed so-called fighting dogs. These are the dogs who, when they end up in shelters, are the most likely to be unadoptable, unhealthy and nasty. They create the large numbers of puppies and dogs who become unwanted every day. The lazy guy who never got around to neutering his dog, or the woman who wants her kids to experience the wonder of puppies before neutering their pet - they might not be the most responsible of owners but their output is just a drop in the bucket compared to the people who produce thousands of litters a year for pet shops and the people who intentionally produce aggressive dogs for fighting/posturing. The worst 'doodle breeder in the world would blush to be as openly craven and greedy as these two.
Finer points - I believe anyone breeding for show or pet homes has an absolute responsibility to make a gentle temperament their first priority. I don't care if the breed was originally intended to kill bears or guard estates, the puppies are going to be living in normal 21st-century homes and all the breed history in the world doesn't justify creating another generation of dangerous dogs. There are more than enough in the world already. The only exceptions are for people who breed exclusively for working dogs - dogs who, if they aren't good enough to work, will not be simply released to the general, unprepared population of would-be pet owners. This is a tiny subsection of the dog world.
I believe that it's possible that breeding mutts or 'pet-quality' dogs is a good thing. It's true that there are many dogs in shelters who need homes, but it's also true that many of those dogs are unsuitable for the majority of available homes. I love all three of my shelter dogs, and have never had any interest in breeding dogs, btw, I just think that playing the numbers game - there are 3 gazillion dogs in the shelter, and that labradoodle just doomed one! - is pointless. That argument behaves as if all dogs are equal. I'd rather have my shelter mutt than any purebred at the local AKC show, but I'd rather spend $1000 for a purebred than $50 for an ill-natured shelter dog.
The breeders who are really destroying dogs are puppy mill operators and the people who breed so-called fighting dogs. These are the dogs who, when they end up in shelters, are the most likely to be unadoptable, unhealthy and nasty. They create the large numbers of puppies and dogs who become unwanted every day. The lazy guy who never got around to neutering his dog, or the woman who wants her kids to experience the wonder of puppies before neutering their pet - they might not be the most responsible of owners but their output is just a drop in the bucket compared to the people who produce thousands of litters a year for pet shops and the people who intentionally produce aggressive dogs for fighting/posturing. The worst 'doodle breeder in the world would blush to be as openly craven and greedy as these two.
Thank you for saying that.
You are right. In genetics there are no guarantees but genetic screening is the ONLY way to reduce the risks of passing on painful genetic disorders and each life deserves that chance.
Of course not, but humans are not dogs.
A person has the ability to make a logical decision when it comes to having children.
They have the ability to speak with a health care provider and make an informed decision on what risks there are of passing on a disease to a child.
Fluffy cant sit there and say "I'd like to have puppies with Fido but I got hip dysplasia so lets discuss these options with the vet and see what he thinks"
Fluffy can only breed if you allow her to breed. It is up to you to be responsible for her.
And if they choose to breed, they have a commitment to only breed dogs that are totally, completely, and utterly sound in every way.
The code of ethics in breeding is set forth by each breeds national club. You can not pick and choose the parts that work for you and ignore the ones that don't.
If a code of ethics is set forth you either follow it or you don't.
You are right. In genetics there are no guarantees but genetic screening is the ONLY way to reduce the risks of passing on painful genetic disorders and each life deserves that chance.
Of course not, but humans are not dogs.
A person has the ability to make a logical decision when it comes to having children.
They have the ability to speak with a health care provider and make an informed decision on what risks there are of passing on a disease to a child.
Fluffy cant sit there and say "I'd like to have puppies with Fido but I got hip dysplasia so lets discuss these options with the vet and see what he thinks"
Fluffy can only breed if you allow her to breed. It is up to you to be responsible for her.
And if they choose to breed, they have a commitment to only breed dogs that are totally, completely, and utterly sound in every way.
The code of ethics in breeding is set forth by each breeds national club. You can not pick and choose the parts that work for you and ignore the ones that don't.
If a code of ethics is set forth you either follow it or you don't.
savethebulliedbreeds You can only get what's available to you. 
ChiBree Are there any high end pet stores that carry better foods? If so, just call them and write down what brands they carry. Everyone has a different brand that they like, but I'm sure a lot of people here can help you out as to choose a good high end dog food.
ChiBree Are there any high end pet stores that carry better foods? If so, just call them and write down what brands they carry. Everyone has a different brand that they like, but I'm sure a lot of people here can help you out as to choose a good high end dog food.
Check out Mordy's site www.dogfoodproject.com
And I think your bitch is supposed to be on a puppy food with extras, isn't she? I've never bred so don't know.
Also the food forum has lots of good foods listed but it all depends on the needs of your particular dog. Mordy is the person to ask for advice.
Some common brands
Innova www.naturapet.com
Candiae www.candiae.com ?
Eagle Pack www.eaglepack.com
.. there's lots
And I think your bitch is supposed to be on a puppy food with extras, isn't she? I've never bred so don't know.
Also the food forum has lots of good foods listed but it all depends on the needs of your particular dog. Mordy is the person to ask for advice.
Some common brands
Innova www.naturapet.com
Candiae www.candiae.com ?
Eagle Pack www.eaglepack.com
.. there's lots