Why crop ears?
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for the record those of us on the non cropping side of the issue never got confrontational. you guys have a perspective on the issue and claim to be well educated on it, and yet you complain when people want to know WHY you feel the way you do??? the topic started out as why crop ears. you answered "because we like it". okay great, but then the topic became what are the benifits and down sides to it and you got angry and aggressive. then we wondered why you like it better, and you got beligerent. that is not what this forum is about, if you are going to claim to be the pros on a subject then prove it and answer our questions and have a POLITE discussion/argument. do you know how many times a week people ask me similar questions about german shepherds??? hundreds! do you know how many times I get as fed up with them as you have gotten with people on this thread? never!!!
I totally smell a troll. as I told chazhound, I am a moderator on a german shepherd forum and manchesters would have been shot down there a long time ago.
I totally smell a troll. as I told chazhound, I am a moderator on a german shepherd forum and manchesters would have been shot down there a long time ago.
It was asked why are ears cropped besides the look of them. I put up a good website (I thought) which explained a few things about it. No one ever seems to want to take a moment for one little 'ole page to load. Many questions might be answered there. I'll see if I can find out more about the medical aspect of the procedure when I feel like taking the time to do so. (If that would be of interest) I somehow think it would not. But I did explain what my breeder told me about the experience of the procedure and it didn't seem very bad at all...somewhat...yes. But within a few days, the pups were fine. I visited them when they had their little cups on their heads, about a week after they were cropped. The pups were all wrestling, pawing heads, climbing on eachother, bashing into eachother's ears and I never noticed any one of them wince. They were rambunctious as they come. LOL.
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Pot Kettle Black Again????
Look stirder, you have problems. They are YOUR problems not mine. If you do not know that anything posted IN A PUBLIC FORUM IS NOT PRIVATE, then you have a problem. And to try to ridicule me because I responded to a public post does not put you in a good light. I did not share it with anyone THEY did!!!!! Geee.
As far as cropping, and the benefits, you are supposed to be a German Shepherd expert, you should KNOW the benefit of an upright ear as opposed to a drop ear. You are the one trying to stir up stupidity. Oh, and it is spelled A-S-I-N_I-N-E.
Toodles.............
Look stirder, you have problems. They are YOUR problems not mine. If you do not know that anything posted IN A PUBLIC FORUM IS NOT PRIVATE, then you have a problem. And to try to ridicule me because I responded to a public post does not put you in a good light. I did not share it with anyone THEY did!!!!! Geee.
As far as cropping, and the benefits, you are supposed to be a German Shepherd expert, you should KNOW the benefit of an upright ear as opposed to a drop ear. You are the one trying to stir up stupidity. Oh, and it is spelled A-S-I-N_I-N-E.
Toodles.............
Uh huh, and I wonder how many people think I am the troll, I don't try to put everyone down and get a rise out of people for the mere fun of it. Persoanly I have better things to do like raise my children and take care of my three dogs, three rabbits, one hamster, and a mouse. Whose name by the way happens to be M I C K E Y!
And yes I have raised two litters of pups...one of CO's and one of APBT's. The APBT was a mistake litter and I felt horrid about it but they were all healthy and survived and all went to excellent homes based on contracts. Except for the one I had to go and remove because I felt the owner was jogging him to far for being such a little guy.
And yes I have raised two litters of pups...one of CO's and one of APBT's. The APBT was a mistake litter and I felt horrid about it but they were all healthy and survived and all went to excellent homes based on contracts. Except for the one I had to go and remove because I felt the owner was jogging him to far for being such a little guy.
Well, I don't know much about breeding at all. When I was a little kid, our dog had a couple of litters of pups. But I don't remember much about that. I leave that up to reputable breeders. I leave the medical end of it up to vets. Grooming! Ha! I'd make a real botch if I had to clip a dog. That's a groomer's job or someone who does know how to do it. That's why I go with short haired dogs. Training.....I know a little something about training. I've gone to college and studied animal behavior, canines being my main interest. I've trained dogs and horses for a lot of years. (love horses! LOL) I'm always obsessed with learning more. I see there is so much more to find out about and it is really interesting to me. So, that's where I concentrate. And the other thing I concentrate on is just plain enjoying my wonderful dogs' personalities and companionship. That is what we're all here for, undoubtedly. So, let's get on with it.
What i can't figure out is why people say that dogs don't get a say in the cropping and docking and they would choose to keep their big ol puppy ears and whiplike tails.
I'll throw this out, do you think a male dog would ask to have his testicles taken out or a female would ask to have her ovaries out (which is more risky than the other procedures we are talking about here)?! I don't think so, we do it b/c as owners we try to make the best informed decision as to the well being and health of our pets.
I'll throw this out, do you think a male dog would ask to have his testicles taken out or a female would ask to have her ovaries out (which is more risky than the other procedures we are talking about here)?! I don't think so, we do it b/c as owners we try to make the best informed decision as to the well being and health of our pets.
"for the record those of us on the non cropping side of the issue never got confrontational. you guys have a perspective on the issue and claim to be well educated on it, and yet you complain when people want to know WHY you feel the way you do??? the topic started out as why crop ears. you answered "because we like it". okay great, but then the topic became what are the benifits and down sides to it and you got angry and aggressive. then we wondered why you like it better, and you got beligerent."
We are beligerant because we hear this every day on all pet forums and it gets old quick having to explain to people who have no clue about it why it is a good thing. And it isn't all just personel choice. Our breeder had an emergency when the pups were ten weeks old so she said I can crop and you can take them or I can have them the extra two weeks and you can not crop. We wanted him to have the extra two weeks so we didn't plan on cropping. A couple days after we get him he gets an ear infection and he ws in so much pain he just kept his head at one leval. Our vet at the time kept him overnight to try to fix it a couple times and it didn't help. He made his point well known that he was against cropping because it was onoly for looks. We finally took him to our horses vet who told us to crop him or get some surgery done to remove a part of his inner ear. We went and looked for a vet to crop and we finally found one that would work with his ear infection but only after they kept him a couple days. The day he came home was the first day he actually played. He had us rubbing his ears that night. Tell me how much pain my dog was in,because it was alll better.
Now if this was illegal there are no exceptions for my boy and what would have happened to him? It isn't common for this to happen but for the couple of dogs it happens to,my dog,cropping needs to be an option.
And you can't tell me its easier to grab a cropped ear. I also can't see why you don't understand why a shepherds tail isn't cropped?! Have you ever looked at these dogs? Shepherds and labs have thick tails. But even with that I have seen plenty of labs with tail injuries but maybe thats because I see dogs that are actually worked.
I also agree that no good breeder would regularly let a pup go without crop and dock. If her husband hadn't gotten hurt my boy would have came home cropped and never had the infection. OYu don't want to buy from a breeder who doesn't care about her dogs image nad the crop is part of the image.
There are old threads on this you should read. I just get sick of people saying its cruel and mean when they have no clue about it. It isn't that we do this because WE get off on pain. We do it for our dogs that we love very much. I want my dog to lok how the breed is meant to.
Here is my boys dogster page. The pic with his floppy ears is one of his sick days and you can see how unhappy he looks. http://www.dogster.com/?23112
Look at him and tell me he is abused and went through plain for my pleasure. Even if we didn't live on a farm or if he wasn't ever walked through the woods i would still crop every dobe i get from now on because that is their history and what gives them their regal look and I love everyhting about the breed.
We are beligerant because we hear this every day on all pet forums and it gets old quick having to explain to people who have no clue about it why it is a good thing. And it isn't all just personel choice. Our breeder had an emergency when the pups were ten weeks old so she said I can crop and you can take them or I can have them the extra two weeks and you can not crop. We wanted him to have the extra two weeks so we didn't plan on cropping. A couple days after we get him he gets an ear infection and he ws in so much pain he just kept his head at one leval. Our vet at the time kept him overnight to try to fix it a couple times and it didn't help. He made his point well known that he was against cropping because it was onoly for looks. We finally took him to our horses vet who told us to crop him or get some surgery done to remove a part of his inner ear. We went and looked for a vet to crop and we finally found one that would work with his ear infection but only after they kept him a couple days. The day he came home was the first day he actually played. He had us rubbing his ears that night. Tell me how much pain my dog was in,because it was alll better.
Now if this was illegal there are no exceptions for my boy and what would have happened to him? It isn't common for this to happen but for the couple of dogs it happens to,my dog,cropping needs to be an option.
And you can't tell me its easier to grab a cropped ear. I also can't see why you don't understand why a shepherds tail isn't cropped?! Have you ever looked at these dogs? Shepherds and labs have thick tails. But even with that I have seen plenty of labs with tail injuries but maybe thats because I see dogs that are actually worked.
I also agree that no good breeder would regularly let a pup go without crop and dock. If her husband hadn't gotten hurt my boy would have came home cropped and never had the infection. OYu don't want to buy from a breeder who doesn't care about her dogs image nad the crop is part of the image.
There are old threads on this you should read. I just get sick of people saying its cruel and mean when they have no clue about it. It isn't that we do this because WE get off on pain. We do it for our dogs that we love very much. I want my dog to lok how the breed is meant to.
Here is my boys dogster page. The pic with his floppy ears is one of his sick days and you can see how unhappy he looks. http://www.dogster.com/?23112
Look at him and tell me he is abused and went through plain for my pleasure. Even if we didn't live on a farm or if he wasn't ever walked through the woods i would still crop every dobe i get from now on because that is their history and what gives them their regal look and I love everyhting about the breed.
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if you get tired of talking about it then stay out of the conversation, how hard is that? as I said I get asked the same questions every day by countless people. always the same questions about gsd's. I didnt say I dont understand why gsd's dont have docked tails, I used them as an example without thinking and it was obviously a bad example.
it is PURELY for asthetics and as a schutzhund trainer yes I can tell you, and if you want to come visit I will show you, that it is easier to grab the ears of a cropped dog. assuming by cropped ears we are talking about the modern doberman crop and not the original crop.
yes it improves their hearing. unless you have a working dog, I dont mean a working breed, I mean you are in the military with a sentry dog or similar job, the hearing improvement is inconsequential. with flop ears the doberman will still know if someone is trying to break in before they get in.
as I said, if you want to be respected and tell people that you know more than them, then you have to be willing to politely prove it and educate others. if you get agravated at constantly being asked...ignore the thread.
it is PURELY for asthetics and as a schutzhund trainer yes I can tell you, and if you want to come visit I will show you, that it is easier to grab the ears of a cropped dog. assuming by cropped ears we are talking about the modern doberman crop and not the original crop.
yes it improves their hearing. unless you have a working dog, I dont mean a working breed, I mean you are in the military with a sentry dog or similar job, the hearing improvement is inconsequential. with flop ears the doberman will still know if someone is trying to break in before they get in.
as I said, if you want to be respected and tell people that you know more than them, then you have to be willing to politely prove it and educate others. if you get agravated at constantly being asked...ignore the thread.
Oh, so now in order for a dog to be called a working dog, it has to be in the military? That's a lot of baloney. My dog is a working dog. He has a job. He is my protector and has proven it on a few occasions already in his two years of age. He has sprung to my defence, gone in front of me twice in regards to an intruder. He defended my property once when I wasn't home and my niece was here. He protected the house and her when someone entered. And his hearing played a big role. His look played a big role. His gnashing teeth played a big role.
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Well Now.....
The answer to all of this lies in the fact that these purebred dogs are MAN MADE. And they are designed to look the way man wants them to look. Period. Louis Dobermann wanted the dog HE invented to have close cropped ears and a docked tail. So be it!!!!!!
The same holds true for the appearance of every man made breed. But it is interesting that (has been pointed out) all wild canids have upright ears!! Those of us with cropped breeds crop because that is the way the dog is SUPPOSED to look, and that is the look we like. I do NOT like the hound dog look at all, lol.
The answer to all of this lies in the fact that these purebred dogs are MAN MADE. And they are designed to look the way man wants them to look. Period. Louis Dobermann wanted the dog HE invented to have close cropped ears and a docked tail. So be it!!!!!!
The same holds true for the appearance of every man made breed. But it is interesting that (has been pointed out) all wild canids have upright ears!! Those of us with cropped breeds crop because that is the way the dog is SUPPOSED to look, and that is the look we like. I do NOT like the hound dog look at all, lol.
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Thank You, Adrienne
Oh boy, I guess I am really OLDer than I realized!
"The above M-I-C-K-E-Y.... why because we love you" is from the theme song of the Mickey Mouse Club. M-O-U-S-E. When I was typing out A-D-R etc, etc, it just popped into my head.
Thank you for answering my question about breeding. You already have it over me. I do not have any idea what B.O.s could be. (in my previous life as a poster here I would have said "smelly puppies" because BO also means body odor.)
Sadly all of us who breed have had a ooops litter in our history. My first oops litter resulted in __12__ Whippet puppies!!!!! They were so darned cute! I still have 5 of the pups (now 13 years old in Nov)
And I still have momma, who is 15 1/2 now.
There is much that goes into raising pups mentally and emotionally. Especially when dealing with Whippet pups and Manchesters that are little devils in disguise, lol.
To be a breeder, you have to be self assured in what you do, and stand by what you do and say. That tends to carry over to most aspects of life. My attitude is don't tell me I am wrong.....give me the facts, and I will research the matter myself.
The fact that two people are both strong willed and stubborn does not make either of them wrong. As long as nobody does anything really stupid, we just have to let people have their own opinions. If they are wrong in what they do, it will eventually work its way to the surface! It always does. Ain't nuttin wrong with butting heads as long as there is no meanness involved. I hate to be mean. Sometimes tho I just get so frustrated it does slip out once in a while. And I am not the most patient person in the world. AND I have NO USE for that political correctness bullhockey! I call a spade a spade. If someone else thinks it looks like a club, then that person just needs to get glasses, lol.
Anyway, I am mentally and emotionally drained. Too much time sitting upright, too much time spent thinking, and too much turmoil for one day. Getting old is a real bother, believe me. No endurance anymore!
A good night to all.
Oh boy, I guess I am really OLDer than I realized!
"The above M-I-C-K-E-Y.... why because we love you" is from the theme song of the Mickey Mouse Club. M-O-U-S-E. When I was typing out A-D-R etc, etc, it just popped into my head.
Thank you for answering my question about breeding. You already have it over me. I do not have any idea what B.O.s could be. (in my previous life as a poster here I would have said "smelly puppies" because BO also means body odor.)
Sadly all of us who breed have had a ooops litter in our history. My first oops litter resulted in __12__ Whippet puppies!!!!! They were so darned cute! I still have 5 of the pups (now 13 years old in Nov)
And I still have momma, who is 15 1/2 now.
There is much that goes into raising pups mentally and emotionally. Especially when dealing with Whippet pups and Manchesters that are little devils in disguise, lol.
To be a breeder, you have to be self assured in what you do, and stand by what you do and say. That tends to carry over to most aspects of life. My attitude is don't tell me I am wrong.....give me the facts, and I will research the matter myself.
The fact that two people are both strong willed and stubborn does not make either of them wrong. As long as nobody does anything really stupid, we just have to let people have their own opinions. If they are wrong in what they do, it will eventually work its way to the surface! It always does. Ain't nuttin wrong with butting heads as long as there is no meanness involved. I hate to be mean. Sometimes tho I just get so frustrated it does slip out once in a while. And I am not the most patient person in the world. AND I have NO USE for that political correctness bullhockey! I call a spade a spade. If someone else thinks it looks like a club, then that person just needs to get glasses, lol.
Anyway, I am mentally and emotionally drained. Too much time sitting upright, too much time spent thinking, and too much turmoil for one day. Getting old is a real bother, believe me. No endurance anymore!
A good night to all.
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Who Are These Morons
That keep asking you stupid questions about GSDs? Also, since you are a great SCH person, just how many dogs have you titled? What are their names and degrees? Hhhmmmmm? I find it difficult to believe someone who knows as little as you do about dogs in general is a great Schutzhund wizard. Haven't heard you say a word about obedience training either, which is a prerequisite to Schutzhund training.
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!
And speaking of rude and uncouth............well, never mind.
That keep asking you stupid questions about GSDs? Also, since you are a great SCH person, just how many dogs have you titled? What are their names and degrees? Hhhmmmmm? I find it difficult to believe someone who knows as little as you do about dogs in general is a great Schutzhund wizard. Haven't heard you say a word about obedience training either, which is a prerequisite to Schutzhund training.
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!
And speaking of rude and uncouth............well, never mind.
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She is Gorgeous
I saw the other head shot you had of her in one of your posts. Very sweet. Bet you had fun raising those pups, rofl. Like I had raising a few litters of Doberman puppies! What an experience that was. First litter was only 5 pups. But later when I bred a b*tch out of that litter, she has 11 puppies!!!!!! And they were the big boned type that weighed about 12 pounds at 6 weeks, and took up a ton of space.
After the second litter when she had 10 pups, out of a Hawaiian import, I had her spayed! It took a long time to get over the trauma!
What made you decide on getting an O.C. (oh, as an aside, I started watch The O.C. About a year ago. Had no clue what OC was. I thought it was "Outcasts". My sister finally told me it stand for The Orange Coast, rofl. Live and learn! It did turn out to be a good show, too. I shall copy and paste the name of the breed and look them up online. No way I could spell it, roflmbo.
I saw the other head shot you had of her in one of your posts. Very sweet. Bet you had fun raising those pups, rofl. Like I had raising a few litters of Doberman puppies! What an experience that was. First litter was only 5 pups. But later when I bred a b*tch out of that litter, she has 11 puppies!!!!!! And they were the big boned type that weighed about 12 pounds at 6 weeks, and took up a ton of space.
After the second litter when she had 10 pups, out of a Hawaiian import, I had her spayed! It took a long time to get over the trauma!
What made you decide on getting an O.C. (oh, as an aside, I started watch The O.C. About a year ago. Had no clue what OC was. I thought it was "Outcasts". My sister finally told me it stand for The Orange Coast, rofl. Live and learn! It did turn out to be a good show, too. I shall copy and paste the name of the breed and look them up online. No way I could spell it, roflmbo.