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Now come on guys, there are significant benefits to feeding raw food. (Even though these dogs are just... ugh). These guys may be arrogant and have come on WAY too strong, but is it necessary to turn this into a raw *bashing* thread?
I feed raw... But according to the powers above i feed the wrong type of raw... I'm also in the camp of not every dog can eat the exact same thing as every other dog out there.
 

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I'm not bashing raw. I'm just pointing out that is it obviously not ideal and not right for every single dog. Mostly, it is obviously not right for those dogs pictured above.
Ever think that maybe their owner is overfeeding them? Just because you feed raw doesn't mean that they're impervious to weight gain due to overfeeding :rolleyes:

3 of our dogs would maintain their weight on their own if left to free feed. 1 would eat herself til she popped

ETA: Back to cooking...
 

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Now come on guys, there are significant benefits to feeding raw food. (Even though these dogs are just... ugh). These guys may be arrogant and have come on WAY too strong, but is it necessary to turn this into a raw *bashing* thread?
Do you mean by my link? I'm not trying to bash raw feeders, heck I'm trying to go raw myself, its just something that came into mind when I was reading this thread.
 

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Since this website is pointed out to be a good information source on raw, one would think that the people writing the site knew what they were talking about. Also, if referenced to in the self proclaimed perfect raw feeder's good information page, they are obviously an example... Why would they be a good example of raw feeders if they can't maintain a healthy weight?
 

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Since this website is pointed out to be a good information source on raw, one would think that the people writing the site knew what they were talking about. Also, if referenced to in the self proclaimed perfect raw feeder's good information page, they are obviously an example... Why would they be a good example of raw feeders if they can't maintain a healthy weight?
This is a very good point IMO and wait patiently to hear the explanation by RFD.

And Nilly, I don't think ANYONE in this thread is attempting to bash RAW.......the only thing under any sort of scrutiny here is the attitude of "There is ONLY one way to feed your dog for it to be healthy and happy" THIS WAY OR YOU ARE WRONG and it supposedly works for 100% of canines 100% of the time........that's the issue under debate really.
 

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This is a very good point IMO and wait patiently to hear the explanation by RFD.

And Nilly, I don't think ANYONE in this thread is attempting to bash RAW.......the only thing under any sort of scrutiny here is the attitude of "There is ONLY one way to feed your dog for it to be healthy and happy" THIS WAY OR YOU ARE WRONG and it supposedly works for 100% of canines 100% of the time........that's the issue under debate really.
Gotcha :) We're all on the same page then!
 

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Since this website is pointed out to be a good information source on raw, one would think that the people writing the site knew what they were talking about. Also, if referenced to in the self proclaimed perfect raw feeder's good information page, they are obviously an example... Why would they be a good example of raw feeders if they can't maintain a healthy weight?
^That.

And it's really not just weight, those dogs have lots of skin and coat issues by the looks of the pictures too.
 

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I don't really care why I shouldn't be feeding Ivan veggies. Because here veggies(for bait)= NO stink vs. comercial bait/cookies= One STINKY DOG. Veggies with dinner= more water consumption(which with his breed you can never have too much of that). So for us and him it works. Besides that I can get him to chew on a whole carrot to clean his teeth a whole lot easier than I can a rec bone.
 

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IMO they don't process enough of it to make it worth while feeding it. There are all the necessary nutrients in meat, bone and organ. Bone replaces fiber, so there really is no need for plant matter.



Actually, I think that if people reverted back to what "cave" men ate, they would be a lot more healthy. Look at the average American? Obese. Cave men? Not so much. Diabetes? Is a "new age" disease. Etc, etc.

If you look at some of the fad "diets" out there (the good ones I mean...just like a raw diet for dogs/cats) they advocate eating only lean meats, fresh fruits/veggies, nuts and berries...but not grains. Why? Grain is pretty useless if not processed to make breads and flour based foods. You would be amazed at how well you feel if you totally change your diet to emulate what primitive man ate. Of course in this day and age you have to take other things into consideration...like food processing (meats and such) that would make it not beneficial to eat it raw. Look into doing the South Beach diet. I always feel better when I'm on it, compared to when I am not LOL!
Actually, it is WHOLE grains that are recommended in most cases. There are studies suggesting that whole grains can help prevent many modern day conditions.
Health Gains from Whole Grains - What Should You Eat? - The Nutrition Source - Harvard School of Public Health

I would also like to add that suggesting that grains are bad because cave men were not obese and didn't eat grains doesn't make much sense to me. Cavemen were much more active than your average modern human--they had to be to survive. In addition, 'not obese" does not equal healthy.
 

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Perhaps you didn't read (or want to see) the part where she HAS tried all sorts of diets........INCLUDING all meat :rolleyes:

But then, that wouldn't *fit* with your beliefs so I guess it's easy to skim over that part ;)
Yes, I do remember that but was she fed a raw diet (not all meat but also bones and organs) during the time she was given a full round of ABX to get rid of the UTI? A PMR diet won't necessarily cure UTI's but will sure make it a lot less likely it will return.

And wow, sweet cheeks huh? *looks behind myself* Coooool! I could live with that! :rofl1:
Wonderful ... glad you like it. See? I'm not ALL bad. :rofl1:
 

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is like someone telling me that their horse cannot do well on a diet of grass.
Not all horses do well on a diet of only grass. It depends on the nutrition of the grass/forage in question, the soil conditions of the area the grass is growing in, the amount of pasture involved, the health of the horse in question, the age of the horse in question, and the physical demands on said horse. In addition, there are some horses that must be kept away from grass for their own health, as in cases of founder.

I am actually a big "forage first" person when it comes to horses but many horses need more than just grass.
 

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I'm not bashing raw. I'm just pointing out that is it obviously not ideal and not right for every single dog. Mostly, it is obviously not right for those dogs pictured above.
You can feed too much of any kind of food! I ran into a person in the vet one time who had a GSD from the same breeder as mine, theirs was a cloud of shedding fur, they asked how Gunnar's coat was so nice and I told them it was because I fed raw. He says "oh, I tried that once, she got fat on it" Duh, you have to feed less then!
 

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Yes, carbs are irritating and can cause UTI's (as well as a buttload of other issues while we're talking cats), but no, eliminating them will not in 100% of the cases cure the UTI's. You're making dagerous assumptions and someone reading this may choose to skip a crucial vet visit for their animal when something is seriously wrong.
It's been way back in the thread when that post was made and I'm not going back to look for it now. If I gave the impression that eliminating carbs would cure UTI, that's not what I meant to say. However eliminating carbs from the diet will make it MUCH more likely that it won't return. If a dog has recurring bouts of UTI, eliminating carbs and giving a round of ABX will most likely take care of the problem more or less permanently.
 

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We have considered feeding raw and have fed Jack premade raw--he had to be fed WAY more than the company recommended to keep any kind of weight on him (and I keep him thin anyway, so that is saying something) and it quickly become too expensive.

My two biggest concerns with raw are:
-my ability to balance it. I am very worried about not getting the nutrients right and causing illness or deficancy
-the bones. Jack is a hardcore gulper and has had bowel obstruction surgery to remove a pair of underwear he swallowed whole before and I have no desire to go through that again. yes, most of the time their digestive system breaks it down, but dogs do get obstructions from bones.
 

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