Victoria Stillwell or Cesar Millan?
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No, Brad's whole idea with the tree thing is to get the dog to "respect" and pay attention to him and his movements. His goal in doing so is that someday the dog will follow him instead of getting wrapped up in the tree. He's a terrible "trainer", and to make matters worse, his people skills are horrendous. It makes no sense to me why anyone would take one of his classes.
gah. the last time i went to get my teeth cleaned, my hygienist who is a nice, casual pet dog owner who knows i have pit bulls and is mildly dumbfounded by that told me about how her daughter (who is 8) saw that by accident and was horribly traumatized. she went on and on about that show and pit bulls etc for a good 15 minutes while i was an extremely captive audience. yeah. great things for the pit bull.
Excellent post Mroses, and I agree completely. That is exactly the reason Cesar has an audience, followers, and a show at all.
It's the old "union" adage..........."You want it done right, or RIGHT NOW?" And most people will pick RIGHT NOW.
90% is a high percentage, but I can actually agree that a WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES can be dealt with by giving the dog enough exercise and mental stimulation. Which mental stimulation is something I never really hear him talk about
VS is definitely the better schooled, more informed, and would have my trust with my own animals faster than the other idiot.
It's the old "union" adage..........."You want it done right, or RIGHT NOW?" And most people will pick RIGHT NOW.
90% is a high percentage, but I can actually agree that a WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES can be dealt with by giving the dog enough exercise and mental stimulation. Which mental stimulation is something I never really hear him talk about
VS is definitely the better schooled, more informed, and would have my trust with my own animals faster than the other idiot.
i think vs plays a CHARACTER on tv, ive met her in person before tv came along and shes a VERY nice person, very personable, she oozes confidnece but not pushyness and its easy to hold a general conversation with her.
I think the producers wanted to play the strong british woman thing and shes simply playing a part...
i like many of her training methods, they are easy methods that the average person can follow with little to no risk to their dogs mental stability.
and she did try and clear up in an interveiw (which ill have to try and refind it was a og time ago) that she doesnt HATE dogs in the bed, but when the dog in the bed is causing issues between yourself an dyour partner or the dog is bed uarding ect the bed is the last place you want them.
she also does encorage more excersize, but unlike CM she doesnt push EXCESSIVE excersize.
from what ive seen of her show she encorages both onleash and of leash excersize (in SAFE places) to suit each individual dog rather than "well you need to walk that og at least 2 hours...doesnt matter that the dog is 16 and has hip an dknee problems, its obviously not excersized and neds to walk for 2 hours at a pace that makes the dog hurt...
i think milans producers have managed to find a better nich interms of the character portrayal, he appeals to the average "i want it now" american who doesnt want to hear that it will take time and repititan to retrain these dogs, they see it happen in 30 mins and that makes them happy...
his methods however are barbaric and none of it based on ACTUAL behavioural training, he simply shuts dogs down, makes them so fraid of screwing up they just wont try anything...or so confused and angry they simply redirect/bite.
he also comes acros as a know it all and fro the episodes ive seen VERY sexist.
I think the producers wanted to play the strong british woman thing and shes simply playing a part...
i like many of her training methods, they are easy methods that the average person can follow with little to no risk to their dogs mental stability.
and she did try and clear up in an interveiw (which ill have to try and refind it was a og time ago) that she doesnt HATE dogs in the bed, but when the dog in the bed is causing issues between yourself an dyour partner or the dog is bed uarding ect the bed is the last place you want them.
she also does encorage more excersize, but unlike CM she doesnt push EXCESSIVE excersize.
from what ive seen of her show she encorages both onleash and of leash excersize (in SAFE places) to suit each individual dog rather than "well you need to walk that og at least 2 hours...doesnt matter that the dog is 16 and has hip an dknee problems, its obviously not excersized and neds to walk for 2 hours at a pace that makes the dog hurt...
i think milans producers have managed to find a better nich interms of the character portrayal, he appeals to the average "i want it now" american who doesnt want to hear that it will take time and repititan to retrain these dogs, they see it happen in 30 mins and that makes them happy...
his methods however are barbaric and none of it based on ACTUAL behavioural training, he simply shuts dogs down, makes them so fraid of screwing up they just wont try anything...or so confused and angry they simply redirect/bite.
he also comes acros as a know it all and fro the episodes ive seen VERY sexist.
Good post Foxy and good points. I hate how he comes across as an expert or that the producers, in the intro part of the show label him an expert. He is sooooooo not an expert. He is barbaric and archaic, doesn't know behavior, misreads body language and misinterepts the intentions of dogs to the hilt.
I have seen her recommend dogs not being in bed but in every case that I saw, it was dogs that had resource guarding issues and in those cases, they should not get to "own" the bed until the issues are resolved. I never got a feeling that she meant that dogs shouldn't be in bed at all.
I have seen her recommend dogs not being in bed but in every case that I saw, it was dogs that had resource guarding issues and in those cases, they should not get to "own" the bed until the issues are resolved. I never got a feeling that she meant that dogs shouldn't be in bed at all.
90% is a high percentage, but I can actually agree that a WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES can be dealt with by giving the dog enough exercise and mental stimulation. Which mental stimulation is something I never really hear him talk about
I voted for VS.
The types of walks HE gives are not mentally stimulating. The dogs can't sniff and I've seen episodes where he hurts the dog for looking at another dog. The dog has to keep it's head down and walk at a slow pace (for a dog) by his side without so much as sniffing for a potty spot or else he gets attacked by Cesar, no mental stimulation whatsoever.