U.S. Voting Tuesday, November 7

[Buckshot]

Hey Im a Democrat

I meant hang the lot of em, Dems and Republicans. Those two parties offer nothing other than more government for us working folks to pay for. They have very effectively divided and conquered us. We have turned this into a game of voting against instead of voting for. The one thing the vast majority of Americans do agree on is that we need to make the federal government smaller. If we could only come to terms on that one issue, we could regain our country. We wont learn until we are at war with ourselves.

I cant see how any of us can actually be proud of the swill we elect.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

I meant hang the lot of em, Dems and Republicans. Those two parties offer nothing other than more government for us working folks to pay for. They have very effectively divided and conquered us. We have turned this into a game of voting against instead of voting for. The one thing the vast majority of Americans do agree on is that we need to make the federal government smaller. If we could only come to terms on that one issue, we could regain our country. We wont learn until we are at war with ourselves.

I cant see how any of us can actually be proud of the swill we elect.

Ohh okay I hear where your coming from now.

 

[RD]

I meant hang the lot of em, Dems and Republicans. Those two parties offer nothing other than more government for us working folks to pay for. They have very effectively divided and conquered us. We have turned this into a game of voting against instead of voting for. The one thing the vast majority of Americans do agree on is that we need to make the federal government smaller. If we could only come to terms on that one issue, we could regain our country. We wont learn until we are at war with ourselves.

I cant see how any of us can actually be proud of the swill we elect.

:hail:

 

[blue]

I cant see how any of us can actually be proud of the swill we elect.

I dont know, we have a life long Alaskan, smart as hell, a long time Valley resident and former Valley mayor. Plus she is probably the the only GILF in the nation.

 

[Whisper]

I guess if democrats and republicans are always at battle, our country will never really be united. There is so much friction between the parties and it's spawning more conflict. I really see where you're coming from, Buckshot. I've spent a while thinking about this. . .

 

[Melissa_W]

That is exactly my point.... You are trying to apply "reason" to an enemy that is not willing or able to reason. Unless you understand how this enemy thinks, you never will 'get it', until it is too late. Then, you can just blame Bush, the Republicans or whomever is the medias target of the day.

You think they are unable to reason? How arrogant. More Bush rhetoric.

Come on Melissa... Does this REALLY need to be explained to you?

"Artists" in NYC put a Crucifix in a jar of urine and call it "art". Christians complain, but nothing else.

A few cartoons are run in a newspaper.... Calls are made for Jihad, death and destruction.

Melissa, if you REALLY do not understand the difference between people of my faith and this enemy, fundamentalist Islam... I weep for you because you are blind as a bat.

I understand that they are more extreme than Christian fundamentalists in their actions. But the Christian fundies are almost as extreme in their thoughts. They are just better at hiding their true motivations. Aren't they waging a war against Islam right now? Isn't that the essence of Jihad? We are "struggling" against their "evil" religion . The Christian fundamentalist vision of the world is just as scary to me.

 

[Buckshot]

I guess if democrats and republicans are always at battle, our country will never really be united. There is so much friction between the parties and it's spawning more conflict. I really see where you're coming from, Buckshot. I've spent a while thinking about this. . .

The conflict between the two parties is the only good thing about them. If either party got their way and were able to pass every idea that goes through their heads, we would be in big trouble. The problem is that each party condemns and critisizes the other for every law that they try to pass, yet when the power turns over the party that was complaining doesnt repeal all of the legislation that the other put in motion. After a short while people think that these stupid laws are actually needed. Income taxes is a great example of that.

 

[Puckstop31]

You think they are unable to reason? How arrogant. More Bush rhetoric.

George Bush has zero to do with my beliefs on this matter. Have you ever been in the same room as some of these people? I have.

"Bush rhetoric". LOL.

I understand that they are more extreme than Christian fundamentalists in their actions. But the Christian fundies are almost as extreme in their thoughts. They are just better at hiding their true motivations.

Really? Where do you gain this intimate knowledge of Christianity? CNN? moveon.org?

And yes, "almost". Apart from the fact that we don't strab bombs on ourselves and blow up buses, or drive cars full of explosives into supermarkets, we are the same.

You really have no idea what it means to worship Christ.

Aren't they waging a war against Islam right now? Isn't that the essence of Jihad? We are "struggling" against their "evil" religion .

NO. This conflict is against a people who wish to destroy our way of life. Of course, I would not expect you to understand. You keep proving how very little you REALLY know about religion.

The Christian fundamentalist vision of the world is just as scary to me.

Only because you have no idea what it really is to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

 

[Renee750il]

Puck, your last reply to Melissa leads me to believe that you really haven't spent much time around the hard Christian fundamentalists. I have. Went to school with the crazy buggers.

They aren't any more "Christian" than the jihadists . . . Seriously. And they are a scary bunch of right-wingnuts

 

[Puckstop31]

Puck, your last reply to Melissa leads me to believe that you really haven't spent much time around the hard Christian fundamentalists. I have. Went to school with the crazy buggers.

They aren't any more "Christian" than the jihadists . . . Seriously. And they are a scary bunch of right-wingnuts

I have been in the same room as both. I understand them better than you think you do.

The "hard" Christian fundamentalists you speak of do not walk the path of a real Christian. Just as the Muslim fundamentalists do not walk the path Allah has laid before them.

This conflict is about much more than simply religion. It is about values. Yet, I wonder why nobody wants to talk about that? Do you really understand how you would be required to live if this enemy had his way? Do you think your "pseudo-intelectual" mumbo-jumbo would work?

You simply cannot apply ANY reason to a people who's goal is death.

Pick up a history book.

 

[Renee750il]

The "hard" Christian fundamentalists you speak of do not walk the path of a real Christian. Just as the Muslim fundamentalists do not walk the path Allah has laid before them.

If you'll look, that's what I said - just worded it differently

Neither side of the fundamental coin can be reasoned with. Granted, the jihadists are willing - and eager - to go to far greater extremes, and no, I don't see myself submitting to a bhurka with any good grace. But you can bet I won't go down without a fight or without taking a few with me

But, having spent a couple of years in a private, fundamentalist school - far different than being in the room with them - I can tell you that they are dangerous, just in different ways. Much more subtle. And they are not friends and allies of freedom.

 

[Melissa_W]

If you'll look, that's what I said - just worded it differently

Neither side of the fundamental coin can be reasoned with. Granted, the jihadists are willing - and eager - to go to far greater extremes, and no, I don't see myself submitting to a bhurka with any good grace. But you can bet I won't go down without a fight or without taking a few with me

But, having spent a couple of years in a private, fundamentalist school - far different than being in the room with them - I can tell you that they are dangerous, just in different ways. Much more subtle. And they are not friends and allies of freedom.

Thank you Renee! :hail:

 

[Puckstop31]

But, having spent a couple of years in a private, fundamentalist school - far different than being in the room with them - I can tell you that they are dangerous, just in different ways. Much more subtle. And they are not friends and allies of freedom.

Head knowledge of Christ is much different than having a "heart" knowledge of Him.

If the "Christians" in that school are not allies of freedom, then I would submit that they are NOT true Christians.

Of course, all of this assumes that you do not have a personal bias against the Christian faith. Like Melissa, I think that you do not agree with the way the Christian walk teaches you to live. It is too difficult to do and does not allow one to do whatever their flesh desires at that moment.

The flesh is weak, but the Word is strong.

 

[Renee750il]

Puck, more often than you'd think, you and I are making similar points Now that I've thoroughly scared you . . .

I've met maybe a handful of "true" Christians face to face in my life. I appreciate them and hold them in high esteem. They are a very rare and precious breed.

I just happen to have sought for my answers long and hard and found that my Path - and my questions - led me through the Christian ethos and onto a different leg of my journey.

 

[Melissa_W]

Puck, more often than you'd think, you and I are making similar points Now that I've thoroughly scared you . . .

I've met maybe a handful of "true" Christians face to face in my life. I appreciate them and hold them in high esteem. They are a very rare and precious breed.

I just happen to have sought for my answers long and hard and found that my Path - and my questions - led me through the Christian ethos and onto a different leg of my journey.

My mom is a "true" Christian. It is very rare, she's the only one I've ever met. Though I don't share her faith, I have a great deal of respect for her. She is totally different from the people I am referring to.