The Realities of Dog Fighting

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rottiegirl said:
I know that those breeds were a problem at one point, but pits are the problem now days. I never once said that rotties and dobes were not a problem at one point. When I said that pits are a problem, I am not pointing fingers at the actual breed. Pits are a problem due to irresponsible people. Who ever said that it was ok? You dont make sence to me. The reason why I said that all pits used for fighting should be put to sleep is because they could be deadly to anybody who ventures onto his terf, and they know exactly how to kill. Alot of people on here say that a fighting pit does not make a good guard dog, but fighting pits will rip your throat out if you go onto his masters property. The reason why they are not good guard dogs is because they do not warn before they attack. Yes I have seen pit bull fights before. And I know that the owners need to be in the ring without the threat of being attacked, but that is a different story when a person, including a child, goes onto the pits terf. An attact from a pit is more deadly than any other breed.
Why don't you get yourself a pitbull and see for yourself. I'm sure your views will change a lot.
 

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No I am not. check out these links and you will find that you are WRONG about the pit bull colors. Pits do NOT come in all colors. You are giving out false information. http://www.apbtconformation.com/apbt_colors.htm http://www.apbtconformation.com/merle.htm SO WHO IS THE IGNORANT ONE NOW?

Well, I've read it and I'm sure you dont understand what you've read. UKC is one of the few clubs who recognize the American Pitbull Terrier. They are considered as an authority when it comes to pitbull conformations. The site you showed to us is no authority on the breed. Look at my dogs, does any of them look like the merle their yanking about. Nah. They've passed UKC's conformation and their parents are UKC registered pits. Who gave you the idea that I breed substandard pits? I guess none but yourself. You're just plain ignorant about the breed. You don't even own a pitbull. You're not even a member of a pitbull club. Who are you to judge me as being irresponsible? You know nothing about the breed. You just chit-chat around saying bad things about it, bash others, and glorify yourself like you're a very righteous person. Ignorance breeds fear...

Try to own a pitbull. We could even give you one for free. Just drop by here and pick it up, and I'll show you what lovely pets pitbull could be. Gamebred line or Showtypes.
 
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You like to rant around with having first hand knowledge about what your saying. Why don't you check UKC's website. You'll find out that all colors of pits are permitted. Here's the link.
Ok, I did check the UKC's web site and this is what I found... "Disqualifications:
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Bobbed tail. Albinism. MERLE" You seemed to miss this little detail... MERLES are NOT a permited color!! And just another peice if information... I do not claim something until I know d@mn well im right.
 

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Ok, I did check the UKC's web site and this is what I found... "Disqualifications:
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Bobbed tail. Albinism. MERLE" You seemed to miss this little detail... MERLES are NOT a permited color!! And just another peice if information... I do not claim something until I know d@mn well im right.
Now, does any of my pits look like that? Well, its also pretty obvious that they have pitbulls who has different colors and color patterns? Whats your basis for calling me irresponsible earlier? I guess none.
 
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Well, I've read it and I'm sure you dont understand what you've read. UKC is one of the few clubs who recognize the American Pitbull Terrier. They are considered as an authority when it comes to pitbull conformations. The site you showed to us is no authority on the breed. Now, if you ask me whom to believe, the UKC or Rottiegirl, I don't think I will choose the latter. Because its pretty obvious that she doesn't know what she is saying. She just chit-chats around and say bad things about the breed and other people without even thinking.
Get myself a pit bull? I have nothing against the breed. How many times do I have to repeat myself??? You automaticly think I hate the breed, quit making assumptions. And I know I am right, because I checked the UKC's web site. I have never ever ever ever ever said anything bad about the breed, OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ. You are the ignorant one here. Sorry to break it to ya, buddy.
 
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Now, does any of my pits look like that? Well, its also pretty obvious that they have pitbulls who has different colors and color patterns? Whats your basis for calling me irresponsible earlier? I guess none.
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So I am RIGHT, correct? Anyway... the color of your dogs does not upset me, what upsets me is when you claimed that pits come in all colors, which is NOT true. A responsible breeder does not give out false information. The reason why I called you an irresponsible breeder was because you have false info on your web site, and you dont know squat about genetics. Genetics plays a huge part in a dogs temperment, which you do not understand or belive.
 

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rottiegirl said:
Get myself a pit bull? I have nothing against the breed. How many times do I have to repeat myself??? You automaticly think I hate the breed, quit making assumptions. And I know I am right, because I checked the UKC's web site. I have never ever ever ever ever said anything bad about the breed, OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ. You are the ignorant one here. Sorry to break it to ya, buddy.

Well, I guess your cross-eyed coz you were not able to read well. Yes, you are discriminating. Please review all your posts in this thread. I think they're still here...Now, you did call me an irresponsible breeder didn't you? Where's your proof now?
 
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My proof...
They don't have bad genes as what your vets and so called experts are saying. A lot of people could attest to this. The owners who teach their dogs to be vicious are the culprits not the dog themselves. Same goes with rotts and other similar breeds. Its their owners who teach them to be mean to people.
This is not true at all. Dogs can and do have bad genes due to irresponsible breeding. I cant beleive that you are saying that the dogs genes are not a factor. That is ignorance!!
With that statement your rascist views has sprouted out again. Yes they share the same bloodlines in fact they are of the same blood line. The blood line is the not the problem the dog irresponsible dog owners are. All dogs could be trained to become the savages you depict. Rottweilers, GSDs, Dobs, Bull terriers, and a whole lot more could be trained to be fighting dogs. Its not in the BLOOD its in the people handling them.
Yes it can and is in the "blood". Training will only go so far, but genetics play a bigger role. Why do you think collies like herding and labs love water? I can assure you that those breeds were not trained to like doing things, they are born with it. You dont know much do you? Any person who has no idea how genetics work should never ever be able to breed! Your ignorance is the very reason why the pit problem exists today. Another thing that you are dead wrong about... I am not a racist! Where exactly is your proof. You wouldnt be able to find proof even if you tryed!
 

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My proof... This is not true at all. Dogs can and do have bad genes due to irresponsible breeding. I cant beleive that you are saying that the dogs genes are not a factor. That is ignorance!! Yes it can and is in the "blood". Training will only go so far, but genetics play a bigger role. Why do you think collies like herding and labs love water? I can assure you that those breeds were not trained to like doing things, they are born with it. You dont know much do you? Any person who has no idea how genetics work should never ever be able to breed! Your ignorance is the very reason why the pit problem exists today. Another thing that you are dead wrong about... I am not a racist! Where exactly is your proof. You wouldnt be able to find proof even if you tryed!
I guess you don't know the difference between genetics and training do you? Give me proof that pitbulls especially those who belong to the fighting or gamebred line have this so called "gene factor" to attack people. Do they have this tendency to attack people because they have this trait in their blood? Thats the whole point of this argument Rottie. You keep on ranting that pitbulls have this trait of aggressiveness towards people because it is in their blood. You are terribly wrong Rottie. If ever pitbulls attack people, its not because of their genes but because they were forced or trained by their handlers, breeders, or owners either through neglect or abuse. Thus, the culprit in this so called pitbull problem is not the breed itself but the people who commits the wrong deed. That makes you an ignorant, discriminate person. You don't even own a pitbull so you don't have first hand knowledge about them. How come you have this unholy habit of placing negative topics about them? What is your ulterior motive? You keep on questioning my capability as a breeder and other pitbull breeders. Why? Do you breed dogs? Are you breeder yourself? Where did your dogs come from? Why do you keep on putting other people down? Whats in it for you? The proof of your rascist manners are already on your face. Look in the mirror and you'll sure see a lot of hate.

The reason why a lot of pitbulls are being euthanised is because you a whole bunch others share this belief that pitbulls are born aggressive to people because they have it in their blood. Ignorance...just plain...ignorance...poor dogs...there are people like you...
 
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I'm not going to wallow through all of this, but I will interject that the bottom line is that NO BREED attacks, only individual dogs attack, and that is the responsibility of the individual owner, whether it is for lack of training, lack of nurturing, cruelty, lack of knowledge of the breed before owning one, lack of research into a responsible breeder, an inability to handle a "harder" dog, just plain lack of sense or purposely teaching a dog to attack. It's all on the owner.
 

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Bowowee said:
Look at the first page of my website. http://www.lovespell-kennel.com

All my personal details are indicated there. My name, address, phone numbers, and email address. I would not post them there if I'm doing something illegal or immoral. I'll be glad to welcome you here. You'll witness first hand, how much care and love I give to my dogs. You should practice basic reading so you would not lose your head over simple conversations like this. All can I say is, If you want some...come get some.

Hahaha alright homie, big mistake
 

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What is honestly your problem, you make no sense your the one who was saying I was slow and my parents didn't teach me anything,

Your the one who cleary started it with me, I never said one really negative thing towards you at all. Anyways you live in the philipines punk and be thankful you do not live in Ontario.

I'm finshed sorry to everybody for my behaviour.
 

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DogLover4 said:
What is honestly your problem, you make no sense your the one who was saying I was slow and my parents didn't teach me anything,

Your the one who cleary started it with me, I never said one really negative thing towards you at all. Anyways you live in the philipines punk and be thankful you do not live in Ontario.

I'm finshed sorry to everybody for my behaviour.
DogLover4: Bowawee is an idiot, i'm going to get reall upset soon. This is what started it. Then you did a lot of cussing and threw a lot of profanities at me. You even threatened my person. Then your saying you did not threw anything negative against me? Ne...ga...tive..., look it up in the dictionary DogLover4 so you'll have a better understanding on what you did. The problem with you is you're too hot headed. You're incapable of handling simple conversations.
 

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Both of you stop it. Just leave the thread alone if you can't discuss things calmly. I know this is a personal subject HOWEVER that doesn't mean we need personal attacks. I will not warn you again.
 

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White flag please, or this thread will be locked. Take personal things to PMs. You both have gone too far here ! You're eye scratching and pulling hair !
 

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