'The Michael Vick Project'
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I guess I did not miss anything from not watching the show. All he is doing is trying to redeem himself and trying to get everyone to see him as a good person, not doing anything to help animals in anyway and not admitting what he did was wrong.
Once again nothing has changed and the NFL is still to be known as the National Felon League.
Once again nothing has changed and the NFL is still to be known as the National Felon League.
While I don't understand why he did what he did, or agree with what he did, a life sentence is a little severe. He was sentenced within the guidelines given by the law, he paid millions in fines and lost millions more in income, and he served his time. There are people who do far worse to humans who don't pay the price he did.
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I will probably never watch the show, but I do completely agree that everyone deserves a second chance.
Even if he isn't helping animals, as long as he is admitting his mistakes & acknowledging that he needs to be rehabbed (which it seems like he is????), I'm ok with it. Personally, I don't really know if I'd trust him around animals. Its one thing to teach someone not to hurt them...It's another thing to teach him to love them like we do on here. Maybe he'll get to that point eventually, but I think he needs to be dealing with other things in his life before he gets there...
I will probably never watch the show, but I do completely agree that everyone deserves a second chance.
Even if he isn't helping animals, as long as he is admitting his mistakes & acknowledging that he needs to be rehabbed (which it seems like he is????), I'm ok with it. Personally, I don't really know if I'd trust him around animals. Its one thing to teach someone not to hurt them...It's another thing to teach him to love them like we do on here. Maybe he'll get to that point eventually, but I think he needs to be dealing with other things in his life before he gets there...
I don't like him and anyone who could torture and kill dogs like he did has a depraved personality - I wouldn't trust him with any living creature (kids or animals). While I wouldn't mind him being locked up for a longer period of time (are his co-conspirators still in jail?), he does have the right to earn a living. However, I vehemently disagree with him playing football again and receiving millions of dollars in salary. Does the average convicted felon get to go straight back to his old job once he's out of jail? Kinda doubt it...
Meh. He did far too little time, IMHO, but that's neither here nor there at this point. I decided with watching the Bears vs Eagles game this past season that I'd settle for sustaining some sort of career ending injury--hopefully something with lots of twisting and snapping involved....That or having his testicles gnawed off by possums or something--I'd call it even then too......
I'm sorry to hear that.
I think your average run of the mill felon has a tough time of it once they are finished with whatever their punishment is, but people with connections- high end business people types- probably don't suffer at all and go right back into the same field they were in before they got caught.
I think your average run of the mill felon has a tough time of it once they are finished with whatever their punishment is, but people with connections- high end business people types- probably don't suffer at all and go right back into the same field they were in before they got caught.
I am disgusted by people saying that he has paid his debt to society. Vick didn't make a bad choice or a mistake as if he was busted for drugs or cheating on taxes. For more than 5 years he ran dog fights and killed multiple dogs. Not only that- but the way he chose to end the lives of all these dogs qualify as torture; he wasn't "simply" putting them out of their misery.
He also found a great joy of putting family pets into the ring with pit bulls trained to fight. I can't even wrap my mind around the moral state of mind a person has to have to watch their family pet get shredded to pieces and die a horrendous, painful death. The pain and suffering he caused were not just a by-product of the actions he chose to execute: they were the desired effect.
I am not arguing the fact that Vick was released from prison- I am arguing the fact that he is allowed to play in the NFL again. He can continue to make a living scrubbing toilets or working construction. He can work hard the rest of his life to get reminded about what he did. Playing for the NFL is a privilege, not a right. How on earth did he earn back the right to continue his life as if nothing ever happened? There are tons of players more talented than him who are mentally and morally stable and deserve a chance in the NFL.
Someone who can take a dog and deliberately pick the most cruel and slow way of killing that dog, just to be insufficiently vicious – how can people question others like me who truly wonder if such a man could ever genuinely be rehabilitated.
He also found a great joy of putting family pets into the ring with pit bulls trained to fight. I can't even wrap my mind around the moral state of mind a person has to have to watch their family pet get shredded to pieces and die a horrendous, painful death. The pain and suffering he caused were not just a by-product of the actions he chose to execute: they were the desired effect.
I am not arguing the fact that Vick was released from prison- I am arguing the fact that he is allowed to play in the NFL again. He can continue to make a living scrubbing toilets or working construction. He can work hard the rest of his life to get reminded about what he did. Playing for the NFL is a privilege, not a right. How on earth did he earn back the right to continue his life as if nothing ever happened? There are tons of players more talented than him who are mentally and morally stable and deserve a chance in the NFL.
Someone who can take a dog and deliberately pick the most cruel and slow way of killing that dog, just to be insufficiently vicious – how can people question others like me who truly wonder if such a man could ever genuinely be rehabilitated.
You know I wonder if he has that problem that some football players get (it makes them crazy)
I read an amazing article (can't seem to find it now) where a medical researcher found that football players brains are being damaged. It was VERY well documented and published. The NFL refused to give it credence. But basically the back to back concussions was/is doing serious brain damage to players. Resulting in erratic behaviour, changes in personality and even death.
Either way I don't think he should be playing again. What he did was wrong, and if it was based on a medical condition (that the NFL still seems to ignore) then he shouldn't go back as the effects are cumulative.
ETA found this its not indepth but :
I read an amazing article (can't seem to find it now) where a medical researcher found that football players brains are being damaged. It was VERY well documented and published. The NFL refused to give it credence. But basically the back to back concussions was/is doing serious brain damage to players. Resulting in erratic behaviour, changes in personality and even death.
Either way I don't think he should be playing again. What he did was wrong, and if it was based on a medical condition (that the NFL still seems to ignore) then he shouldn't go back as the effects are cumulative.
ETA found this its not indepth but :
Agreed.
Yes, Micheal Vick is an A-Hole of the highest order, no getting around that one.........but at least he WAS convicted, DID have to serve some time, and pay plenty of fines. That's more than many animal abusers will ever face IMO.
Agreed on this too.
Think of all the rapists and pedophiles that are either never reported due to shame fear or both, or walk away on technicalities.........or even WORSE, the ones who ARE convicted and serve less time, (and no fines) than Micheal Vick. The message that sends to the public makes me just as ill as the actual crime
Yes, Micheal Vick is an A-Hole of the highest order, no getting around that one.........but at least he WAS convicted, DID have to serve some time, and pay plenty of fines. That's more than many animal abusers will ever face IMO.
Agreed on this too.
Think of all the rapists and pedophiles that are either never reported due to shame fear or both, or walk away on technicalities.........or even WORSE, the ones who ARE convicted and serve less time, (and no fines) than Micheal Vick. The message that sends to the public makes me just as ill as the actual crime
I agree, DanL.
I wonder how many people are upset over the sentences of rapists and those who killed their own babies and children while a guy in Texas is spending 140 yrs in prison on dog fighting charges.
I never liked Vick. I thought he was overrated and just another thug in the NFL. What bothers me the most is his disturbing methods of executing dogs and the willingness to do so.
In the end, he was sentenced according to the law and now he must work in order to pay back financial debt. I would rather him do so than me, the average taxpayer, get stuck with yet someone else's bill.
You hate him? Fine. You don't want children to look at him as a role model? Then teach your children the truth about role models and model them yourselves instead of allowing sports figures and the media do the job for you.
I wonder how many people are upset over the sentences of rapists and those who killed their own babies and children while a guy in Texas is spending 140 yrs in prison on dog fighting charges.
I never liked Vick. I thought he was overrated and just another thug in the NFL. What bothers me the most is his disturbing methods of executing dogs and the willingness to do so.
In the end, he was sentenced according to the law and now he must work in order to pay back financial debt. I would rather him do so than me, the average taxpayer, get stuck with yet someone else's bill.
You hate him? Fine. You don't want children to look at him as a role model? Then teach your children the truth about role models and model them yourselves instead of allowing sports figures and the media do the job for you.
Can someone who exhibits that kind of sociopathic behavior ever be "rehabilitated?"
I have to wonder, too, when considering all the studies that have pointed to a connection between people who torture animals and serial killers/rapists . . . . Although I don't differentiate much between Michael Vick and his new buddy/fan, Wayne Pacelle.
I have to wonder, too, when considering all the studies that have pointed to a connection between people who torture animals and serial killers/rapists . . . . Although I don't differentiate much between Michael Vick and his new buddy/fan, Wayne Pacelle.
I just can't agree that harming dogs equates to harming people. Mind you, I love my dogs to the point of idiocy--but they are DOGS. Children, now? I sincerely believe that people who hurt children need to be put down, dispassionately, like rabid dogs, and for much the same reasons. (This, of course, opens up a whole 'nother can of worms.)
It's not so much that Vick killed the dogs. It's the positive GLEE he took in devising painful, unbelievably ugly deaths. Can this kind of character flaw be mended?
It's not so much that Vick killed the dogs. It's the positive GLEE he took in devising painful, unbelievably ugly deaths. Can this kind of character flaw be mended?