The circumcision Debate thread

[Miakoda]

Insurance has stopped covering it here as it has been deemed cosmetic surgery.

Because I had not done any research I didn't question when the Dr. took the boys to be circ'd. Now, no way, no how. I feel awful about doing it. God made my babies perfect and being uneducated I altered their perfection.

Ummm....I had different insurance companies for each child's birth, & both of them covered it.

And again, I DID research it....and more than just anti-circ sites.....and if I have another boy I'll have him circumsized, too.

Please, let's keep the "you're an awful, despicable mother for circumsizing your boys" insinuations to a minimum. (not directed at you, Adrienne...or anyone else in particular)

If one wants me to "respect" their point of view, then one must "respect" mine. It's completely possible to present your case without condeming the other party to hell.

 

[drmom777]

Please, let's keep the "you're an awful, despicable mother for circumsizing your boys" insinuations to a minimum. (not directed at you, Adrienne...or anyone else in particular)

If one wants me to "respect" their point of view, then one must "respect" mine. It's completely possible to present your case without condeming the other party to hell.

So far have seen no such disrespect here. Just your basic debate.....

 

[PWCorgi]

Also, female circumcision has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of cleanliness issues. It is done solely to prevent a girl/young women from having sexual pleasure and to make sure she stays a virgin until some man decides he wants to take her as his bride & rape the begeezus out of her....all for HIS pleasure.

Untrue. Maybe in other cultures, but not here. There are women who have the hood of their clitoris removed because it's interfering with their sexual pleasure.

I think you're talking about the extreme genital mutilation, where they're cutting out the entire clitoris and sewing the lips up. That's just gross.

 

[Miakoda]

I think you're talking about the extreme genital mutilation, where they're cutting out the entire clitoris and sewing the lips up. That's just gross.

I am....because that's what is referred to as "female circumcision". However, there are varying degrees of it. I don't remember the exact site that shows the different methods (via drawings), but I'm sure it's not too hard to find.

 

[Adrienne]

Ummm....I had different insurance companies for each child's birth, & both of them covered it.

And again, I DID research it....and more than just anti-circ sites.....and if I have another boy I'll have him circumsized, too.

Please, let's keep the "you're an awful, despicable mother for circumsizing your boys" insinuations to a minimum. (not directed at you, Adrienne...or anyone else in particular)

If one wants me to "respect" their point of view, then one must "respect" mine. It's completely possible to present your case without condeming the other party to hell.

Yeah, my boys were covered but they within the last two years stopped covering it here in Minnesota, at least that is what I was told by a few friends who have had boys in the past few years.

I know you said not directed at me but it was awful for me to make a decision like that without being educated. It was just something that was done, without any real benefits. I don't have a problem with people who do it but if I had another boy I would not be able to feel good about myself knowing what I do now. (that there is no health benefits to it).

 

[PWCorgi]

Oh, well I guess I must not have given off the "Because my mom is a nurse she's told me every reason in the book WHY to get it done for your son" vibe. Sorry, not just because everyone else is doing it. I've had this debate with an ex before (before he was an ex) and he didn't want to because he'd had to live with a botched circ but I still would like to have my son(s) done because it is healthier from a Nurse's child standpoint.

That's a pretty broad assumption. My aunt is an RN, did the research, and chose not to have it done for both of her boys.

 

[Domestika]

So far have seen no such disrespect here. Just your basic debate.....

Yeah, I was going to say...I didn't see anything in that post that was particularly inflammatory. Just stating that THEY wouldn't do it, which a lot of people have said and doesn't directly insult anyone else's choice.

 

[PWCorgi]

I know there are varying degrees of it, you just packed them all into one and made it seem like a bad thing. I was just showing that there are women who get it done for their own benefit and it's not all about men taking advantage of them.

 

[drmom777]

I am a doctor, have three uncirced boys, and have performed (a very few) circumcisions myself. That is my perspective. Incidentally, husband is circed, oldest boy is 21--has no complaints to date.

 

[~Jessie~]

People have been uncut since the beginning of time... and obviously we've made it thus far as a species. If people would be dirty/disease ridden our population probably would've been wiped out long ago.

I haven't seen anything overly insulting in this thread yet... it's just one of those subjects that people generally feel strongly about one way or the other.

I'm kind of right in the middle... like I said, I don't think I'd get my kid circ'd, but it's something I've been debating for a while. I hope I have girls and I won't have to deal with making any decision on it

 

[CaliTerp07]

Please, let's keep the "you're an awful, despicable mother for circumsizing your boys" insinuations to a minimum. (not directed at you, Adrienne...or anyone else in particular)

No one said that. If you're taking personal offense to this, then you're reading too far into the statements. As a neutral party with nothing invested in this (I have no sons, don't intend to have any sons), it's been a VERY civil, polite thread without personal insults.

Just as many people have said "Your kid will be made fun of if you don't do it" and "Uncut men are dirty and get diseases" as people have said "it's unnecessary" or "it's cosmetic".

 

[Laurelin]

I just wish the hubbies could read tis thread. ; )

 

[skittledoo]

haha...I have a horrible scar from a navel piercing gone bad as well. It's uuuugly. I have scars from...other piercings that didn't work out as well. In awkward places. Wish I could take those back...

Yup I have a bad navel piercing scar as well. I had to take mine out because I was playing tennis and the ball slammed into my piercing causing it to rip inside and it got infected and wouldn't heal.


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I'm not positive where I stand on circ vs uncirc. I'd like to do my own research before I have a boy and have to make that decision... I respect other's decisions though so if they feel one way or another then that's their choice. I think most of the guys I know around my age group (in their 20's) are circ.

As far as the sexual side of things. I've been with one uncirc man and a couple circ guys and haven't really noticed a difference between the two. All of the guys I was with including the uncirc guy kept their junk clean (much appreciated) and I really can't say I favored one over the other as far as the way it feels. Just my .02 of course.

 

[skittledoo]

BTW... Dizzy... cheesy knob gave me giggles

 

[Giny]

BTW... Dizzy... cheesy knob gave me giggles

ROFL, I don't know....I think it turned me off sex for a while.

BTW, Dizzy, be expecting a PM from hubby soon. :rofl1:

 

[Dizzy]

Then why are men in Africa & some ares of the middle east LINING UP to have it done?

Also, female circumcision has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of cleanliness issues. It is done solely to prevent a girl/young women from having sexual pleasure and to make sure she stays a virgin until some man decides he wants to take her as his bride & rape the begeezus out of her....all for HIS pleasure.

I'm sorry.........I fail to even see a correlation...........one has to stretch it & contort it to try & grasp at one.

Are you implying that 99 odd % of british men are UNCLEAN?

I don't think you are, no more than I think anyone is implying you're bad for doing it.

The cleanliness thing just doesn't wash with me (hahaha no pun intended, I just read that back LOL). I've seen enough willies in my time (ok ok, not like 100's I am not some uber slut) to know a dirty knob is because someone DOESN'T WASH properly. I bet CUT dicks get smelly and skanky if they never wash...... They DO **** out the thing.

Sorry for being graphic...

The men in Africa are linining up to have it done because it is believed you're at a lower risk of getting HIV. Google it. 2 studies, one in Africa, one in India. Nothing to do with cleanliness. And how about safe sex over surgery??????

It is a personal choice at the end of the day, but I hate when people throw things around that just aren't correct..... Ie, hygiene and tearing and risks... yes, there are some complications with foreskins.. rare ones... Some peope have complicated nostrils and feet.... you see where I am going? There are also complication with ANY surgery... Imagine getting an infected willy :yikes:

Like Saintgirl pointed out... if it is SO good, howcome other WELL developed medically advanced countries do not push it? Like Germany, UK etc?

If people want to circumcise for religion or personal preference/tradition or because it may well just be US culture (yeah, you do have culture so I hear ) then go for it...

 

[Dizzy]

That's what it's called - Knob Cheese.

Ask the next brit you see, I bet they know what you're on about!

 

[mojo-rizin]

I WILL be circumsizing my son when he is born. I asked my DH what he preferred, and he said that he wanted him circumsized. I guess there was locker room "fun" at the expense of a guy who was uncircumsized, and it is definitely something that my husband felt strongly about.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

I don't have any children, however, had I had male children, they would have been left natural. They would also have been taught good hygiene skills.

My first husband was natural. My last husband (the current one... LOL) is circumcised.

The human glans penis was designed to remain covered, protected, and kept moist by the foreskin except during sex, washing, and urination. The glans penis in circumcised men is less sensitive than that of uncircumcised men. It simply has to be, since it is exposed constantly to clothing, etc, and remains dry all the time.

I have no issue with anyone who wants to circumcise their male children, however, having personal experience with both ways, I would not have done it to my own male kids.

 

[zoe08]

The is no fact that it does not have health benefits.

There are lots of studies being done about the benefits of having a circumcision. The information is out there, but you don't have to believe it. And it is NOT ONLY US doctors who are researching and agreeing that circumcision does reduce risks for UTIs and such.
http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_outweigh_the_risks.html
http://www.circinfo.net/urinary_tract_infections.html


On the AIDs front, I don't know. I haven't read much about the AIDs, but here is a link, I did not read it all, but if you are interested: I believe it talks about how it is transmitted
http://www.circinfo.net/hiv_the_aids_virus.html


YOU may think the only reason for circumcising is looks or cultural/religious, but you can't tell me that it WHY I choose to. Because I am choosing to because the research I have done shows me that there are potential health benefits to having it done. And it is much easier on a baby that is 1 day old, than a 4 year old or a 50 year old were it to become necessary to do have it done later.