I too have problems with Michael....I understand ,as a parent, why hers don't want to give up. Maybe nothing can be done for Terri, but I feel Michael should leave all that up to her parents and move on to his new life. If they had complete say so, then they can decide what is best for Terri. It's so sad.
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I guess I can sympathize because my boyfriend would not let me live like that. And I'm glad. I wouldn't want to. Whereas my mom would fight to have me with her in any form. Even if she knew that's not what I wanted she's able to convince herself of anything. 
And where does your soul/spirit go if it's trapped in a useless body? That's what I wonder.
And where does your soul/spirit go if it's trapped in a useless body? That's what I wonder.
Sorry, Roni, I guess it's because I'm a researcher, but I don't consider commercial news sites to be anywhere near non-partisan or unbiased in their presentation.
My concept is that it doesn't matter what the parents OR the husband want. Can you imagine any fate more horrific than being trapped in that body? Unable to communicate? Unable to function in the most basic ways? It is a mercy if she has no cognitive function (when your cerebral cortex is gone and is nothing but cerebrospinal fluid that's pretty definitive); how awful if this poor woman did have some cognizance of her situation! Trapped for years in a non-functioning shell!
I can't help but believe that it is terribly selfish to want to keep her in this suspended state, caught somewhere in a living limbo. Imagine yourself in that body for just a second or two. Virtually blind, unable to communicate on any level.
Our ability to prolong life scientifically has far outstripped our ability to understand life and death.
My concept is that it doesn't matter what the parents OR the husband want. Can you imagine any fate more horrific than being trapped in that body? Unable to communicate? Unable to function in the most basic ways? It is a mercy if she has no cognitive function (when your cerebral cortex is gone and is nothing but cerebrospinal fluid that's pretty definitive); how awful if this poor woman did have some cognizance of her situation! Trapped for years in a non-functioning shell!
I can't help but believe that it is terribly selfish to want to keep her in this suspended state, caught somewhere in a living limbo. Imagine yourself in that body for just a second or two. Virtually blind, unable to communicate on any level.
Our ability to prolong life scientifically has far outstripped our ability to understand life and death.
That was very well said Renee. I agree completely. I would not want to live like that under any circumstances. I'd like to think that my parents would understand that but I doubt it. I know it's hard for parents to let their children go. It's hard enough just sending them to university! LOL But it's not right in my opinion. Everyone's time comes to an end. The idea of living like that makes me shudder.
Grammy, sad to say that all parents don't or aren't capable of doing what's best for their children. Parents can be just as selfish as anyone, even when they don't mean to be. Their judgement can be as - or more flawed - by sentiment, by guilt, as anyone else's. I know my own mother, though meaning well, has taken it upon herself to make some decisions and take some actions that have had most deleterious effects on my life.
Your kids are very lucky to have you.
Your kids are very lucky to have you.
If I where trapped in a shell with a functioning mind, at the very least I would want mental stimuli if not the full range of therapys out there for those in her condition.
Ive wanted to see Jonny get your gun for many years but I dont think Terri is in the same state as that soldier, I only saw the dumb ass Metalica video I have the gist of the book/movie.
Ive searched on a gun forum Im on for the posts on parents with severly brain damaged children, in much the same condition of Shiavo. Some where posted by parents whose children have never been able to feed themselves, one father even had his wife leave because of the severe diability to 1 of their 2 daughters.
There are people out there that would adopt a child with needs so demanding, even more so than Terri Schiavo, just to have a child.
When I was a kid my cousin was kept alive on a ventilator long enough to arrange organ donations. He had no brain activity at all, no response to stimuly volountary or otherwise.
I believe if she truely did not want to live in her condition she would have expired by now, she has not and that tells me she wants to live.
Ill be suprised if Michael Schiavo makes public her autopsy, if it actually happens.
I sympathise for Terri's brother, I have a sister and if her future husband tried this with her my dad and step mom would have guardionship of her cause I would be in jail for killing her husband. I would even plead guilty.
Constitutionaly I dont think she has recieved her due process.
Ive wanted to see Jonny get your gun for many years but I dont think Terri is in the same state as that soldier, I only saw the dumb ass Metalica video I have the gist of the book/movie.
Ive searched on a gun forum Im on for the posts on parents with severly brain damaged children, in much the same condition of Shiavo. Some where posted by parents whose children have never been able to feed themselves, one father even had his wife leave because of the severe diability to 1 of their 2 daughters.
There are people out there that would adopt a child with needs so demanding, even more so than Terri Schiavo, just to have a child.
When I was a kid my cousin was kept alive on a ventilator long enough to arrange organ donations. He had no brain activity at all, no response to stimuly volountary or otherwise.
I believe if she truely did not want to live in her condition she would have expired by now, she has not and that tells me she wants to live.
Ill be suprised if Michael Schiavo makes public her autopsy, if it actually happens.
I sympathise for Terri's brother, I have a sister and if her future husband tried this with her my dad and step mom would have guardionship of her cause I would be in jail for killing her husband. I would even plead guilty.
Constitutionaly I dont think she has recieved her due process.
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The soldier in "Johnny Got His Gun" had a functioning mind. I couldn't watch the whole movie and I had nightmares about it off and on for the longest time. The only good therapy does when the cognitive brain is shattered is to keep the physical shell in functioning condition, prolonging minimal physical functions. I'm not so sure that's a positive. [shudders]
I know I'd come back with a vengeance and haunt someone who made me waste years in that state.
I know I'd come back with a vengeance and haunt someone who made me waste years in that state.
Same here Renee
It happened to my great grandmother on my mothers side. Im not sure what was going on but she did'nt put in writing that she did'nt want to be on any type of life support. So my grandmothers brothers and sisters chose to put her own it. I was only 2 at the time but I do know my great grandmother was suffering and died a uncomfortable death. My grandparents made sure after that to have it in writing that they do not want to be on life support ever and don't want to be buried either. I guess I was just always raised to beleive our time to go was our time to go *shrugs*.
It happened to my great grandmother on my mothers side. Im not sure what was going on but she did'nt put in writing that she did'nt want to be on any type of life support. So my grandmothers brothers and sisters chose to put her own it. I was only 2 at the time but I do know my great grandmother was suffering and died a uncomfortable death. My grandparents made sure after that to have it in writing that they do not want to be on life support ever and don't want to be buried either. I guess I was just always raised to beleive our time to go was our time to go *shrugs*.
they will keep you alive forever just to collect the insurance..they will keep you on the medicare ward long past the necessary for the same reason..i learned all kinds of bad things about society working in the nursing home. I told my mother under no circumstances would i ever have a stomach tube..i don't care if there is a chance..i will not have one! I would not do chemo either..it would be pointless for me.. i can't fight off infections now!. If you call an ambulance when someone is down..especially if they are olddddddd it doesn't matter, the perimedic and the emt are legally bound to respond..you called after all. There was this situation on my ride along when i was going thru emt classes. WE arrived at a house of a young man that was in the last stages of aids. He was so pale and thin and painfully young. It ws very obvious he was dying. He needed to die, there was no quality of life there, only pain. His mother was frightened and called the ambulance so there we were. They took out the defib and held the paddles above this painfully thin chest and time stopped, i swear....the perimedic looked at the parents waiting for a nod to continue or words to stop..no body said anything. there was a little dog in the room that jumped up on me continually..it would not stop so i just ignored it..everybody just stood there for about 6 minutes..and in that time the young man met his maker. The worker lowered his arms, then put the defib away and we all walked out without saying a word. By law ..he should have used the paddles..but i am so relieved that he didn't and that the young man's parents didn't make him. I rode on the ambulance for 48 hours and did the same in a trauma center er to qualify for the liscense i earned.
I was with my gramma when she died. I had my hand on her neck checking a pulse and I felt it beat for the last time. She had been sick for a long time and the last few weeks she was in a lot of pain. I'd seen her lose so much. Her pride, her self-esteem. At one point she just hung her head. It's a long story why and quite upsetting. When I knew she was dying though it never crossed my mind once to call someone and have them prolong her life for a little longer. It was her time to go. It broke my heart to lose her of course but that's what happens. I did try to get her to hold on a few more minutes so my mom could get there. She was just five minutes away but she didn't make it. I don't think it mattered.
There is such a thing as dying with dignity. I don't think there is anything dignified about being forced to live a life like Terri is. There is no hope for change. And I'm sure if she was able to express herself she would not be pleased with what is happening.
There is such a thing as dying with dignity. I don't think there is anything dignified about being forced to live a life like Terri is. There is no hope for change. And I'm sure if she was able to express herself she would not be pleased with what is happening.
I haven't done one, but my Mom understands my horror of being trapped - she shares it - so I'm not terribly worried. I really should make a will, sign a living will, etc., although I can't think of who I really would want to turn my affairs over to if I weren't able to handle them, presuming, of course, it was a temporary need. If it were something final it wouldn't matter
i told Aaron that i would trust him to take care of my meager possessions. when i had pneumonia for a full complete year i got scared. I wasn't getting well, and i wasn' getting better either. I fell a long ways before i leveled out. There isn't much..my toys to Hyia..my books to kelly...he can divy up the artwork..my blanket to my dog..anything else clothes and such can go back where they came from..the thrift store. That is it..i would hope that The dogs would go to Mom's..and hyia and vic could grow together. I was really mad at Jim for not leaving instructions and help for his two dogs ( and meeeee) he screwed up. i guess if you have a do not res..order you should keep a copy in your billfold because what if you had an accident..and your family isn't in the car..and cannot be reached at that moment. That is what would probably happen to me..they'd already have things "installed" before anybody could change things. I heard one news report say she had a living will, i haven't had a chance to review the info Renee posted..i have heard so many different reports.
Yeah. I haven't done one either. I trust my dad the most I guess. My mom would have a really hard time letting me go even if it was in writing. She just loves me a lot. Her life has been wrapped around her kids for so long she's still learning how to deal with us not living with her and it's been ... I don't know almost 8 years I think.
