Service Dog (Assistance Dog): Advice, input, sources needed

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I'm a new poster with a strong interest in SDs. I want to get this convo back on track so I can learn more.

So what tasks can the SD be trained to mitigate OP's son's disability?
Responding to seizures
Laying across legs when on the floor
...what else?

Can the dog help in the bolting scenario? I can't think of a task the dog can be trained to perform to help that. I can see the child being trained to hold the dog's harness. You only need one task to comply with the ADA requirement (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), so the bolting/wandering task is not essential for public access but it sounds like that is something the OP really wants the dog to mitigate.
This is what I'm working on right now. :)

There are several areas I'd like for the dog to help out, if possible.

Of course, the seizures are a big one, but I understand that that's a harder thing to train as a do will either naturally recognize a seizure or it won't. But we'll just wait and see and then go from there. But yes, I'd love to have the dog come alert me to Cole having a seizure.

In terms of bolting/veering/wandering, it is my understanding that "body blocking" would be a useful technique in that the dog could/would use its body to gently prohibit him from stepping farther away. I will also employ a harness with handle which will give Cole a "job" to hold onto, while I retain the leash (obviously).

I watched some YouTube videos of the tethering thing, and while I'm not a fan of it, I can see why some parents are desperate to employ the method. I remember one day when Cole bolted from my mother and nearly made it to a 4-lane highway before an adult living nearby was able to catch home. The decisions a parent of a special needs child makes is made after much thought, and there is ALWAYS second guessing. But we do the best we can do, so rely will I ever scrutinize someone else in my position unless it is true laziness or is a form of abuse or neglect to the child or is detrimental to the child. It's one of those "walk a day in his/her shoes" things.

I'd also like for the dog to alert Cole (some way) when he's stuck in repetitive tics or self-stimulation. Often times it just takes a gentle touch from me and some redirection to get him to get back to doing whatever it is he was doing.

Cole has anxiety, and anxiety makes the above behaviors more prominent, so I'm hoping that having the dog will also help the anxiety, which in turn will reduce the behaviors.

I also want to train the dog to pressure response, such as lying across the legs. A lot of dogs are trained to lean against the chest, but is just worry of that move being more intimidating to Cole since he's a young child and not a full-grown adult.

Cole is still not completely independent in the bathroom, and while he usually tells me before he goes in, there have been times that I didn't hear him and he was stuck sitting there calling my name and I was in the other part of the house. There were also several times at night that he tried waking me up, and I didn't respond. I've cried many tears over those times where I've found my son asleep on the toilet or crying his eyes out over being all alone in there. No one understands the pain and guilt I've felt in those moments. So I also want the dog to alert me when Cole is in the bathroom.

And I also want the dog to alert Cole to when someone is calling his name. He especially has a hard time if there is a lot of noise, but sometimes he's just so zoned out that it goes right over him. But the minor hearing loss definitely results in him not really hearing clearly when there lots of noise around him (other kids being loud, toys making noise, tv on, etc.)

And of course I want the dog to come alert me/get me when something Hellenes and he sends the dog to come get me. For example, he's fallen out of bed and gotten stuck.

ETA: I'd like to remind everyone that the addition of a service dog does NOT mean that I will get to do less work or that I think my job as a mother is temporarily over. If anything, my responsibilities will be increasing. I will still continue doing what we're doing, if not just slightly modified. But agains, this is all 2 years down the road.
 
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At no point in time has it said that, to my knowledge. Certainly not in the five years I've been handling.

http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

No number of tasks is mentioned.
That is so. weird. I know I've read that three tasks was required, before... I could have *sworn* it was ADA as I was directed there by members on another forum with OT SDs... I know it had been repeated numerous times by others. I didn't even know about ADI until this past year, but maybe I had them mixed up somehow. :confused:

I'm stumped. I just searched for it, and cannot find it again. Riddle me that, Batman! :p

It seems like one task is just so minor!
 

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Not when you're on the receiving end of that task!

It's a common misconception, but yeah, it is ADI (which sets standards for SDs in other countries) that has the three task rule.
 

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Three tasks is recommended in case the legitimacy of your dog is challenged in court, so that may be where the three task being a "rule" misconception comes from.
 

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I dont have a SD, though I have multiple crippling disabilities, none are things I think a SD could help with, but I do take a keen interest in the options available and things PSD and SD can be trained FOR, and I think the stigma against it needs to go away and it needs to go away NOW. Anyone who needs it, could benefit from it, ought to have a SD and being disabled and using one should never ever be seen as "cheating"

I like this post and its thoughts concerning what a SD is all about
 

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This thread has been an interesting read. Mia I definitely recall you mentioning some of Cole's stuff that has been going on over the years and I really applaud you for doing your research and taking your time to make the best choices for your son.

I'm always afraid to even mention to people that I've been considering an SD for a few years. On the outer shell I look fine for the most part and I've been able to make it 27 years without one so I feel like people will judge me for even considering an SD. But... My disability is an invisible one and has gotten considerably worse over the years and has made living a normal life really hard these days. I do think an SD would be a major benefit and really improve my quality of life, but I'm hesitant because of what people might say.
 

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This thread has been an interesting read. Mia I definitely recall you mentioning some of Cole's stuff that has been going on over the years and I really applaud you for doing your research and taking your time to make the best choices for your son.

I'm always afraid to even mention to people that I've been considering an SD for a few years. On the outer shell I look fine for the most part and I've been able to make it 27 years without one so I feel like people will judge me for even considering an SD. But... My disability is an invisible one and has gotten considerably worse over the years and has made living a normal life really hard these days. I do think an SD would be a major benefit and really improve my quality of life, but I'm hesitant because of what people might say.
Same here, people say "you are fine, what do you need an SD for back when I was considering one. People think that if you don't have a visible disability then you are some faker who just wants to be able to take their dog into places where they aren't allowed :/
 

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Not when you're on the receiving end of that task!

It's a common misconception, but yeah, it is ADI (which sets standards for SDs in other countries) that has the three task rule.
Good point. Technically, you could say that a guide dog does just one task, leading a blind person, but really that one task is monumental.
 

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I'm always afraid to even mention to people that I've been considering an SD for a few years. On the outer shell I look fine for the most part and I've been able to make it 27 years without one so I feel like people will judge me for even considering an SD. But... My disability is an invisible one and has gotten considerably worse over the years and has made living a normal life really hard these days. I do think an SD would be a major benefit and really improve my quality of life, but I'm hesitant because of what people might say.
I have been using Steve as an SD for awhile now and I struggle a lot with fears of meeting people we know out in public while he's working. I don't look disabled. They don't know me as disabled. But the people who are close to me know and he really does help.
 

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I have been using Steve as an SD for awhile now and I struggle a lot with fears of meeting people we know out in public while he's working. I don't look disabled. They don't know me as disabled. But the people who are close to me know and he really does help.
I'm so happy he helps you!
 

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I'm so happy he helps you!
I truly don't think I could do life without him right now. He makes it possible for me to go out in public, to get my grocery shopping done. I feel stupid for needing him but I'm trying to be more accepting of my needs right now.
 

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I truly don't think I could do life without him right now. He makes it possible for me to go out in public, to get my grocery shopping done. I feel stupid for needing him but I'm trying to be more accepting of my needs right now.

(((hugs)))

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I'm just gonna go ahead and skip right over the drama..

Well here goes nothing.. you can find the threads with some great basics/curriculum my trainers follow right here: http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133074 it's the 2nd post I think.

Merlin started showing signs of alerting around 8-9 months old. Before that there was nothing to the breeder search other than finding a breeder that focused on HEALTH HEALTH HEALTH and TEMPERAMENT TEMPERAMENT TEMPERAMENT. A breeder that does early neurological stimulation? Huge plus.
But since you have already found a breeder/breed...

I don't know much about what Cole is going through specifically, since I'm an adult our needs are pretty different as far as tasks go but I'll try and give a mish mash of info

Merlin is still very much IN TRAINING, at over a year old. Right now, at "good citizen" and generally well trained dog level, he is just at the tip of the iceberg. Raising him, knowing what his future is hopefully going to be, was very different IMO than raising a regular puppy. The stakes are higher, more must be done, more must be experienced, 1000 times more socialization, more positive experiences... a pet dog that is spooked by certain flooring or someone in costume is at most an annoyance, a service dog that is spooked by certain flooring or someone in costume is a huge problem.

- Find a trainer who knows what they are doing. Private one and one training IMO is a necessity if you are doing owner-training as someone who is NOT well versed in SD training. Finding the right trainer was huge. Puppy basics are not the same as SD prospect puppy basics.
Merlin does once a week with a private trainer and a general obedience course once a week as well. When he was a puppy it was this plus twice a week socialization trips. It's a lot of time.
- As someone else said I think, have a list of tasks you want to train, not problems you want the dog to help with. For example "Teach dog to come find me/hit a mark or bell when child enters a certain room" is a task that a trainer can help you with as opposed to just the problem of the child being in certain rooms alone.
- Alerting (sadly) isn't something that can be taught. Seizure response is first priority since that is a for sure thing you can teach
- Youtube is a huge resource. There are a few youtube channels about how to train simple tasks and SD socialization
- Find out what kind of response you are looking for to him having a seizure. Merlin wakes me up with tactile stimulation, helps me get my bag and brings me my phone and medicine (it's in a special pouch), and sits next me calmly and keeps me grounded when I'm dizzy. Working on this exercise takes A LOT of practice, in A LOT of situations (how to work independently when his handler is unconscious is one of the hardest things we've dealt with so far)
-Especially with a rottie (a breed that bystanders and medical teams will already be wary of) be ready to deal with some flack and make sure that dog is 100% OK with people with sometimes big scary equipment handling cole while he is sick/hurting (which goes against what protective dogs do naturally).. I even had this problem with Merlin.
- A small pamphlet card with "My name is ______, I'm a service dog in training. I am helping my person _______. with ______" and ADA guidelines will save you a lot of time and answering the same questions 205288 times per day.

Honestly, my biggest issue is this, totally my opinion. This dog has to be Cole's dog or it's not going to be an uphill battle (especially if you are hoping this dog learns to alert). That means Cole being his NUMBER ONE PERSON. Or getting this dog to work for him ALL THE TIME and enjoy working, is going to be a nightmare (I have seen this in parents in my SD training group, the parents want it but kids with certain disabilities who are only kind of interested or just like the dog.. it doesn't work. The dog needs to listen to HIM and work because he loves HIM... or all you've hoped for, that natural awareness and looking out and everything else.. is for not.

You can train a billion tasks all day long but IMO the way a dog tenses his muscles and is in tune with you 100% when your breathing pattern changes because they know you are about to leave a room or change tasks.. it can't be trained. And you can certainly teach a dog to alert you when cole goes into the bathroom, but you can't train a dog to give a **** where cole is in the house or already be listening for him if he doesn't already care.
I would find a way to involve him in the training process and definitely in general care...and take a step back to let their bond form.

- Understand that washing out happens. It doesn't make your dog bad or you bad or the trainer bad... it just happens. Not all dogs are cut out for this work and not all kids are ok with being handlers, it brings a lot of unwanted attention and staring and frikin inappropriate questions
- Set small goals. TINY GOALS. And don't get discouraged. Getting your dog CGC certified may seem trivial and small compared to service dog work, but it's a GREAT first step and first goal. Your task list shouldn't feel like an omen.
- A dog that needs or has been taught with "firm handling" to work, is a dog that can't be handled by a child or by someone unresponsive. Remember this when looking at trainers.


Remember that every long journey begins with a single step. Work on your small goals and try not to get overwhelmed by timelines/training deadlines. There are no deadlines lol
 

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What are SD puppy basics and how does one socialize and adapt them to various public places, some of which dogs are technically allowed (Wal-Mart, mall etc ...) I have talked with my therapist and he says that while I have made progress, he says that I shouldn't write off the potential of using a SD in the future. though since it would be one of my 'personal' dogs and I am at my financial limit of four dogs now, it will have to wait.

But if I did I would purchase from a breeder (not sure of breed and not sure if breed matters or not) so I could have a better idea of temperament and upbringing in order to have a better chance of getting a puppy with solid genetic health in temperament.

though if I did go the SD route I would also be interested in seeing if maybe Josefina (who is very biddable and obedient) would be a good SD candidate. How does one find out?
 

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-Especially with a rottie (a breed that bystanders and medical teams will already be wary of) be ready to deal with some flack and make sure that dog is 100% OK with people with sometimes big scary equipment handling cole while he is sick/hurting (which goes against what protective dogs do naturally).. I even had this problem with Merlin.
Legit one of my biggest concerns.
 

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What are SD puppy basics and how does one socialize and adapt them to various public places, some of which dogs are technically allowed (Wal-Mart, mall etc ...) I have talked with my therapist and he says that while I have made progress, he says that I shouldn't write off the potential of using a SD in the future. though since it would be one of my 'personal' dogs and I am at my financial limit of four dogs now, it will have to wait.

But if I did I would purchase from a breeder (not sure of breed and not sure if breed matters or not) so I could have a better idea of temperament and upbringing in order to have a better chance of getting a puppy with solid genetic health in temperament.

though if I did go the SD route I would also be interested in seeing if maybe Josefina (who is very biddable and obedient) would be a good SD candidate. How does one find out?
I would start your own thread to get more views/replies specific to your questions :)
 

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I was going to ... but I was kind of nervous about it because I have been chastised in the past (on other forums ... not this one or the other one I am on) "what do YOU need a SD for? you don't have a disability!" or "you just want a dog that you can legally take everywhere!" so I was hesitant on starting a thread about it, I also figured it would be better to wait until I was actively pursuing getting an SD and start a thread then.

But I guess I could ... I don't want to hijack Miakoda's thread lol, but there is a wealth of info on here and I have learned a lot from all the link that everyone has posted.
 

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I would think Chaz would be very understanding, especially since we know you've been getting help for your issues!
 

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