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Gasp! Not a VOLVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another one to ponder..........
Why did the chicken cross the road?
JERRY FALWELL :
Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?' That's why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white washes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side'. That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.
Another one to ponder..........
Why did the chicken cross the road?
JERRY FALWELL :
Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?' That's why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white washes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side'. That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.
I haven't read all the replies to your question, so I may be repeating what others have said.. but here's my take on it.
It does say in the bible that being gay is a sin. I think that gay people can have faith and have a relationship with God just like straight people can. God may not condone or approve of their lifestyle since it has been deemed a sin according to his word. Do I think he will condemn them to hell.... no I don't. I do think he will expect them to ask for forgiveness on their judgement day. God forgives anyone who asks for forgiveness.
We all live in sin and no sin is worse than another sin in his eyes. I sin everyday of my life, some days I sin all day long and when I go to bed after a particularly bad day in regards to my behavior I ask for forgiveness and I try and do better. I have slips all the time, but it doesn't mean I don't love God and that I'm not going to heaven. I may not be Gay, but my sins are just as bad, just different in my eyes.
One of my friends who moved away recently has a daughter in college up here... well, she was in college until she lost her scholarship. She found out her daughter was a lesbian this year and she has shun her from the family. They are mormons.. and I'm not sure what their religion is like, I just know they have wiped their hands with her and will have nothing to do with her anymore just becuase she is gay.
They are no better than she is right now because they are sinning by shunning their own daughter and treating her like she's not worthy of the same air they breathe because of her lifestyle. My heat aches for this girl. She is so beautiful and very intelligent. She got a free ride with her college to this very expensive and elite christian college until they found out her lifestyle and she lost her scholarship. She is not jobless and has no where to live. She's staying at a friends house until she can manage to find an alternative.
I may not necessarily agree with being gay... that's just MY personal feeling about it. But I don't shun or belittle anyone who has chosen that lifestyle. Everyone needs to be accepted and loved.
It does say in the bible that being gay is a sin. I think that gay people can have faith and have a relationship with God just like straight people can. God may not condone or approve of their lifestyle since it has been deemed a sin according to his word. Do I think he will condemn them to hell.... no I don't. I do think he will expect them to ask for forgiveness on their judgement day. God forgives anyone who asks for forgiveness.
We all live in sin and no sin is worse than another sin in his eyes. I sin everyday of my life, some days I sin all day long and when I go to bed after a particularly bad day in regards to my behavior I ask for forgiveness and I try and do better. I have slips all the time, but it doesn't mean I don't love God and that I'm not going to heaven. I may not be Gay, but my sins are just as bad, just different in my eyes.
One of my friends who moved away recently has a daughter in college up here... well, she was in college until she lost her scholarship. She found out her daughter was a lesbian this year and she has shun her from the family. They are mormons.. and I'm not sure what their religion is like, I just know they have wiped their hands with her and will have nothing to do with her anymore just becuase she is gay.
They are no better than she is right now because they are sinning by shunning their own daughter and treating her like she's not worthy of the same air they breathe because of her lifestyle. My heat aches for this girl. She is so beautiful and very intelligent. She got a free ride with her college to this very expensive and elite christian college until they found out her lifestyle and she lost her scholarship. She is not jobless and has no where to live. She's staying at a friends house until she can manage to find an alternative.
I may not necessarily agree with being gay... that's just MY personal feeling about it. But I don't shun or belittle anyone who has chosen that lifestyle. Everyone needs to be accepted and loved.
Well i am glad your friends do what they want to do regardless of what others think.
To answer your question, I dont think they will hell and if they do they went for loving another person. I am lesbian and I love my girlfriend to death and I wouldn't trade her for the world no matter what anyone said.
Your friends have courage and I support them and all cpuples, homosexual or heterosexual.
To answer your question, I dont think they will hell and if they do they went for loving another person. I am lesbian and I love my girlfriend to death and I wouldn't trade her for the world no matter what anyone said.
Your friends have courage and I support them and all cpuples, homosexual or heterosexual.
We have unisex change rooms here too. Mostly at the pools for family's to use. Like if dad is going swimming with daughter and doesn't want to have to take her in the men's changeroom. Wala. Go into the family one. They have way more changing stalls in the family change rooms. So if you are shy you don't have to change in the toilet stalls.
I'm not shy though nor do I have kids so they don't benefit me but I think they were pretty good idea.
I'm not shy though nor do I have kids so they don't benefit me but I think they were pretty good idea.
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I don't know the answer- and I don't believe that anyone actually does- but I do believe Romy had a very well thought out post and it was worthy of repeating.
I have many gay friends, and a family I used to nanny for consisted of two moms and their two daughters. Who am I to tell them that their family should not be? I've never seen two children more loved and adored- ever. I am more inclined to say, live and let live than condemn people for their life choices.
I do not believe God goes around condemning good people to hell. I believe he knows what is in our hearts, and nobody else does. That is why he constantly is commanding us to not judge each other and requires us to forgive one another.
On the gay issue, my belief is that God intended a man and woman to be together. Not a popular thing these days, but because of what the scriptures say I also believe that God wants people to be celibate outside of marriage and that ain't happening either. I guess the question is, are gay relationships a sin? I don't think having romantic feelings towards a same sex person is a sin as long as those feelings aren't acted upon, i.e. extra-marital sex, because extra-marital sex is a sin. Does that line of thinking make sense? If not I'm sorry, it's pretty late. Bleh.
Anyway, if you are trying to get a feel for what Christian's stance on the subject is, you'l find that it ranges from "he's going to burn in HEELLLLL!!!" to "free love everyone!"
There are so many versions/translations/interpretations of the scriptures, you'll find it hard to get Christians to agree on anything but the basics (that being, Jesus is our saviour). Hope that helps.
On the gay issue, my belief is that God intended a man and woman to be together. Not a popular thing these days, but because of what the scriptures say I also believe that God wants people to be celibate outside of marriage and that ain't happening either. I guess the question is, are gay relationships a sin? I don't think having romantic feelings towards a same sex person is a sin as long as those feelings aren't acted upon, i.e. extra-marital sex, because extra-marital sex is a sin. Does that line of thinking make sense? If not I'm sorry, it's pretty late. Bleh.
Anyway, if you are trying to get a feel for what Christian's stance on the subject is, you'l find that it ranges from "he's going to burn in HEELLLLL!!!" to "free love everyone!"
There are so many versions/translations/interpretations of the scriptures, you'll find it hard to get Christians to agree on anything but the basics (that being, Jesus is our saviour). Hope that helps.
Thank you all for your very wise contributions, that exludes the silliness from Dizzy and I, we are both in the middle of adult education and do not particulary feel like acting like adults all the time! LOL!
It is so good to hear that most people are happy to accept others for what they are. My personal feeling are, if god made us all then he made us in our entirety, if it has been proven that the brains of gay people and hetro people differ then we must have been born that way. So god made us hetro and gay. Meh, I don't know, I also don't care. I love all my friends, gay or straight and I think if there is a god, he does too.
It is so good to hear that most people are happy to accept others for what they are. My personal feeling are, if god made us all then he made us in our entirety, if it has been proven that the brains of gay people and hetro people differ then we must have been born that way. So god made us hetro and gay. Meh, I don't know, I also don't care. I love all my friends, gay or straight and I think if there is a god, he does too.
my personal opinion...
ANY god that is so petty and closed minded to condem someone to hell simply based on their sexuality after a life of good...
is not the omnipitont, all knowing, all loving being he/she/it is supposedly made out to be.
since scinece has proven that "gayness" is actually a difference in the brain then yes gay people are born gay (same goes for the transgendered) and any god that would condem them simply for not saying "im sorry im gay" before dying (which in my opinion is a stupid rule leaving it open to people much worse...all sin will be forgiven if you ask for it?! since that rule is inclusive it means child molesters, rapists murderers..) is not a god i can honestly belive is worthy of worship.
but what do i know, im pagan, we ok with pretty much anyone who doesnt try and burn us at the stake or condem us for our path of choice...so sure, go be gay, go be happy, just dont hurt anyone in the bad way along your path. and if god wont let you in for it...
dont worry the heathens are having a great party on the beach "down south"
ANY god that is so petty and closed minded to condem someone to hell simply based on their sexuality after a life of good...
is not the omnipitont, all knowing, all loving being he/she/it is supposedly made out to be.
since scinece has proven that "gayness" is actually a difference in the brain then yes gay people are born gay (same goes for the transgendered) and any god that would condem them simply for not saying "im sorry im gay" before dying (which in my opinion is a stupid rule leaving it open to people much worse...all sin will be forgiven if you ask for it?! since that rule is inclusive it means child molesters, rapists murderers..) is not a god i can honestly belive is worthy of worship.
but what do i know, im pagan, we ok with pretty much anyone who doesnt try and burn us at the stake or condem us for our path of choice...so sure, go be gay, go be happy, just dont hurt anyone in the bad way along your path. and if god wont let you in for it...
dont worry the heathens are having a great party on the beach "down south"
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“And with a man you shall not lie with as a man lies with a woman; it is an abomination.†– 18:22
“If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.†– Leviticus 20:13
How you interpret these verses is your choice. Personally, do I believe that God really wants us, as Christians do kill homosexuals? No. The 10 Commandments state that you shall not murder.
I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is picking out the above verses and condemning them, but not noticing what the rest of the text has to say, which, in Leviticus 18, is, “No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations,†and later, “Everyone who does any of these detestable things – such persons must be cut off from their people.†You should consider how you interpret that last verse. What exactly does “cut off from their people†mean? Leviticus 20 states such things like adultery, sleeping with relatives, etcetera, as sins. Is homosexuality a sin, according to the Bible? Yes. As is adultery, sexual relations with relatives, sexual relations with animals… No one is worse than the other. They’re all sins. That is what many people fail to realize. You can’t just pick and choose verses. EVERYONE is a sinner. Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals….are all sinners. Homosexuals and bisexuals simply commit a sin that heterosexuals do not.
Do I think homosexuals are going to hell? 1 Corinthians 6:9 says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.†This could be interpreted as homosexuals (nor anyone else who commits any of the above sins) will go to Heaven. You have to think carefully about how you interpret the Word. This verse goes back to picking and choosing verses. This verse states that not only homosexuals, but also drunks, thieves, greedy people, etcetera, will inherit the kingdom of God. Personally, do I think gay people are going to the fiery pits of Hell? I hate when people consider themselves worthy enough as to say who is going where. Only God knows who is going where. You cannot put yourself in the place of God, and choose who goes to Heaven, and who goes to Hell. Only He can. I do believe that everyone will receive their judgment day. “I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.†– Luke 15:7
Matthew 7:21 says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.â€
Being a Christian is about following the ways of the Lord, not the ways of the world; following the Bible, the 10 commandments, praising God, and doing everything in the name of Jesus. As a Christian, I am put on this earth to spread the word of God, not to judge others for their sins and act as if I am sinless. Matthew 7:1-2 says, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you,†and Leviticus 19:18 reads, “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against your people, but love your neighbor as yourself.†I am here to spread the Word of God, and to being a loving friend to all. I will not have any success in spreading the Word without love. I am not here to judge others. One of my favorite sayings is “hate the sin, love the sinner,†by Ghandi. And let us remember that “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no records of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always persevere. Love never fails.†And later, “and now these three remain:faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.†1 Corinthians 13:4-8, and 13.
“If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.†– Leviticus 20:13
How you interpret these verses is your choice. Personally, do I believe that God really wants us, as Christians do kill homosexuals? No. The 10 Commandments state that you shall not murder.
I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is picking out the above verses and condemning them, but not noticing what the rest of the text has to say, which, in Leviticus 18, is, “No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations,†and later, “Everyone who does any of these detestable things – such persons must be cut off from their people.†You should consider how you interpret that last verse. What exactly does “cut off from their people†mean? Leviticus 20 states such things like adultery, sleeping with relatives, etcetera, as sins. Is homosexuality a sin, according to the Bible? Yes. As is adultery, sexual relations with relatives, sexual relations with animals… No one is worse than the other. They’re all sins. That is what many people fail to realize. You can’t just pick and choose verses. EVERYONE is a sinner. Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals….are all sinners. Homosexuals and bisexuals simply commit a sin that heterosexuals do not.
Do I think homosexuals are going to hell? 1 Corinthians 6:9 says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.†This could be interpreted as homosexuals (nor anyone else who commits any of the above sins) will go to Heaven. You have to think carefully about how you interpret the Word. This verse goes back to picking and choosing verses. This verse states that not only homosexuals, but also drunks, thieves, greedy people, etcetera, will inherit the kingdom of God. Personally, do I think gay people are going to the fiery pits of Hell? I hate when people consider themselves worthy enough as to say who is going where. Only God knows who is going where. You cannot put yourself in the place of God, and choose who goes to Heaven, and who goes to Hell. Only He can. I do believe that everyone will receive their judgment day. “I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.†– Luke 15:7
Matthew 7:21 says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.â€
Being a Christian is about following the ways of the Lord, not the ways of the world; following the Bible, the 10 commandments, praising God, and doing everything in the name of Jesus. As a Christian, I am put on this earth to spread the word of God, not to judge others for their sins and act as if I am sinless. Matthew 7:1-2 says, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you,†and Leviticus 19:18 reads, “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against your people, but love your neighbor as yourself.†I am here to spread the Word of God, and to being a loving friend to all. I will not have any success in spreading the Word without love. I am not here to judge others. One of my favorite sayings is “hate the sin, love the sinner,†by Ghandi. And let us remember that “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no records of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always persevere. Love never fails.†And later, “and now these three remain:faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.†1 Corinthians 13:4-8, and 13.
Not picking on you specifically Foxy, just this idea you put forth.
Sin is sin... In God's eyes no sin is any more "bad" than another. ALL sin condems you to death... UNLESS... You repent of that sin. When you repent of sin (and you REALLY mean it, God knows your heart like no person can) you should desire to not commit that sin anymore.
What I see in a lot of posts in this thread is "anger" at God for not being what YOU (the poster, not just you Foxy) think He should be. I really tire of being accused of being "closed minded" all the time. I am FAR from it. However, my beliefs and values are rock solid and not open to compromise, based simply on which way the wind is blowing.
Homosexual people are not special. Their struggle (in Gods eye) is no different than a person who struggles with another form of sin.
OK, now I AM picking on you.
First, I'd love to see your source material that says science has "proven" a homosexual gene.
Second, this argument is weak. Because even IF there is a gene that leads a person to be homosexual, that should not forgive the sin. The average male has genes that urge him to have sex with as many women as possible. So should that practice be considered OK, I mean my GENES are making me do it. Like I said, we all struggle with different forms of sin. Just because I have a itch, does not mean I should scratch it, if it is not good for me to do so.
Remember, we are talking about how GOD sees us, not how we see us. Also, the orginal question was asked to Christians and how we see it.
That is the beauty of salvation. It is open to ALL at ANY time. There is ALWAYS hope. God loves us more than our minds can possibly fathom. He wants us to commune with Him. All he asks is that we repent our sins and try to live as He wants us to.
I find it interesting that while you reject the ideas of Christianity, you accept the sterotype of what hell is going to be. It won't be a party, thats all I will say.
Sin is sin... In God's eyes no sin is any more "bad" than another. ALL sin condems you to death... UNLESS... You repent of that sin. When you repent of sin (and you REALLY mean it, God knows your heart like no person can) you should desire to not commit that sin anymore.
What I see in a lot of posts in this thread is "anger" at God for not being what YOU (the poster, not just you Foxy) think He should be. I really tire of being accused of being "closed minded" all the time. I am FAR from it. However, my beliefs and values are rock solid and not open to compromise, based simply on which way the wind is blowing.
Homosexual people are not special. Their struggle (in Gods eye) is no different than a person who struggles with another form of sin.
OK, now I AM picking on you.
First, I'd love to see your source material that says science has "proven" a homosexual gene.
Second, this argument is weak. Because even IF there is a gene that leads a person to be homosexual, that should not forgive the sin. The average male has genes that urge him to have sex with as many women as possible. So should that practice be considered OK, I mean my GENES are making me do it. Like I said, we all struggle with different forms of sin. Just because I have a itch, does not mean I should scratch it, if it is not good for me to do so.
Remember, we are talking about how GOD sees us, not how we see us. Also, the orginal question was asked to Christians and how we see it.
That is the beauty of salvation. It is open to ALL at ANY time. There is ALWAYS hope. God loves us more than our minds can possibly fathom. He wants us to commune with Him. All he asks is that we repent our sins and try to live as He wants us to.
I find it interesting that while you reject the ideas of Christianity, you accept the sterotype of what hell is going to be. It won't be a party, thats all I will say.