Question: When is enough enough?
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Exactly. We mustn't be policitally incorrect or "judgemental" now, mustn't we. "Illegal" is such a nasty sounding word....it's just plain discriminatory, isn't it. We have to search for just the right word. So, "undocumented" sounds so much nicer.
Exactly. We mustn't be policitally incorrect or "judgemental" now, mustn't we. "Illegal" is such a nasty sounding word....it's just plain discriminatory, isn't it. We have to search for just the right word. So, "undocumented" sounds so much nicer.
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i'm not politically correct, I call them Mexicans legal or not. I still think if all of you think the illegal aliens, immigrants, whatever are the problem in this country I think you're a bit off in your thinking.
as for the 6 to a semi deal, well someone isn't doing their job. They have to have travel logs. They should be checked. They check their stops, milage and times. If they're driving 6 to a cab and never stopping for anything, well some red blooded American is probably dropping the ball and letting them get away with it.
I'd love to see your complaints when they all get sent home. It's kind of like the sweat shops in Thialand. We all love our cheap stuff, and when we have to pay we bitch, or work to hard we bitch, and when we see how the workers do things so we can have cheap stuff, its too close to home and we bitch.
carry on
as for the 6 to a semi deal, well someone isn't doing their job. They have to have travel logs. They should be checked. They check their stops, milage and times. If they're driving 6 to a cab and never stopping for anything, well some red blooded American is probably dropping the ball and letting them get away with it.
I'd love to see your complaints when they all get sent home. It's kind of like the sweat shops in Thialand. We all love our cheap stuff, and when we have to pay we bitch, or work to hard we bitch, and when we see how the workers do things so we can have cheap stuff, its too close to home and we bitch.
carry on
My ex husband, his brother and some other friends we know escaped from Czechoslovakia back in the late 60's when the Russians were marching into Prague, just before they closed the borders. Prior to this they had to obtain a vacation visa from Austria. They actually wanted to stay in Austria, but that governement wouldn't allow them perminent status, but they were allowed to stay there for 5 years in Vienna where they worked hard. Meanwhile they requested a vacation visa from America, which they finally got.
They had to have sponsers who lived here and had to go through all kinds of red tape in order to stay and work temporarily. (green cards etc) They had NO governement assistance whatsoever, no paid medical, no food stamps, no free housing. They struggled hard at first. They had come only with the clothes on their backs. When they were in Austria before they got permission to work, they slept in the winter in door ways like bums, with no winter coats. They were hungry and cold that first winter. The governement didn't do anything to help them and neither did anyone else. But it was a price they were willing to pay to escape from opression in hopes of making a better life for themselves.
A couple of years later, my ex went to school to take a citizenship class. He spoke little to no English at the time. (I taught him English). The citizenship class is very difficult....all about how our government works, history etc, something that many Americans couldn't pass. No one wrote his books in Czech or in German, which he had, by this time learned. No, it was in English. (probably in Spanish too) He passed his test and became a US citizen. My Mom threw a big party of celebration and congratulations for him. (He was my boyfriend at that time) All this took some time to achieve.
Several years later, after we were married and had children, we read in the newspaper about a man from Poland who had jumped from a fishing ship in Vancouver BC and had come to the border in Blaine, Washington with a note which read, "I am seeking political asylum. I want to be free. Please help me." He could not speak English. He was thrown in the Snohomish County Jail where he languished and was ignored for 2 months before a female warden brought him a dictionary and an intrepeter to help him.
We read this in the paper and I was outraged. Yes, he entered illegally, technically, but he wasn't trying to pull a fast one on anyone or trying to get a job when he wasn't given permission or taking jobs from anyone. He was asking for help so he could go through the proper channels.
We went to visit him in jail, got him an immigration attorney (pro bono) who said that if he had come to Chicago or NY, this would NOT have happened. They simply didn't know what the heck to do with him in Washington state.
He eventually got out of jail and after a very long, drawn out bunch of red tape, months and months, possibly over a year, he finally had a temporary visa.
He fell in love with the interpreter's daughter and they married and had two children. By this time, we were good friends with these people and he was learning English quite well.
All of a sudden, seemingly out of the clear blue sky, some more red tape reared it's ugly head. He was being forced to return to Poland for 6 months and then he could re-enter this counry if he went through he proper channels. He just didn't seem to have all the ducks in a row. His attorney must have screwed something up. I don't know all the details.
So, here's this married guy with kids and a job which he found, supporting his family with NO governement assistance in any way.... being sent back to Poland for 6 months while his family struggles along. This is what our country does to Europeans who want to be free, Europeans who helped build this country, who are most of our ancestors!!!!!!!!
Why is it that it's OK for some to be here illegally and not for others? Well, I think I know the answer. It's all about business. That just isn't right. Whether or not they make cheap goods isn't the point. Whether or not we like that they make cheap goods isn't the point. The point is, if there is a system and there are laws, then they need to be applied to everyone, not just people of one or two nationalities.
Besides perfectly lovely people entering this country for a better life, there are also a staggering number of creeps entering this country illegally, many into Florida, people bringing drugs in by the ship loads and with them violent crime which goes with drugs. Why is this happening? Business again. If it weren't for corrupt officials, we wouldn't have such a huge drug problem. For all the lives being destroyed by drugs, all the children whose future is built on drugs, we can thank our governement for not protecting them and us. They have fallen drastically short of their duties. And this principle, of allowing what they're allowing contributes to it in a huge way....this principle of slip shod, lenient slop and not upholding their own regulations and laws is abominable. Laws are made for a reason. This is NOT what our forefathers had in mind when they said, "give me your tired your poor."
They had to have sponsers who lived here and had to go through all kinds of red tape in order to stay and work temporarily. (green cards etc) They had NO governement assistance whatsoever, no paid medical, no food stamps, no free housing. They struggled hard at first. They had come only with the clothes on their backs. When they were in Austria before they got permission to work, they slept in the winter in door ways like bums, with no winter coats. They were hungry and cold that first winter. The governement didn't do anything to help them and neither did anyone else. But it was a price they were willing to pay to escape from opression in hopes of making a better life for themselves.
A couple of years later, my ex went to school to take a citizenship class. He spoke little to no English at the time. (I taught him English). The citizenship class is very difficult....all about how our government works, history etc, something that many Americans couldn't pass. No one wrote his books in Czech or in German, which he had, by this time learned. No, it was in English. (probably in Spanish too) He passed his test and became a US citizen. My Mom threw a big party of celebration and congratulations for him. (He was my boyfriend at that time) All this took some time to achieve.
Several years later, after we were married and had children, we read in the newspaper about a man from Poland who had jumped from a fishing ship in Vancouver BC and had come to the border in Blaine, Washington with a note which read, "I am seeking political asylum. I want to be free. Please help me." He could not speak English. He was thrown in the Snohomish County Jail where he languished and was ignored for 2 months before a female warden brought him a dictionary and an intrepeter to help him.
We read this in the paper and I was outraged. Yes, he entered illegally, technically, but he wasn't trying to pull a fast one on anyone or trying to get a job when he wasn't given permission or taking jobs from anyone. He was asking for help so he could go through the proper channels.
We went to visit him in jail, got him an immigration attorney (pro bono) who said that if he had come to Chicago or NY, this would NOT have happened. They simply didn't know what the heck to do with him in Washington state.
He eventually got out of jail and after a very long, drawn out bunch of red tape, months and months, possibly over a year, he finally had a temporary visa.
He fell in love with the interpreter's daughter and they married and had two children. By this time, we were good friends with these people and he was learning English quite well.
All of a sudden, seemingly out of the clear blue sky, some more red tape reared it's ugly head. He was being forced to return to Poland for 6 months and then he could re-enter this counry if he went through he proper channels. He just didn't seem to have all the ducks in a row. His attorney must have screwed something up. I don't know all the details.
So, here's this married guy with kids and a job which he found, supporting his family with NO governement assistance in any way.... being sent back to Poland for 6 months while his family struggles along. This is what our country does to Europeans who want to be free, Europeans who helped build this country, who are most of our ancestors!!!!!!!!
Why is it that it's OK for some to be here illegally and not for others? Well, I think I know the answer. It's all about business. That just isn't right. Whether or not they make cheap goods isn't the point. Whether or not we like that they make cheap goods isn't the point. The point is, if there is a system and there are laws, then they need to be applied to everyone, not just people of one or two nationalities.
Besides perfectly lovely people entering this country for a better life, there are also a staggering number of creeps entering this country illegally, many into Florida, people bringing drugs in by the ship loads and with them violent crime which goes with drugs. Why is this happening? Business again. If it weren't for corrupt officials, we wouldn't have such a huge drug problem. For all the lives being destroyed by drugs, all the children whose future is built on drugs, we can thank our governement for not protecting them and us. They have fallen drastically short of their duties. And this principle, of allowing what they're allowing contributes to it in a huge way....this principle of slip shod, lenient slop and not upholding their own regulations and laws is abominable. Laws are made for a reason. This is NOT what our forefathers had in mind when they said, "give me your tired your poor."
Dober, political asylum cases are some of the most labor (and frustration) intensive cases there are. The attorney probably DID miss something - mainly because an attorney who really was experienced with political asylum cases would think long and hard before taking one pro bono. Those cases cost a bloody fortune to work.
And even when you dot all the i-s and cross all the t-s, there's no guarantee that some ambitious (or bored) paper squirrel somewhere isn't going to pull something out of his ass to send you back to square one.
And even when you dot all the i-s and cross all the t-s, there's no guarantee that some ambitious (or bored) paper squirrel somewhere isn't going to pull something out of his ass to send you back to square one.
Of course not. But many of the drugs we have come from spanish speaking countries....Cuba, Mexico, Columbia. And with drugs comes more crime. Yes, Americans are comitting the crimes right along with them. But the source of many of the drugs is very often from these countries. Many in our governement are corrupt and that's why the problem doesn't go away.
It's not about cheap stuff at all. It's about corporate profits. Nothing is cheap anymore. Currently, the cost of goods and services in America are increasing disproportionately to salaries. As a matter of fact, it is costing not only the taxpayers but the people who have to pay for their own health care (or part of it, even). As millions of people utilize our hospitals and medical care for free, who do you think pays for this in outrageous premiums that grow in double digits every year? And why are we not considering the poverty and lack of health care among our own legal citizens first? An illegal alien can go to the emergency room, get all kinds of care and never have to worry about losing their house to pay for it. Last year better than 50 percent of American bankruptcies were due to a family health care crises. How fair is this?
We have had hospitals close down in America because they can no longer afford to stay open, pay their overhead, pay their employees, to treat the majority of people for free. People in America can no longer afford their own health insurance because of the taxing affect on our medical system. I won't even get into the resurgence of diseases that we once no longer "enjoyed". When someone enters a country with a communicable disease, it doesn't take long before diseases we once didn't have to worry about any longer begin to reoccur. When they come here and have their babies, their babies are citizens and suddenly they have all the rights and privileges hard working Americans had to work for years to get. We talk every day about terr'ism, yet anyone can enter this country illegally. Where is the security in that. We arrest our border guards and throw them in jail for doing their jobs. Where is the justice in that?
Report: Illegal Aliens and American Medicine
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
We have had hospitals close down in America because they can no longer afford to stay open, pay their overhead, pay their employees, to treat the majority of people for free. People in America can no longer afford their own health insurance because of the taxing affect on our medical system. I won't even get into the resurgence of diseases that we once no longer "enjoyed". When someone enters a country with a communicable disease, it doesn't take long before diseases we once didn't have to worry about any longer begin to reoccur. When they come here and have their babies, their babies are citizens and suddenly they have all the rights and privileges hard working Americans had to work for years to get. We talk every day about terr'ism, yet anyone can enter this country illegally. Where is the security in that. We arrest our border guards and throw them in jail for doing their jobs. Where is the justice in that?
Report: Illegal Aliens and American Medicine
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
We love you too. 
You're absolutely right. It isn't really cheap at all. It only appears that way on the surface. It's costing us tax payers everything. If they'd let us keep our money instead of taxing us to pay for everyone else, maybe we'd have enough to take care of ourselves. The whole thing is sickening. Good link thereToscasmom...so true and so sickening.
Thats 2 that have said how hard it is. I stand corrected. If I am wrong about that I am sorry. But my great grandparents did it the right way , I am not a "native american" . I commend those who seek to better thier lives. Leaving the country in which you were born must be a huge step and a lot of uncertainty. I would think to have the proper documentation would be the right way to go.
Can somebody please tell me why it is ok for the likes of Jesse Jackson and others like the lady I spoke to can get away with such OBVIOUS RACISM?????? I want my daughter to apply for the " American Negro College Fund " and then sue for discrimination. I wonder how far we would get with an "American Caucasian Not OF Hispanic Decent College Fund." I told my daughter to study She doesn't have being a minority to fall back on and IMO it's BS.