Question: When is enough enough?

[GlassOnion]

Ok so have you heard about May Day? Now I don't support illegal immigrant rights at all. I think they should be arrested and deported. But I don't support violation of citizen rights either. And I'm sure there were quite a few of them there, including the news reporters shown in this video.

So when is enough enough? They had a permit to be there, the right to assemble. That's the very first amendment of the constitution.

The video reports that a few people were being rowdy. Well ok, they should have been arrested individually. You don't open fire (non-lethal, but still) on the entire crowd of a LEGAL protest.

Now in the first video it says that there was no warning and the cops just started opening fire. That's not entirely true seen in this video.

But why were they trying to disperse it to begin with? You can see in both videos that it wasn't a mob, it wasn't a riot. There were a few unruly people I'm sure but they should have been plucked out by police on hand.

So when is enough enough? How many of our rights must be infringed upon before we do something?

I'm not trying to start an illegal immigrant debate or anything, this is just food for thought about our rights and how they seem to be diminishing.

 

[bubbatd]

Legal means just that ----WITH permits !!

 

[Fran27]

Reminds me of Children of Men...

 

[Doberluv]

Illegal aliens shouldn't have ANY rights at all in this country. They're breaking the law. Citizens, yes. Here, check this out.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/01/Dobbs.May2/index.html

 

[Jules]

I have no idea why they are shooting the rubber bullets into the crowd the way they did. The way they handled the situation is ridiculous to me. LAPD... huh? One reason more not to move there.

Other than that... this is not immigration day. It is Mexican immigration day. I don't run up and down the street with a German flag in my hand to protest for my friends to come here. Maybe I should next year *chuckle*

 

[casablanca1]

From the Lou Dobbs piece mentioned above:

May Day was a peculiar choice for those demonstrations, a day in many countries in which international socialism is celebrated and a reminder of those old Soviet Union military parades.

That's what I thought. Weird choice of days. Though Dobbs is now apparently in hot water for comparing pro-illegal groups to Hitler's head of propaganda...

On a related note, there was a story on World News last night about one result of the immigration debate - the unfortunate resurgence of the (makes me cringe to write this) American Nazi Party, and the KKK.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk...ubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk

 

[oriondw]

May Day, is national holiday in alot of Europe as a world day of solidarity of working people.


This hijacking by mexicans isnt nice.

 

[Renee750il]

So when is enough enough? How many of our rights must be infringed upon before we do something?

I'm not trying to start an illegal immigrant debate or anything, this is just food for thought about our rights and how they seem to be diminishing.

Please tell me you aren't just noticing this now?

Go read the PATRIOT Act.

 

[GlassOnion]

No, not just noticing it. Noticed it for a while now.

This just happend to be the proverbial straw.


And yes, I'm sure there were illegal immigrants in that crowd and no, I don't think they deserve any rights either BUT there were also citizens in that crowd, and they do deserve rights. So we should sacrifice the rights of our citizens to get rid of the illegal immigrants? I don't think so.

 

[Renee750il]

May Day, is national holiday in alot of Europe as a world day of solidarity of working people.


This hijacking by mexicans isnt nice.

Heheh . . . Dmitri . . . May Day was hijacked long, long, long ago by Christians

Nos Galon Mai, also called May Day, Beltainne: (pronounced Bel-tinna, also known as Beltain, Beltane, May Day etc.), is a Sabbat celebrating fertility and the union of the young God and the Goddess. This is a wonderful celebration of the love between the God and Goddess. It is their sacred marriage. (This is where the God and Goddess concieve the spring for the following year born at Imbolc.) Celebrated with your loved one, now is the time to lay in the fertile soil and germinate those seeds you planted. In Celtic mythology this is the beginning of summer, or the growing time. Colours for this sabbat: Red and White (red for Her womb and white for His semen. It's a fertility thing), and green for the background.
At this time, life is renewing itself. Birds and animals are mating. In the fields, newly planted seeds are beginning to grow. Great fires are lit honoring the fertility God Belenos. Some leap the fires to show the exuberance of the season. Maypoles are erected and bright ribbons are entwined around it. The Maypole, a phallic symbol, represents the masculine. The soft, colorful ribbons represent the feminine. The union of the two symbolizes the union of the God and Goddess. This is the time to fertilize your dreams with action. It is legend that children conceived at Beltane were gifted by the gods.
Nos Galon Mai ushers in the fifth month of the modern calendar year, the month of May. This month is named in honor of the goddess Maia, originally a Greek mountain nymph, later identified as the most beautiful of the Seven Sisters, the Pleiades. By Zeus, she is also the mother of Hermes, god of magic. Maia's parents were Atlas and Pleione, a sea nymph.

The old Celtic name for May Day is Beltane (in its most popular Anglicized form), which is derived from the Irish Gaelic 'Bealtaine' or the Scottish Gaelic 'Bealtuinn', meaning 'Bel-fire', the fire of the Celtic god of light (Bel, Beli or Belinus). He, in turn, may be traced to the Middle Eastern god Baal.

Other names for May Day include: Cetsamhain ('opposite Samhain'), Walpurgisnacht (in Germany), and Roodmas (the medieval Church's name). This last came from Church Fathers who were hoping to shift the common people's allegiance from the Maypole (Pagan lingham - symbol of life) to the Holy Rood (the Cross - Roman instrument of death).

 

[casablanca1]

And then it got hijacked by the anti-Christian commies. Funny old world.

 

[Aussie Red]

I can not understand how legal citizens of this country can support the inflow of illegals.
It irritates me to no end that they come here saying that their country is so bad and then fly the flag of that country they chose to leave in our face.
If you want to be here you have every right to do it but it must follow the prescribed course not border jumping !!
Now I watched the videos and I heard the police telling them to break it up and move on. The helicopter was very loud and clear as were the bull horns.
Seems to me that if you stayed you got what you were asking for. Simple if you are here illegally and then want to protest your status in the country as if you are in the right why would anyone expect you to follow a loud and clear police order ?
I saw a man holding a young child between him and the police line and the child waving a Mexican flag after being told to leave. Who would have been at fault if that baby had taken a bullet ? This whole thing is sheer stupidity. Why would any rational person bring a child to a protest where there stands to be violence ? I saw people willfully disobeying direct orders and picking up boards etc to fight the police.
Sorry America but I stand on the side of obeying the law and the side that these people have broken the laws of this nation and need to be deported. They are more then welcome to apply for citizenship the same way my folks did.
These are law breakers and are not going to get any sympathy from me or support. I can not understand any citizen supporting criminals.
To me they brought on the violence by
A) breaking the law of entry into this country
B) marching for rights they are not entitled to
C) flying the flag of the country they thought bad enough to leave
D) having signs saying the president of the country you entered illegally is a liar
E) not obeying orders given by those sworn to uphold the law

I wonder how well we as American citizens would be received marching into Mexico waving American flags and demanding rights? I bet we would be seen by the world as aggressive and taking over. An act of war if you will. I doubt they would use tear gas and rubber bullets.
Any citizen that supports illegal immigrants and chooses to march with them gets what he deserves. No one really knows what events spurred the police to take this action do they? Groups who are protesting something can be peaceful but from the looks of some in this group I highly doubt it. And being that I grew up in this area and know that in the MacArthur park area it is filled with shootings and violence daily. Did anyone consider that ? This is the bad area of Los Angeles and not too far from the Watts riots and the Rodney King incident. I strongly suspect that the police had just cause to do what they did. The rest may see it differently so be it I grew up there and violence is the order of the day.

 

[Renee750il]

having signs saying the president of the country you entered illegally is a liar

But truth is truth no matter whose mouth it comes from . . .

 

[bubbatd]

What gets me is how someone can come illegally to have their baby ( now American ) and we have to pay for it now ! Whenever I see a family at the grocery buying more than I can on food stamps , I wonder if they are legal or not . Our crime is up here too .... more police are having to learn Spanish to read the criminals their rites . Sorry if I'm bitter !

 

[Aussie Red]

But truth is truth no matter whose mouth it comes from . . .

:lol-sign: No denial there but I as a citizen have earned the right to say it here lol. They can say it in the country they have citizenship in thank you.

 

[whatszmatter]

I think Illegal immigrants are becoming too easy of a scapegoat in America. They are here for a reason. #1 they work, our American companies and businesses like them because they work, and they work hard. If our lazy, "i'm the victim" minded brothers and sisters or children would do it, our American Companies wouldn't be hiring them, and they wouldn't be coming here for nothing.

If all the illegals were gone tomorrow, our economy would suffer greatly, I bet the state of CA would shut down. We'd all have much more to bitch about if they were all sent packing.

I don't believe we are all supporting illegals. I see white, home bred americans abusing the system far more greatly every single **** day, to a much larger extent than I see mexican immigrants, illegal or not. All the ones I see, are paying cash, are working, and paying their bills. THey have jobs, the contribute.

I don't see them sitting on porches smoking cigarettes, sitting in a bar, sitting in their front yard all day with 3 kids in diapers running around with a chained dog on the stoop, while they sit with Budweiser in hand and smoke in the other.

The sooner we clean up our own act, and quit using this "illegal" immigrant thing as a scapegoat the better off we'll all be.

 

[Zoom]

There was an indie flick a couple years ago about that called "A Day Without Mexicans" and what happens in (I think it was) California when all of a sudden all the Mexicans just disappeared overnight.

 

[Renee750il]

I think Illegal immigrants are becoming too easy of a scapegoat in America. They are here for a reason. #1 they work, our American companies and businesses like them because they work, and they work hard. If our lazy, "i'm the victim" minded brothers and sisters or children would do it, our American Companies wouldn't be hiring them, and they wouldn't be coming here for nothing.

Like them? There's an understatement. They pay to have undocumented workers imported . . . It's a big business.

 

[GlassOnion]

The reason some people don't like them is the illegal immigrants are willing to work under minimum wage because it's better than they can get in Mexico. Where as American citizens have to be paid the minimum wage, so if you're a business who are you going to hire? The person you have to pay more or the one you can get away with paying less?

There ya go.

 

[Zoom]

A century ago, the Irish were thought of in the same light for the same reasons. They'd work for a lot cheaper than anyone else, just to have some money. Now, it's awesome to be Irish.