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Wow! What an interesting conversation with so many intelligent posts! Thank you all so much!
Personally the best thing I can give my partner is my heart and soul. My virginity is not all that sorely missed! Trust me!
Besdies, I want to enjoy my wedding night and to me intense ripping pain is not fun!
I still do not believe sex before marrige is wrong. I do not feel guilty about it at all, so therefore my morals say it is fine. BF has no problem with it either. I am sure God is down with it too! LOL!
Strange story. My life was pretty rotten a while back. I was broke, unhappy, my car was failing me. I really thought things could not get any worse. Then I met Joss. He introduced me to God. This is going to sound really corney! But ever since I started talking to Him and developing my faith, things started going really well. Joss and I are getting closer and closer, I just got a nice new car and made some money off my old one. My flat is being carpeted and for some reason, I just seem to be making money left right and center!
I really do believe God is rewarding me for trusting him. I never asked for any of this, it just keeps coming my way. Now I think I need to donate some of the money I have made to say thank you for the helping hand. The problem is, which charity?
I need opinions here. I think that seeing Christmas is coming up and it is His holiday, I should see if I can drum up some toys and lucky packets etc for the kids at the Red Cross Childrens Hospital. The little ones with cancer and burns, in there over Christmas. I know that it is what God would want me to do. What do you think?
Personally the best thing I can give my partner is my heart and soul. My virginity is not all that sorely missed! Trust me!
Besdies, I want to enjoy my wedding night and to me intense ripping pain is not fun!
I still do not believe sex before marrige is wrong. I do not feel guilty about it at all, so therefore my morals say it is fine. BF has no problem with it either. I am sure God is down with it too! LOL!
Strange story. My life was pretty rotten a while back. I was broke, unhappy, my car was failing me. I really thought things could not get any worse. Then I met Joss. He introduced me to God. This is going to sound really corney! But ever since I started talking to Him and developing my faith, things started going really well. Joss and I are getting closer and closer, I just got a nice new car and made some money off my old one. My flat is being carpeted and for some reason, I just seem to be making money left right and center!
I really do believe God is rewarding me for trusting him. I never asked for any of this, it just keeps coming my way. Now I think I need to donate some of the money I have made to say thank you for the helping hand. The problem is, which charity?
I need opinions here. I think that seeing Christmas is coming up and it is His holiday, I should see if I can drum up some toys and lucky packets etc for the kids at the Red Cross Childrens Hospital. The little ones with cancer and burns, in there over Christmas. I know that it is what God would want me to do. What do you think?
Do you belong to a church? They could probably tell you of some organizations that have children in need. And I know they have toys for tots program. At our work we sponsor a family in need every christmas. It is usually a poor family who would not have money to even buy any gifts for the kids. It's a nice feeling to help out someone in need.
I don't belong to a church Nancy, I think it would do my faith harm. I find allot of church people are very judgemental and harsh of others. Not all mind you, just quite allot.
There are just so many needy children in South Africa and I feel it would be great if I could give to the Hospital, they are always looking for help and they send "Santa" with the gifts for the little ones in hospital. You should see their little faces!
There are just so many needy children in South Africa and I feel it would be great if I could give to the Hospital, they are always looking for help and they send "Santa" with the gifts for the little ones in hospital. You should see their little faces!
Just thinking out loud here.....
If you believe Jesus died for your sins and that Gods word is law - and that the bible is God's word (albeit, filtered by the imperfections of man)......then if God's word says don't have sex until you're married, it should be a no-brainer and to say otherwise is basically picking a choosing what suits you now instead of really living based on your faith.
If, on the other hand you believe that the bible is more of a 'hand-book' to pick and choose the parts that suit you - as opposed to the devine words of the father, then I could see how this might just be open to a bit of interpretation.
Now for the fun stuff. Examine why something like pre-marital sex might be addressed in a 2000+ year old book (as opposed to it being 'upheld' later on):
If neither he, nor she (the two who will have sex) are banging the entire town - and remain faithful to one another, you're preventing STD's from ripping through the local population like wild-fire.
There may just be some common sense based on the times in the bible - whether you subscribe to Christianity or not.....and if I was to guess, it was probably easier to say 'God says so', than it was to explain science to the masses. True, control factors into the equasion heavily, but that's after the words were written - I would say the initial intent was more about preventing some rather unsightly sores in some rather inconvenient places :yikes:
However, I'll stop there because this opens up a whole world of insights that might not be shared by everyone
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One last deep thought for those who consider the bible to be more of a hand-book than Gods actual words: If the bible is not the devine word of God, what solid proof is there that Jesus is, in fact, your savior and Gods true son? (because 'the bible tells me so' no longer cuts it.)
(Just a little light thought to ponder first thing in the morning )
If you believe Jesus died for your sins and that Gods word is law - and that the bible is God's word (albeit, filtered by the imperfections of man)......then if God's word says don't have sex until you're married, it should be a no-brainer and to say otherwise is basically picking a choosing what suits you now instead of really living based on your faith.
If, on the other hand you believe that the bible is more of a 'hand-book' to pick and choose the parts that suit you - as opposed to the devine words of the father, then I could see how this might just be open to a bit of interpretation.
Now for the fun stuff. Examine why something like pre-marital sex might be addressed in a 2000+ year old book (as opposed to it being 'upheld' later on):
If neither he, nor she (the two who will have sex) are banging the entire town - and remain faithful to one another, you're preventing STD's from ripping through the local population like wild-fire.
There may just be some common sense based on the times in the bible - whether you subscribe to Christianity or not.....and if I was to guess, it was probably easier to say 'God says so', than it was to explain science to the masses. True, control factors into the equasion heavily, but that's after the words were written - I would say the initial intent was more about preventing some rather unsightly sores in some rather inconvenient places :yikes:
However, I'll stop there because this opens up a whole world of insights that might not be shared by everyone
EDIT:
One last deep thought for those who consider the bible to be more of a hand-book than Gods actual words: If the bible is not the devine word of God, what solid proof is there that Jesus is, in fact, your savior and Gods true son? (because 'the bible tells me so' no longer cuts it.)
(Just a little light thought to ponder first thing in the morning
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Andrew. I do not believe the Bible for one second. There are parts of it I do think are a good way to live and helpful in everyday life.
I don't believe Jesus was the son of God literally, I think he was a wise profit who had a connection with God and spoke for him. We are all the children of God. When Jesus died he brought world wide centuray spanning awareness of the message, so yes, he did die for me.
Other than that, I think most of the Bible is mistranslated codswollop! But that is my opinion and I may or may not be wrong. We are all falible after all.
Everyone is saying that is says in the Bible that sex before marrige is a sin. Marrige is not that old people. How can it be a sin if marrige is a man made concept? Someone has yet to answer me that.
I don't believe Jesus was the son of God literally, I think he was a wise profit who had a connection with God and spoke for him. We are all the children of God. When Jesus died he brought world wide centuray spanning awareness of the message, so yes, he did die for me.
Other than that, I think most of the Bible is mistranslated codswollop! But that is my opinion and I may or may not be wrong. We are all falible after all.
Everyone is saying that is says in the Bible that sex before marrige is a sin. Marrige is not that old people. How can it be a sin if marrige is a man made concept? Someone has yet to answer me that.
Man...I miss all the discussions lately! Gee!
But I still want to squeeze my opinion in here. I think having sex before getting married is important. Sex is a part (however big that part may be) of married life...and some people are just not compatible on that level. I wouldn't buy a car without testdriving it...I would not have gotten married if we didn't have sex before.
There's nothing wrong with being a sexual person if you are responsible...even when you are not married.
I did not marry my husband out of insecurity. We got through a lot and I know that I will love him til the end of time. I will try and do my best to conquer every hurdle that will be thrown in our way.
No, I do not need a piece of paper. I would still be with him if he didn't want to get married. All I know is that I get happy whenever I look at my ring or wake up next to him and think about him as my husband. Everything could fall down around me...just as long as I can be with him
But I still want to squeeze my opinion in here. I think having sex before getting married is important. Sex is a part (however big that part may be) of married life...and some people are just not compatible on that level. I wouldn't buy a car without testdriving it...I would not have gotten married if we didn't have sex before.
There's nothing wrong with being a sexual person if you are responsible...even when you are not married.
I did not marry my husband out of insecurity. We got through a lot and I know that I will love him til the end of time. I will try and do my best to conquer every hurdle that will be thrown in our way.
No, I do not need a piece of paper. I would still be with him if he didn't want to get married. All I know is that I get happy whenever I look at my ring or wake up next to him and think about him as my husband. Everything could fall down around me...just as long as I can be with him
Why would it be an issue for you? Maybe this is just an oversight, but I notice you haven't referred to yourself as a christian, so why (other than your significant other) would you even worry about the biblical definition of sin? And considering he is of the same mind as you regarding pre-marital sex, why worry at all?
...'nuff said. As I mentioned before, I think there were some very practicle reasons for some of the 'sins' listed in the bible and making them 'sins' was a lot easier than trying to explain something to people who probably wouldn't get it otherwise. And if you want to touch on where I stand on religion, just follow the practicle reasoning behind all of it: A way to explain the un-explainable OR, a way to over-simplify reasons to uphold a certain behavior for the uneducated masses. Later of course, religion was a very convenient tool to keep those masses in line, but it all started out as a way to give answers where none existed (at the time).
...'nuff said. As I mentioned before, I think there were some very practicle reasons for some of the 'sins' listed in the bible and making them 'sins' was a lot easier than trying to explain something to people who probably wouldn't get it otherwise. And if you want to touch on where I stand on religion, just follow the practicle reasoning behind all of it: A way to explain the un-explainable OR, a way to over-simplify reasons to uphold a certain behavior for the uneducated masses. Later of course, religion was a very convenient tool to keep those masses in line, but it all started out as a way to give answers where none existed (at the time).
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Ashlea, I'm so glad that you are being helped by your boyfriend to find God..but I'm very worried about you. No one can come to God but through Jesus, and you say you don't believe Jesus as the son of God. That makes me very very very worried.. Finding a good church, talking to pastors, and reading your bible might help to set you on the right path. And again, Iloved "Mere Christianity." It was a great book.
No one can come to God but through Jesus, and you say you don't believe Jesus as the son of God. That makes me very very very worried.. Finding a good church, talking to pastors, and reading your bible might help to set you on the right path. And again, Iloved "Mere Christianity." It was a great book.- Joined
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Did I not say that this was my OPIONION? I said, thats what I heard, and thats what I believe. What I do with my virginity is between me and God. I was simply stating what I thought. I was not trying to push anything on her. I would like to keep myself whole for my husband on MY wedding night. Escuse me for being raised in a Christian home.
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Chloesowner, I'm not saying this to make you feel inferior or to come off as judgemental as well.
But just as saving sex for marriage is apart of Christianity, so is "loving thy neighbor". As hard as it is, even when it seems a person is being rude, it isyour job to respond in kindness. Hard.. I know.. But you can and will get better ifyou work on it. And besides, I don't feel Zoom was trying to be rude .. simply just offering a different point of view. That is all.
But just as saving sex for marriage is apart of Christianity, so is "loving thy neighbor". As hard as it is, even when it seems a person is being rude, it isyour job to respond in kindness. Hard.. I know.. But you can and will get better ifyou work on it.
And besides, I don't feel Zoom was trying to be rude .. simply just offering a different point of view. That is all. 
I too, grew up in a Christan home, which is why I never questioned that statement until I grew older and quit taking everything I heard at face value. I also believe that what I do, or do not do, is fully between myself and God for the most part, but if it does involve another person (as sex tends to do) then they will be included in any and all discussions.
Chloesowner, I applaud you for your efford to save your virginity to your future spouse. I did, too, and was very proud of it. My husband was proud of me for keeping it for him (we dated for 3 1/2 years before marrying each other!). There will be temptations, challenges, but it's totally worth it to wait.
It proves how much you really love each other.
It proves how much you really love each other.
Tessa, while I appreaciate your concern, I have done extensive research on religion. I have studied various religions. I have read the Bible cover to cover, been to church and listened to priests, rabbis and was taught under a monk for a year.
I still do believe that the Bible was written as a lose guide and also to explain things to an illiterate nation at the time. Don't worry about me because my beliefs are different to yours. I just don't happen to think the same way. There is no crime in that and therefore no punnishment.
I do not think that by me living my life as I do today I will be cast into a pit of fire and brimstone. I have a relationship with God in my own way, just becaue I do not beleive that Jesus was the literal son of God does that mean I am going to hell?
Just a question, do Jewish people go to hell? They do not believe Jesus was the son of God. If it is all one God do you really think He minds how you worship Him?
I still do believe that the Bible was written as a lose guide and also to explain things to an illiterate nation at the time. Don't worry about me because my beliefs are different to yours. I just don't happen to think the same way. There is no crime in that and therefore no punnishment.
I do not think that by me living my life as I do today I will be cast into a pit of fire and brimstone. I have a relationship with God in my own way, just becaue I do not beleive that Jesus was the literal son of God does that mean I am going to hell?
Just a question, do Jewish people go to hell? They do not believe Jesus was the son of God. If it is all one God do you really think He minds how you worship Him?