Puggle, yes, I said Puggle

[Fran27]

Times2, good breeders don't add dogs to the population of orphaned dogs. They take the dogs back if the people who bought it don't want it anymore, so that the dogs almost never end up in shelters or rescues. They do it because they love their breed, and good breeders won't have much more than 2-3 litters a year either. It's bad breeders that just breed their dogs to make money from the puppies, and don't care for health or temparement... mutts or not.

As to why it's not going to be a breed, it's easy. You can't just breed two dogs from a different breed and call that a breed. There is just no standard. Puggles will sometimes look like a pug, sometimes like a beagle, sometimes like a mix of both, basically you won't find two puggles that look alike. Could people make it a breed? Yes they could, if they really worked on it, but as the people who are breeding those designer breeds only do it for money, it's not going to happen. The only real attempt at a breed is the labradoodle in Australia, and they really don't look like the labradoodles we can find here.

 

[PFC1]

But either way, dogs, no matter who they come from (good breeders or bad) are still ending up in shelters. Right?

Again, no. See my last post. It certainly is possible that someone gets a puppie from a good breeder, and despite explicit instructions from the breeder to the contrary, they dump it at the shelter. If you were to tell the breeder about it, it would break their heart. A responsible breeder not only willingly takes back their pups for any reason, they will pretty much demand the right to get them back.

 

[times2]

No. The responsible breeders will always take back any of their puppies at anytime for any reason. They will do anything necessary to find a good home for their offspring, even if that means caring for them themselves. The irresponsible ones will just sell as much product (i.e. puppies) as they can. If there is a problem with that dog, they have washed their hands of the problem. That's how the dogs end up in the shelter.

That's nice in theory, but i'm sure the numbers of people returning there dogs to the breeder is much, much lower vs. bringing them to the shelter.

 

[Saje]

But either way, dogs, no matter who they come from (good breeders or bad) are still ending up in shelters. Right?

No because good breeders thoroughly check out the home that they will adopt the dog to, they have a contract that insists on spaying and neutering and they in the contract it says that if at any time the owner can't keep/handle the dog it is to be returned to the breeder. Good breeders breed for a purpose. They breed to better the breed and to make it stronger for what it's purpose is. Like Love4Pits and her sledding dogs. She races competetively and has dogs that can do the job. She doesn't just let any two dogs breed. It is very thought out and she has removed at least one pup from a home she adopted it to after she decided it wasn't good enough. that was in her contract.

 

[PFC1]

That's nice in theory, but i'm sure the numbers of people returning there dogs to the breeder is much, much lower vs. bringing them to the shelter.

Honestly, I don't know the stats, so you could be correct. However, the responsible breeders will do everything in their power to prevent that. You can't stop someone from being and a**h***. If an owner is going to do that, there isn't much the breeder can do. But the responsible breeders will try to screen out those people from even getting a dog from them in the first place. Again, its not about moving product for the responsible breeders, its about creating good stock.

 

[Saje]

That's nice in theory, but i'm sure the numbers of people returning there dogs to the breeder is much, much lower vs. bringing them to the shelter.

Not if you have a legal contract and are held liable!

 

[Saje]

Good breeders also stop by the homes where there puppies are. They check up on them and make sure everything is ok. They give advice. If the puppy is looking fearful or sick they investigate more.

Those are the only kind of breeders 'we' approve of. If all breeders were like that there wouldn't be any need for shelters.

 

[PFC1]

Good breeders also stop by the homes where there puppies are. They check up on them and make sure everything is ok. They give advice. If the puppy is looking fearful or sick they investigate more.

Those are the only kind of breeders 'we' approve of. If all breeders were like that there wouldn't be any need for shelters.

Well, mine didn't follow up with a home visit. But she might be forgiven as I continued to send e-mails about how he was, with pictures, etc. She probably got tired of my e-mails with pictures clogging up her in-box. But as soon as I e-mailed her about the two medical issues we had, she called us that same night, long distance on her own dime to find out the scoop.

 

[showpug]

Showpug, do you have a problem with the dog 'puggle' itself?

Don't you 'puggle' haters ever get tired of this? Face it, there will be new breeds and there is nothing your going to do about it. There here and there not going anywhere. They need and deserve a loving home as much as the next dog, whether it been around for thousands of years or not.

How many of you are writing your congressman or trying to do something about the overpopulation of dogs? Perhaps your time would be better spent trying to do something about it, instead of repeating yourselfs over and over again on a message board.

I don't have any problem with ANY dog itself. I have a problem with the people who think it's okay to exploit dogs and yes, this is exploiting dogs. Maybe you don't have a breed that you love, but I do. I work very hard at gaining all the knowledge I can about pugs because I love the breed and I want it to stay preserved and the way it is meant to be. I study the standard, I show my dogs, I have breed mentors, I attend seminars and evaluations and I travel states away to support our breed specialty every year. I make an effort to talk to the public at shows when they have questions on the breed. I really truly care about the welfare of the breed and where it ends up someday. When your average person off the street decides that it would be cute to throw their two dogs together to make a buck, it infuriates me. Oh, and reputable breeders do barely break even. When they breed a litter, it's for the sole purpose to improve upon the next generation. They go through many hardships all for the love of the breed.

When breed trends come out and puggles are created, it creates a mass population of puppies in shelters because their is no clear standard on what to expect temperment wise, size wise, coat wise etc. There is no possible way people can research what they are getting themselves into and in my opinion it's sad for the dogs...

 

[Saje]

Well, mine didn't follow up with a home visit. But she might be forgiven as I continued to send e-mails about how he was, with pictures, etc. She probably got tired of my e-mails with pictures clogging up her in-box. But as soon as I e-mailed her about the two medical issues we had, she called us that same night, long distance on her own dime to find out the scoop.

She probably didn't have any doubts. Did you give references? That might have eased her mind.

 

[Saje]

Pugs on petfinder

http://search.petfinder.com/search/...x=&location=t0a+2c0&preview=1&scope=0&x=0&y=0

Pages and pages of them.

They don't even list 'puggles.' Why? Because it's not a breed. The shelters know that.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

Is it because it is a new breed (mutt)?

Yes because they are breeding mix breeds and calling them a brand new breed. They are only doing it to make money and thats it and thats what makes it so wrong. You can go to a shelter and adopt a pug/beagle and call it a "puggle" I don't care. But I don't support the breeding and selling of them.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=5622031

 

[mojozen]

What i find interesting in all of this breed fad is that there is also no guarantee that what you are getting in a puggle is just a pug and a beagle mating. In fact you could be getting a beagle mix mated to a pug mix. There's no guarantees, and the majority of the time you are trusting a person you don't know or a store or a broker.

I mean I look at my mojo (a *supposed* pit bull - dachshund mix) and I just can tell there's more to him than that. But i don't know what. I will never know what, because I adopted him as an adult from a vet tech school that got him from a shelter. I don't know what his history was prior to the shelter and school. Does it make me love him less? Heck no! I love my dog as he is.

But if i were ever to decide to get a purebred adult (i don't like dealing with the needs of a puppy) I'd do a lot of research into who it was I was buying from. I wouldnt' just go out of a paper, or off an internet search. I'd want to see the parents, see the ribbons and trophies and know what the breeder is going to offer me. I am more than willing to jump through hoops to get the dog of my purebred dreams.

But mutts? Eh.. I go to the shelter or to a rescue for those. I don't buy from a breeder... I go where the need si greatest. I spent over a year looking for an individual dog I meshed with. I wish more people would be so ... considerate... thoughtful? smart? I don't know what the right word is... but maybe if people were to do the actual research and just plain search for the right dog for them as individuals that would also contribute to the decrease in the pet overpopulation.

Oh well... those are my pipe dreams.

 

[PFC1]

She probably didn't have any doubts. Did you give references? That might have eased her mind.

I can't recall that specifically. We talked with her by phone extensively, we drove out of state to meet with her well before the puppies were old enough to take home just to see the mother (she didn't own the male dog) and the breeder before we decided whether she was the right breeder, the mother had the right temperment, and how she kept her dogs and her pups. (In this case, inside their house.) We asked as much about her as she did about us. Of course, we own a house with a fenced in yard with a dog park 5 minutes from our house, and my wife was not working at the time. We were ideally set up to get a pup at the time. My wife had experience with our particular breed. All of which our breeder took note of. Again, I sent so many proud "look at our baby pictures" to her I am sure she was not concerned. I have to watch that because I will talk anyone's ear off about how great he is.

 

[joce]

I've seen too many puggles who want to run like a beagle but fall over because tehy can't breathe. I've honestly never met a healthy one. Sure tehy might be healthier as pups than the badly bred parents they have but it doesn't last. My frined has one who is now threeish and coming down with everything. I feel so abd for him and he realizes how he should look for another dog but all the money this one is costing he'll never be able to afford another one

They will never be a breed because they are not being bred together. It would take years of someone breeding to get it right and they are all about the money,never seen one sold on a spay neuter contract,ever. Thats pretty sad.

I have nothing against mutts,I ahve one. I just think there breeders are scum. People who pay obscene prices for one are ill informed and misled. I forgive them for that and just hope they will learn. Everyone I have met with one soon changes their mind after realizing they bought a glorafied pound dog,the kind I got for twenty dollars.

 

[LadyJinTexas]

I agree, it can't be a "new breed". If that were the case then Dixie would be a Leeler or a habrador, or maybe a blue lab.

 

[xxxpoo]

May the puggles live on.

 

[Alisha2324]

I am confused why Like labradoodles and goldendoodles can be papered but everyother mixed breed is just a mutt!!!!! A little confustion to me!

 

[Fran27]

Labradoodles and goldendoodles can't be papered. Or it's the puppy mill registry papers and it doesn't mean anything.