Puggle, yes, I said Puggle

[mojozen]

i think i will keep repeating myself. It's called trying to educate the next person. I do it online and in person... Most people like to hear what I have to say. Hey if they still want to get a mixed breed, okay, but at least they will do it with more knowledge than they had before. Generally they end up deciding that instead of supporting puppy mills, they will instead go to a shelter and adopt! Mission accomplished. Doing my little bit the best way I know how.

 

[Saje]

i think i will keep repeating myself. It's called trying to educate the next person. I do it online and in person... Most people like to hear what I have to say. Hey if they still want to get a mixed breed, okay, but at least they will do it with more knowledge than they had before. Generally they end up deciding that instead of supporting puppy mills, they will instead go to a shelter and adopt! Mission accomplished. Doing my little bit the best way I know how.

Exactly. It's like the starfish story. It makes a difference for that one dog that gets adopted.

One morning, a man was walking on the beach. In the distance, he saw a boy frantically tossing objects into the sea. As the man walked closer, he found that the boy was throwing starfish, which littered the beach as far as the eye could see. The tide had washed the starfish ashore, and now that the sun was rising in the sky, they were doomed to dry up and die.

The man asked the boy what he was doing. The boy replied that he was trying to get the creatures back into the ocean.

“But there are millions of starfish washed up on the beach,” said the man. “How can you possibly make a difference?”

Picking up a starfish and hurling it back into the cool ocean, the boy simply replied, “I made a difference to that one.”

 

[times2]

There or they're?

I don't have a congressman. Remember this IS the world-wide web.

I don't get tired of it. I love dogs too much.

Have you ever volunteered at a shelter?

You must be an english teacher.

Nope, never volunteered at a shelter. But I have rescued my share of dogs and cats in my life.

 

[times2]

i think i will keep repeating myself. It's called trying to educate the next person. I do it online and in person... Most people like to hear what I have to say. Hey if they still want to get a mixed breed, okay, but at least they will do it with more knowledge than they had before. Generally they end up deciding that instead of supporting puppy mills, they will instead go to a shelter and adopt! Mission accomplished. Doing my little bit the best way I know how.

I have nothing against educating people. But from the short time i've been on this site, and from just the hadful of threads i've read, I wouldn't call it 'educating'.

 

[Saje]

I have nothing against educating people. But from the short time i've been on this site, and from just the hadful of threads i've read, I wouldn't call it 'educating'.

You should read more then. There are plenty of open-minded people who have understood how supply and demand works and how adding mutts to the dog population makes a difference.

I'd own a puggle btw. I wouldn't call it a puggle. I'd call it a pug-mix or beagle-mix. Whichever it looked like. Nanook is a husky-gsd but I don't call her a hepherd or shusky. Although I like the sound of shusky. I just made a breed! ROFL. All dogs need to be loved once they are here. Unfortunately that just doesn't happen.

 

[times2]

I 'rescued' the dog from the petstore from the other person that was going to get it and then bring it to a shelter because they didn't like it.

I'm going to call it the 'pre-rescue'. This is even better than a 'rescue'.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

Showpug, do you have a problem with the dog 'puggle' itself?

Don't you 'puggle' haters ever get tired of this? Face it, there will be new breeds and there is nothing your going to do about it. There here and there not going anywhere. They need and deserve a loving home as much as the next dog, whether it been around for thousands of years or not.

How many of you are writing your congressman or trying to do something about the overpopulation of dogs? Perhaps your time would be better spent trying to do something about it, instead of repeating yourselfs over and over again on a message board.

If you read any posts on this thread you would see its not the "breed" that we have a problem with its the breeders.

 

[Saje]

I 'rescued' the dog from the petstore from the other person that was going to get it and then bring it to a shelter because they didn't like it.

I'm going to call it the 'pre-rescue'. This is even better than a 'rescue'.

Actually it's worse because you are giving money to a petstore and are creating a supply. That encourages them to buy more puppies from backyard breeders and the cycle continues. It's sad really. It would have been better for you to get it from the rescue after. That way you could have helped the rescue, gotten the dog and made the pet shop pay to give up the dog. Oh well, at least it has a good home now.

 

[times2]

If you read any posts on this thread you would see its not the "breed" that we have a problem with its the breeders.

Is it because it is a new breed (mutt)?

 

[Saje]

Is it because it is a new breed (mutt)?

Why don't you tell us why you think it's a breed? What are the breed standards? What should good breeders breed for?

 

[mojozen]

Buying it from the pet store is supporting the industry. I try to educate people to not buy puppies from the pet stores because inadvertantly you are supporting puppy mills. As i pointed out to the original poster you can get a "puggle" from a shelter using petfinder for $45 - $150. You might have to jump through more hoops... but you are saving a life, you are not supporting puppy mills, and you aren't being taken for a fool.

 

[times2]

Why don't you tell us why you think it's a breed? What are the breed standards? What should good breeders breed for?

Ok, it's a mutt, not a breed, but i'm sure will be soon.

Breeders breed dogs to make money, regardless of the breed. If they weren't, they wouldn't be selling them for such outrageous prices.

 

[Saje]

Ok, it's a mutt, not a breed, but i'm sure will be soon.

Breeders breed dogs to make money, regardless of the breed. If they weren't, they wouldn't be selling them for such outrageous prices.

Not true at all. Read through the breeding section. Good breeders barely break even. That's one good way you know what you are working with.

 

[times2]

Not true at all. Read through the breeding section. Good breeders barely break even. That's one good way you know what you are working with.

So they are adding to the population of orphaned dogs and 'barely breaking even'? How is that any different than someone 'making money' on breeding dogs?

Is it where the supply is being created the problem?

 

[mojozen]

Okay this gets on my nerves - pet peeve if you will.

Definitions:
"breed" - A group of organisms having common ancestors and certain distinguishable characteristics, especially a group within a species developed by artificial selection and maintained by controlled propagation.

"mutt" - A cross between different breeds, groups, or varieties, especially a mixture that is or appears to be incongruous.


A puggle is a fancy name for a mutt. Not a breed.

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[times2]

Okay this gets on my nerves - pet peeve if you will.

Definitions:
"breed" - A group of organisms having common ancestors and certain distinguishable characteristics, especially a group within a species developed by artificial selection and maintained by controlled propagation.

"mutt" - A cross between different breeds, groups, or varieties, especially a mixture that is or appears to be incongruous.


A puggle is a fancy name for a mutt. Not a breed.

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Why distinguish between 'breed' and 'mutt' at all? There all dogs.

 

[PFC1]

Ok, it's a mutt, not a breed, but i'm sure will be soon.

Breeders breed dogs to make money, regardless of the breed. If they weren't, they wouldn't be selling them for such outrageous prices.

As to the former, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. I am not automatically antagonistic to the idea of responsible breeders creating new breeds. That is how most of the various breeds came to be. However, I am not convinced that what these puggle breeders are doing is creating a new breed. They are just continually crossing beagles with pugs for the purpose of generating lots of product (in other words, puppies to sell) in the short term. They are not breeding off spring in a systematic pattern, choosing only the best gentics to go forward, to create a uniform genetic make-up. This is why most everyone on this site is so anti "designer breeds." In addition, there seems to be a good deal of fraud going on in how these pups are marketed.


As to the latter, see Saje's prior comment. The good breeders do it to advance the breed by creating good stock rather than for profit.

 

[Giny]

Ok, it's a mutt, not a breed, but i'm sure will be soon.

Wow, you sound so much like people I used to groom their "cockerpoo" 15 years ago that kept saying that they will be a breed soon. "lol"

 

[times2]

As to the former, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. I am not automatically antagonistic to the idea of responsible breeders creating new breeds. That is how most of the various breeds came to be. However, I am not convinced that what these puggle breeders are doing is creating a new breed. They are just continually crossing beagles with pugs for the purpose of generating lots of product (in other words, puppies to sell) in the short term. They are not breeding off spring in a systematic pattern, choosing only the best gentics to go forward, to create a uniform genetic make-up. This is why most everyone on this site is so anti "designer breeds." In addition, there seems to be a good deal of fraud going on in how these pups are marketed.


As to the latter, see Saje's prior comment. The good breeders do it to advance the breed by creating good stock rather than for profit.

But either way, dogs, no matter who they come from (good breeders or bad) are still ending up in shelters. Right?

 

[PFC1]

So they are adding to the population of orphaned dogs and 'barely breaking even'? How is that any different than someone 'making money' on breeding dogs?

Is it where the supply is being created the problem?

No. The responsible breeders will always take back any of their puppies at anytime for any reason. They will do anything necessary to find a good home for their offspring, even if that means caring for them themselves. The irresponsible ones will just sell as much product (i.e. puppies) as they can. If there is a problem with that dog, they have washed their hands of the problem. That's how the dogs end up in the shelter.