Myspace suicide, there's an indictment!
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Although this woman's behavior is reprihensible, vile, and bizarre, what they are charging her with is pretty, well, scary . . .for everyone.
Instead of explaining why, since I need to get to work, I'll just post a linkie:
http://volokh.com/posts/1210889188.shtml
Now, what I don't get is why they aren't trying harassment . . . and I certainly hope that the girl's family is talking to a lawyer about filing suit . . . because they have a pretty good civil case.
Instead of explaining why, since I need to get to work, I'll just post a linkie:
http://volokh.com/posts/1210889188.shtml
Now, what I don't get is why they aren't trying harassment . . . and I certainly hope that the girl's family is talking to a lawyer about filing suit . . . because they have a pretty good civil case.
Hey Lilavati...they just convicted a woman here of manslaughter whe she didn't kill anyone. All she did was cry RAPE when with her lover and her dh shot the man dead. They convicted her, because her actions led directly to the death of another person...I thought that was stretching it...but this isn't that different is it? IMO this crime is MUCH worse than the other.
BTW the dh did not get any convictions or anything...he's a free man...even tho he shot someone dead.
BTW the dh did not get any convictions or anything...he's a free man...even tho he shot someone dead.
I agree that what she did was reprehensible--but I guess I don't understand how she could be tried for murder/manslaughter. I agree with harassment--but beyond that I am not sure. I mean it was contrived--which is the sickest part--but I think it's a fine line between harassment and forcing this girl to kill herself. So if you read a bad book or something bad online and are under age and kill yourself because of it you could sue the author? I understand this was a personal attack and that is why it was harassment but beyond that?
So if a terrible parent yells "you should never have been born!" in anger at a kid--and the kid takes their life--it is the parents fault? What about real life relationships between minors--if the kids are both 15 and the male tells the female "I hate you go die" then he is responsible for her possible suicide?
So if a terrible parent yells "you should never have been born!" in anger at a kid--and the kid takes their life--it is the parents fault? What about real life relationships between minors--if the kids are both 15 and the male tells the female "I hate you go die" then he is responsible for her possible suicide?
I'm sorry... but if some guy would send my 13 year old daughter sexual messages.... !!! I'm not trying to put blame on the parents.... but I don't think you can call that close monitoring!
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/16/technology/websuicide.php?page=1
I'm not sure what to think of the indictment. I mean, I think it's good that Drew isn't getting away.... but where will it lead for the rest of us? Kinda scary.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/16/technology/websuicide.php?page=1
I'm not sure what to think of the indictment. I mean, I think it's good that Drew isn't getting away.... but where will it lead for the rest of us? Kinda scary.
No. But you do have to know, or have reason to know, that your actions might cause their death. Telling your outraged, armed husband that a particular man raped you may be pushing it, but I can see how a jury could feel that she should have known she was putting that man's life in very serious danger.
What this woman did, though disgusting, isn't quite the same. I can't honestly say that she should have known the girl might kill herself. Oh, the idea might have crossed her mind, but teenage girls are rejected every day and the vast majority of them survive the experience. What she did was very wrong, but saying she should have known the girl would kill herself only barely passes the "giggle test." Saying, however, that she intended to inflict emotional distress, and that she was harassing, even stalking this girl . . . that flies.
What this woman did, though disgusting, isn't quite the same. I can't honestly say that she should have known the girl might kill herself. Oh, the idea might have crossed her mind, but teenage girls are rejected every day and the vast majority of them survive the experience. What she did was very wrong, but saying she should have known the girl would kill herself only barely passes the "giggle test." Saying, however, that she intended to inflict emotional distress, and that she was harassing, even stalking this girl . . . that flies.
I imagine it is very hard in any case to say what or whom, is responsible for someone killing themselves. I haven't read the actual text of the messages...but if there is anything in there about "why don't you just die" or osme variant (not hard to imagine actually given the way some people talk on MySpace) I'd imagine that'd be very damning.
Have they released the message content yet? Anyone know?
If this girl had read the messages and distraught run out into traffic...and been struck by a car and died...would things be different? I mean you KNOW she was going to be upset...she wasn't going to be happy...and but for your actions...she would not have run like that...
It's interesting...and sad...IMO but for their actions this girl would be alive..and that to me, mean something should happen to the people responsible...something.
Have they released the message content yet? Anyone know?
If this girl had read the messages and distraught run out into traffic...and been struck by a car and died...would things be different? I mean you KNOW she was going to be upset...she wasn't going to be happy...and but for your actions...she would not have run like that...
It's interesting...and sad...IMO but for their actions this girl would be alive..and that to me, mean something should happen to the people responsible...something.
I think there was something said along the lines of "You shouldn't be on this earth" Or "You shouldn't exist"
I can't even imagine all the possible lawsuits and indictments if everyone who said crap like this got charged with people who committed suicide.
There oftentimes can be something that 'causes' suicide--a bad divorce, a horrible boss, a bad relationship with parents or siblings--but none of these things--even if the spouse or parent or sister or boss yelled "why do you exist!" or "go off yourself for all I care" are responsible--or are they?
I can't even imagine all the possible lawsuits and indictments if everyone who said crap like this got charged with people who committed suicide.
There oftentimes can be something that 'causes' suicide--a bad divorce, a horrible boss, a bad relationship with parents or siblings--but none of these things--even if the spouse or parent or sister or boss yelled "why do you exist!" or "go off yourself for all I care" are responsible--or are they?
My Mother always taught me to own what I say...and think before I speak.
I do know telling someone you will do something to them is an offense in the eyes of the law...I supposed that's as it should be (?)
Telling someone they should die or kill themselves...is pretty hardcore to me..."drop dead"...I've never said that as I recall. Part of that is that I am superstitous and really...what if they DID die?
Hard to say...and really..perhaps if the woman is NOT found guilty or it gets completely thrown out that's as it should be, too. I really just know that she is scum...and should pay in some fashion. I think Lilavati mentioned civil case..so perhaps losing all her money is punishment enough, who knows.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I do know telling someone you will do something to them is an offense in the eyes of the law...I supposed that's as it should be (?)
Telling someone they should die or kill themselves...is pretty hardcore to me..."drop dead"...I've never said that as I recall. Part of that is that I am superstitous and really...what if they DID die?
Hard to say...and really..perhaps if the woman is NOT found guilty or it gets completely thrown out that's as it should be, too. I really just know that she is scum...and should pay in some fashion. I think Lilavati mentioned civil case..so perhaps losing all her money is punishment enough, who knows.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.