I don't think fertility drugs should be used at all, and I think this woman is nuts and her doctors that gave her the treatments should be held accountable as well. Fertility is big money, big money and they love it cause nothing plays human emotions more than life or death and thus they'll pony up more dollars than they can hope to ever earn to get that baby or revere a loved one. I think its extortion of the worst kind.
Mother of the octuptlets !
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just wondering if it is the mindset that a woman is blah blah unless she is going forth and multiplying. I don't know how to say what i am thinking. I know a young woman that had a hard upbringing. Harder then anyone i know. SHe had her first baby at 16, her second at 17. SHe then married a very nice young man who's father was a pediatrician. SHe had 8 i believe babies, one died at birth. HEr body is from what i understand a wreck. I think that having babies somehow made her world a safe place for her. ANd i am no one to judge, her house was awesome..kid you not, and they even home schooled the youngest. She was a very capable woman. THat said, the damage to her body is horrific. I can't imagine what this woman is going to be like. OR how anyone could raise that many children at a time even with the help of relatives. ITs a bizarre situation.
Man, if I had octuplets on top of having six kids already, I'd shoot myself.
I suspect she doesn't believe in abortion (or "weeding out" the embryos that have attached to the uterus lining), which is the reason for having all eight babies. My understanding is that the put so many embryos in because usually not all of them attach, so they want good odds of at least one attaching.
I think it's a big stretch to jump from "mother of six has eight babies" to "OBVIOUSLY a poor single mother who is going to live off welfare!!" First of all, she's not single; the husband is a contract worker. The CNN story doesn't word it well, so I can see why people would think it was the grandfather in Iraq instead. But at the top of the story it says, "The father, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq, mother-in-law says." Second, if she can afford fertility treatments, that's a good indication she isn't poor. Those things cost $$$.
Personally, I think taking fertility drugs is a poor idea when you already have six children. Actually I think fertility drugs are a bad idea, period. I can't imagine the insane amount of work it will take to raise eight infants on top of six two- to seven-year olds.
I suspect she doesn't believe in abortion (or "weeding out" the embryos that have attached to the uterus lining), which is the reason for having all eight babies. My understanding is that the put so many embryos in because usually not all of them attach, so they want good odds of at least one attaching.
I think it's a big stretch to jump from "mother of six has eight babies" to "OBVIOUSLY a poor single mother who is going to live off welfare!!" First of all, she's not single; the husband is a contract worker. The CNN story doesn't word it well, so I can see why people would think it was the grandfather in Iraq instead. But at the top of the story it says, "The father, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq, mother-in-law says." Second, if she can afford fertility treatments, that's a good indication she isn't poor. Those things cost $$$.
Personally, I think taking fertility drugs is a poor idea when you already have six children. Actually I think fertility drugs are a bad idea, period. I can't imagine the insane amount of work it will take to raise eight infants on top of six two- to seven-year olds.
^^^Good post, Boemy.
To me, the main issue is still WHY. Why would a mother, who has produced 6 children naturally, be given fertility treatments? I think it's highly unlikely that her fertility suddenly took a nose-dive, especially after she was described as "relatively young." I had family members who had initial difficulty having children, and they were told by their doctor to try to conceive naturally for at least a year before fertility meds would be considered.
I think that her doctor should be investigated. I can't see how this is ethical. I was under the impression that doctors are not suppossed to prescribe medications or treatments just because the patient wants it---there has to be a need.
Any medical people on here able to clairify this?
To me, the main issue is still WHY. Why would a mother, who has produced 6 children naturally, be given fertility treatments? I think it's highly unlikely that her fertility suddenly took a nose-dive, especially after she was described as "relatively young." I had family members who had initial difficulty having children, and they were told by their doctor to try to conceive naturally for at least a year before fertility meds would be considered.
I think that her doctor should be investigated. I can't see how this is ethical. I was under the impression that doctors are not suppossed to prescribe medications or treatments just because the patient wants it---there has to be a need.
Any medical people on here able to clairify this?
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From the Yahoo article:
"Suleman said her daughter, whose marital status is unknown, had embryos implanted last year, and "they all happened to take."
""It's going to be difficult," Suleman said, adding that her daughter's father was going back to Iraq, where neighbors told the paper said he had worked as a contractor, to help support the family."
"Suleman said her daughter, whose marital status is unknown, had embryos implanted last year, and "they all happened to take."
""It's going to be difficult," Suleman said, adding that her daughter's father was going back to Iraq, where neighbors told the paper said he had worked as a contractor, to help support the family."
Wow, we're really pulling this lady apart!
What's done is done - I hope the docs LEARN from it, and in future women with 6 kids aren't priority.
But, if she wants those kids, can afford the treatment, and can afford to look after ALL of her children to a good level - who are we to say she no longer has the right to try for a baby?
I don't personally agree with it ethically, but morally it's not really our decision -she may have REALLY REALLY wanted those kids and can support 14?
Who knows the full picture. Papers print anything to sell issues - the juicier the better.
What's done is done - I hope the docs LEARN from it, and in future women with 6 kids aren't priority.
But, if she wants those kids, can afford the treatment, and can afford to look after ALL of her children to a good level - who are we to say she no longer has the right to try for a baby?
I don't personally agree with it ethically, but morally it's not really our decision -she may have REALLY REALLY wanted those kids and can support 14?
Who knows the full picture. Papers print anything to sell issues - the juicier the better.
I think the doctors should have asked her ahead of time if she would agree to abort some of the fetuses and, if not (as was the case), only implanted two. That would lessen the chances of the treatment working, but also avoid unnecessary risks to the fetuses and the mother. No one can (or should be able to) FORCE someone to get an abortion, but the doctors could have seen this coming and avoided the issue.
I just hope the press leave her alone long enough to bond with the kids normally.
Having 8 new borns is mania. Having 8 new borns and 6 other kids under 8 is INSANITY.
Add that to having your personal life run through the press, paps outside your door and undoubtedly a lot of critisism and well........
Give the woman chance to recover and look after those innocent babies!!
Having 8 new borns is mania. Having 8 new borns and 6 other kids under 8 is INSANITY.
Add that to having your personal life run through the press, paps outside your door and undoubtedly a lot of critisism and well........
Give the woman chance to recover and look after those innocent babies!!
This is what the grandmother was saying....but in the US it is considered unethical to implant that many embryos and it is extremely unclear why any had to be implanted at all. I believe we will find there is more to this story and that this procedure was either done overseas or, more likely, the woman took fertility drugs with or without medical supervision. Just guessing though.