Mother of the octuptlets !

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If we're being completely honest...I don't agree with fertility drugs at all. Personally, there are millions of kids without homes in a world with extreme population problems, so I really struggle with the idea of bringing children into this world when so many are living in terrible conditions. BUT, I know I'm the minority in that view point, and I would never tell someone who wanted biological kids they shouldn't have them--I can see wanting to see what the union of you and your spouse is like, and having someone with your characteristics.

I guess I just don't get it--and I'm honestly not trying to be hurtful here at all, so if I am tell me, and I'll stop replying. Why do people spend thousands and thousands of dollars (I read it's $10k+ per treatment, and often takes multiple treatments) to have kids number 5, 6, 7? If you want a large family, why not spend that same money and adopt a child who otherwise is going to have a crummy life in an orphanage in the ukraine or africa or indonesia or korea?

You're not being hurtful. I don't take it to that level. ;) And I don't want you to hold in your opinions/beliefs. :)

I have no issues with adoption and have always wanted to do it. My problem is the amount of money it costs to do so. My younger cousin just adopted a newborn about 8 months ago and a 5-yr-old girl just 2 months ago. Both adoptions combined set them back almost $100,000. I don't have that kind of money whatsoever. My other cousin, who adopted a baby girl from China about 5 years ago, spent over $40,000 on that adoption. Again, I don't have that kind of money and I can't just make it magically appear. That's what is keeping me from adopting in the near future.
 

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I am pretty gobsmacked at the cost of it.......................

Seriously......

No wonder there are so many kids needing homes if noone can afford to adopt them.

We have kids here who needs home and you pay something like £130.
 

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Check out this story on Yahoo: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090131/world/octuplets
This woman is clearly nuts and enjoys getting paid for having kids and doing nothing else. And she said she wanted to have 12 kids, so stories that she only wanted 1 are just fabricated. You cannot want 1 child through in vitro and then get 8 all of a sudden. It does not happen that way, so the doctor is to blame also. I guess he got his money too. :rolleyes:
 

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My second cousin tried for years and ended up going to China twice . Darling girls !
 
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I've read many stories lately about this and I don't know WHAT her doctor was thinking, implanting 8 embryos into a woman who already had six children.. who is a SINGLE MOTHER.... who has declared bankrupcty recently... I just don't get it.

Adoption is ridiculously expensive both in the USA and in Canada. I wish it wasn't - so many children would find better homes if it wasn't such a difficult and expensive thing to do.

This woman's father works in Iraq and is going back there to earn enough money to help support all these kids. She lives with her parents. Wasn't six enough?

Guess who'll probably end up paying for all those kids? Sigh... taxpayers. It's just not right. Other specialists have chimed in saying they never put in more than three because it's just not healthy for the mom OR the babies. And he put in EIGHT! Ugh.
 

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he woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Yeeeeah, that's creepy.
 

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Lordy this woman has MENTAL issues and needs some help...she obviously has an addiction to child bearing...does she even think beyond that stage?

I am...floored...her Mom sounds so very tired.

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Oh my, I feel horrible for the grandmother...and the poor kids. The more I read about this situation the sadder I become.
 

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You know, if she really, really wants to give birth repeatedly, there's good money to be made as a surrogate mother. Because it sounds like to me she wants to HAVE those kids, not take care of them.

VEry, very strange. What a mess.
 

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Because it sounds like to me she wants to HAVE those kids, not take care of them.
That's my thought.

And sadly, that describes my sis-in-law. She enjoys being pregnant and all the attention it brings. In the meantime she doesn't care for the kids she does have.
 

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Fran , I'm curious ..... did your twins count as one adoption or did you have to pay double ? You sure hit the lottery after waiting so long !
We had to pay $2000 more, that's it. Plus we're getting two tax credits instead of one, well, we would if we qualified for that much money but even in 5 years (the amount of years it can roll back), we won't use it all. Still, we're not paying taxes for 5 years :D

To reply to the other posts

- the correct term to put embryos in the uterus is 'transfer'. You don't implant them, although I think the technology is starting to be out there. Implantation is when they attach to the uterus and you get pregnant. So, usually, you transfer 2-3 embryos hoping that one will implant. Just so you know the correct terminology.

About the 'there are millions of kids needing a home', I agree with what was said on the other thread, if it's the case, why don't YOU just adopt them instead of having a biological child? And please, don't make adoption a charity case, I don't think any child wants to grow up with the thoughts that he should be grateful that he ended up in your home...

One of the reasons adoption is so expensive is that every little piece of paperwork costs a ton in this country. It costs $2000 to finalize, $2000 for the interstate paperwork to go through, another $2000 or more for an attorney to take care of the termination of parental rights etc... It just adds up. Even if you go through the state, the process is horrible. Yes, it's free, but sometimes it takes weeks just to hear back from your social worker... and the child might go back to his parents... Some people even prefer going through the private adoption route through an agency to avoid all the stupid paperwork and delays of the system. Whereas you can just get pregnant in one month and not have to worry about all that stuff...

Bottom line, unless you've been through the adoption process, you have no clue what it's like to have people go through your life and check every little thing to make sure you are suitable to be parents... So it's just too easy to say that people should adopt instead of trying fertility treatments... If we could have got pregnant just taking meds, it would have saved us $45k in the long run... And that's without mentioned the pregnancy part. I never wanted to be pregnant so it was easy for me, but why should only fertile women be allowed to experience it?

Dizzy, it's the same in France... and if you go through the state here it's the same, they match the parents do fit the kids' needs. I know in France the wait can be up to 5 years though, so it's totally unheard of to adopt. In the US one of the issues is that no matter what, a lot of judges will want the kids to be reunited with their parents, so it's hard to adopt them if you're in some specific counties. In most cases, the parents' rights are terminated, but it's not their choice. The advantage of private adoptions here is that the birthparents can really choose who their kids go to also, so you hear of a lot of open adoptions where they keep contact after the birth. And that's a GOOD thing for the birthparents. I can't imagine what it would be like if your kids ended up with people who have a way of life you don't agree with at all.

So, I see both sides of the story... I'd personal prefer a system where the state takes care of the kids when the rights are surrendered, but the birthparents still have a right to choose the adoptive parents, and it would be free to adopt for everyone... but where would the money come from? Higher taxes, no doubt... So far they make do with a tax credit ($12000 per child, that you can use for 5 years), but lots of families don't even pay that much in 5 years anyway so they don't benefit from it, so the state doesn't lose that much money out of it... In the end you're talking about the country where a doctor visit costs $200, and the process to be a resident $3000, so it's not really surprising that adoption is so expensive... but we really need to see reforms on all ends (don't get me started about adoptive parents paying birthparents expenses for months either).
 
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If we had had to adopt, I'd not have kids. We just could NOT afford it. I have no problem with fertility treatments and in vitro, etc. I DO understand how much you CRAVE having your own child.

What I do NOT condone is the physician who transferred EIGHT embryos into this woman who is a SINGLE MOTHER with SIX CHILDREN already. If she can afford this and never ever asks for money from the government, then more power to her. That's great. No more comments. Good for her.

If she has to use government money etc to help raise those kids, I think she was selfish and the physician did a very unethical thing.

By the way, the reason most people don't adopt is they cannot afford it or it takes way too long. I know for a fact it is almost impossible to adopt a white infant in Canada without a TON of money. People I know who have adopted got children from China, etc., where it costs $20,000 and more but that was much, much easier than trying to get approved here. By the time they approve you and start looking for a child, it's years and years, not months.

A friend of my mother's just adopted a little girl from China. It cost her a lot of money but she could afford it and she wanted to help a child who needed help.

Way too many children are having children these days - 12 year olds, 13 year olds, 14 year olds. Those kids are KEEPING their children, no matter what. Adoption is not encouraged whatsoever these days it seems. If only these children having children would give them up for adoption until they were ready to have children, I think everyone would be better off, especially the children.

I know of one lady who gave up a child when she was 16. She used open adoption. She knows where he is. She knows his parents. She had no contact when he was growing up but did get pictures of him every few months. When the boy was old enough to understand what adoption was and the new parents were sure she wouldn't try to get him back, they invited her to come see him. He thinks she is an aunt and she sees him and has a great relationship with him without any threat to the parents. She has had other children since then as she's much older now but open adoption was wonderful for her and the child and everyone involved. It allowed her to know where the child was, know that he was being well cared for and, eventually, she got to know him.

I wish more people would do this. I think the boy was somewhere between seven and ten when the biological mom got to see him and be a part of his life. In the meantime, she knew where he was, that he was loved, that he was well cared for, etc.

Anyway, adoption is like religion... very, very touchy subject to most people. I was very lucky. I didn't have to adopt. It took me almost two years to get pregnant but I had my own children and am very thankful for that.

I really do wish, though, that more children would give their children to needy parents who cannot conceive instead of keeping them (I'm talking about YOUNG YOUNG mothers these days). I just think it's wrong for YOUNG mothers to keep kids in this day and age. Of course, I think it's wrong they're having sex but at least they should do what is absolutely BEST for the child. That, again, is debatable but being 14 years old with an infant cannot be the absolute BEST life for that child and they can obviously have kids, so why not have one later when they're an adult at least?

Anyway.. I won't say more... don't want to start any fights.

I think this woman shouldn't have had so many unless she could EASILY afford to raise them. I think the doctor was wrong. He also risked her and the children's lives a LOT to transfer EIGHT into her.
 

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