ISO: Long hair male Shep for whoopee in North Carolina

[DigitalDuck]

Hey all ...
Hope this title got some attention! :yikes:

I have a 2 1/2 year old long hair Shepard (not registered) that needs a husband.

We want to breed her once (then she gets fixed) so we can have another one hopefully like her.

Typically; breeding is not something we would consider ...

However; this dog has proven herself to be a rare personality that we hope to capture in another puppy

This dog :

(when she was 12 weeks old) laid down so a little toddler could pet her
Has never tried to get on furniture.
was REAL easy to house break.
She taps the door knob with her nose when she wants to go out
Rarely barks unless there is a stranger in the house or she wants to talk to the neighbors dog.
She stays in the front yard - she doesn't wander off
doesn't dig around the fence in the back yard.

Would like a dog that is similar in look (does not need to be pure breed)
to one of 2 types of shepherds:

1) Groenendael PICTURE LINK (a sharp looking long haired Shepard) - most preferred!
2) Tervueren PICTURE LINK (its a long haired Belgium Shepard) very acceptable!

Also open to other possibilities and/or suggestions other than tresspassing on a breeders property (can't afford a lawyer )

 

[dakota41394]

I raised shepherds for 20 years and have a lot of connections with breeders. I would only suggest a shepherd out of german lines (they tend to have better hips and better temperament). I have looked at a few websites this am for you ( in N. carolina, and e-mailed a few that I know personally. Most however, will only breed to a female with papers! You said she is not registered, but does she has pedigree papers?

 

[DigitalDuck]

NO PAPER'S of any sort that I know of ...
She was a puppy that was about to end up at the SPCA (a run away who refused to stay home)

AS I WAS TOLD BY THE CUSTOMER WHO GAVE HER TO ME:

She kept running away and went to this customers house.
She did this 3 times in one day.

The people who had her also had the mother, father, and siblings. They didn't care that this one puppy was running away.

It would take a crane to get her to leave now.

Anyway; what really sold me on her to begin with was that the customer had about a 3 year old daughter who went up to this 12 week old puppy and the puppy laid down for the baby ... that is a rare response by a puppy which made me really notice her.

I wish I had a photo of her back then - she had a massive looking fuzz ball head that did a great job of hiding a little head.
She looked like a little bear.

I was raised around German Shepherds from the Rin Tin Tin line - we had one that was 5 generations from Rin Tin Tin ...

It's just that this dog is long haired and I want to try to maintain the genetic integrity of this dog.

She has been the most amazing dog I have ever had and I am 49 years old and no stranger to dogs!

AS FOR one of German (European) lines - I agree - a lot less chance of hip dysplasia

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

:yikes: Not a good place to look for a mate opcorn: BEWARE of being flamed for your decision opcorn: Has your bitch proven herself? Has she had her hips, elbows, eyes tested. Has she been shown in conformation? Back yard breeding is not acceptable on this forum ***WARNING***

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

NO PAPER'S of any sort that I know of ...
She was a puppy that was about to end up at the SPCA (a run away who refused to stay home)

AS I WAS TOLD BY THE CUSTOMER WHO GAVE HER TO ME:

She kept running away and went to this customers house.
She did this 3 times in one day.

The people who had her also had the mother, father, and siblings. They didn't care that this one puppy was running away.

It would take a crane to get her to leave now.

Anyway; what really sold me on her to begin with was that the customer had about a 3 year old daughter who went up to this 12 week old puppy and the puppy laid down for the baby ... that is a rare response by a puppy which made me really notice her.

I wish I had a photo of her back then - she had a massive looking fuzz ball head that did a great job of hiding a little head.
She looked like a little bear.

I was raised around German Shepherds from the Rin Tin Tin line - we had one that was 5 generations from Rin Tin Tin ...

It's just that this dog is long haired and I want to try to maintain the genetic integrity of this dog.

She has been the most amazing dog I have ever had and I am 49 years old and no stranger to dogs!

AS FOR one of German (European) lines - I agree - a lot less chance of hip dysplasia

Forget it you answered my question..........:spam: :spam: :spam:

 

[Maxy24]

Plenty of dogs have great personalities. There is no reason why they need to be bred. To start with chances are there will not be a puppy with her exact personality, secondly you could loose your wonderful pet by making her give birth, that would be a horrible loss for you I'm sure. A dog breed like yours can easily give birth to nine pups I'd expect. Can you find homes for all nine or more and also be able to take each one back ten years later if the owner does not want them anymore, to keep them from ending up dead in a shelter? Can you afford a C-section? Can you hand raise all nine pups if the mom rejects them?
I need a breeder to have her dog health screened for genetic defects so I know she is not passing on horrible diseases like hip dysplasia onto the pups, good breeders care about the lives of their puppies and make sure they will not breed a dog carrying such diseases.

(when she was 12 weeks old) laid down so a little toddler could pet her
Has never tried to get on furniture.
was REAL easy to house break.
She taps the door knob with her nose when she wants to go out
Rarely barks unless there is a stranger in the house or she wants to talk to the neighbors dog.
She stays in the front yard - she doesn't wander off
doesn't dig around the fence in the back yard.

This is a wonderful personality but it's not as rare as you think.
My dog and most dogs that live with small children will lay down so a child could pet them. I was 4 when we got Max and he loved attention, I gave it a lot so he would lay down by me to get it.

Max went on the furniture because we wanted him on the furniture. When we got new furniture we trained him "off" and in a matter of days he never tried going up again.

Most dogs tell people when they have to go out, some even ring bells.

My dog never barked unless someone he did not know was wandering in our yard.

My neighbor's German Shepherd spends most of her day outside off leash with her owner (as she gardens or sits out there) and has never run off even when other dogs, cats and people walked by.

Max never dug.


I would never have bred Max. I would have had to get his hips, eyes and elbows screened. Had him temperament tested. Then I would have needed to do some kind of work with him to prove he was better than all the other dogs with great temperaments. Because if we all bred dogs with great temperaments the world would be FAR more over populated than it is now and FAR more dogs and cats than the current 4 million would be put to sleep in shelters each year.


Why don't you just enjoy your dog? Making her have puppies is not going to give you a clone. She is special to you and you to her, maybe get involved in something with her so you can enjoy each other even more, a sport or something. What is she good at? Maybe she can become a therapy pet for elderly people, children or people in hospitals. Please don't breed, even once. If you want a new puppy go to shelters and rescues and meet the dogs, I promise some will have great personalities, they will not be your dog, but neither would her puppies, but he will be your wonderful pet, just like the dog you have now. And you will be helping with animals overpopulation not adding to it.

 

[DigitalDuck]

WTF ... Is this a puppy mill support group?

Let me tell you about the LAST pedigree I had ($1,000.00 retard)

I gave the darn thing way ....

My dog (I would bet) is probably better manored that most ANY papered dog!

 

[DigitalDuck]

SORRY ... did NOT know this is one ofg those spaz clicks here ...

I will NO LONGER waist my time with you and yours -- May you enjoy the hate you breed!

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

WTF ... Is this a puppy mill support group?

Let me tell you about the LAST pedigree I had ($1,000.00 retard)

I gave the darn thing way ....

My dog (I would bet) is probably better manored that most ANY papered dog!

NOW, NOW! With an attitude like that you will really get yourself in trouble here. You should come on a "dog forum" to learn and not to look for a mate for your dog who has no papers and has not been health tested or shown in any conformation. Don't you care about all the UN-WANTED dogs in shelters who are no better than yours looking for homes and being put to sleep when there time is up? Don't you care that your dog could have bad hips and shouldn't be bred only to have her puppies have bad hips or other health issues?

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

SORRY ... did NOT know this is one ofg those spaz clicks here ...

I will NO LONGER waist my time with you and yours -- May you enjoy the hate you breed!

Another person with an Un-opened mind................It's to bad you don't want to be EDUCATED!

 

[DigitalDuck]

Educated?? I am NOT a puppy mill selling paper!

I am not a paper freak - I actually LOVE my dog ....

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

Educated?? I am NOT a puppy mill selling paper!

I am not a paper freak - I actually LOVE my dog ....

If you loved your dog would have her spayed and be a nice pet that you can enjoy. Not add to the already over-population of animals. We all love our dogs but that doesn't justify breeding them.

 

[milos_mommy]

can someone ban this person before i hunt them down and smack them?!?

 

[Maxy24]

these is probably no use but here are the stickies:
http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27051

http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8047

http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787

http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8916

 

[Maxy24]

can someone ban this person before i hunt them down and smack them?!?

Actually is would be quite satisfying if you would hunt them down and smack them for me

 

[shadowfacedanes]

I wasn't aware that having a dog with good manners made them breeding quality. Well by golly, line up the studs - Hannah needs a man.

To the OP, you have a companion animal that has no proof of being a purebred, no traceable heritage therefore NO way to research her genetics to find out what health problems lurk in her lines.

People like you, who may very well have good intentions, often produce dogs with health problems. And I won't be the only one to say it: Good intentions don't mean SQUAT to the owner of a puppy from your bitch when the puppy develops health problems and lives a life of pain and sickness.

I'm going nice on you, because I hope it will open your eyes. Hannah's breeder had "good intentions" but you know what that got me? A two year old dog who can't walk some days, who has already bloated and torsioned, has had chronic gastrointestinal problems (You haven't seen nothing until your dog bleeds from her guts!), and addison's disease. She's almost died twice now. Sounds like fun doesn't it? THis dog is my heart and all she was to the person who bred her was money in the pocket and something she thought would be fun to do.

Open your eyes to all of the bad things that can happen. Don't be the source of someone else's heartache just because you think it'd be fun to have puppies.

 

[Fran27]

Unbelievable. You want a puppy just like her? Not going to happen. Are you exactly like your parents???

That, and for all you don't know, she might have genetic issues that will just pass on to the puppies, especially as you're willing to take any stud. I don't think you want puppies that will need surgery at 5 do you?

Then, don't breed.

 

[Lilavati]

Duck: I understand why you want to breed your dog. When you have a wonderful animal, the appeal of trying for another like her can be very strong. So, you're not deserving of being flamed. Your motive is not money, or wanting to teach your children the miracle of birth, or any of the other truly inane reasons why people chose to bring more puppies into the world. Your heart is in the right place.

That said: The people on these boards also have their hearts in the right place. There are far, far too many dogs in this country who need homes. Every puppy born, even to a good home, is another needy dog that will not find a home. And unfortunately, careless breeding is one of the reasons that many dogs end up in shelters or in rescue.

Pedigreed dogs have a place in the world. They are a piece of history. They are well suited to particular purposes, and have (mostly) predictable traits. There are dog sports in which only pedigreed animals can participate. Further, there are many people who want ONLY a pedigreed dog. Those of us with 'All-American' pets may disagree, but we will not change these people's minds. They want the predictablity and the status that come with a purebred dog.

That said, the obcession with registered animals has created a crisis of puppy mills and backyard breeders. No one here will deny that, or defend it. If dogs are to be bred, they should be part of a defined breeding project: they should not only be purebred, but they should be tested for health, their complete genetic history should be known, they AND their close relatives should be free of behaviorial problems. To do otherwise is to risk bringing a physically and mentally ill animal into the world, not to mention one that no one wants.

Also, pedigreed dogs have an easier time finding homes. Large breeds, like shepherds, produce many puppies per litter. You will have to find good and loving homes for them. Because shady people (dog fighters, brokers who sell to research labs) browse the classifieds for 'free to good home' ads, that means you will have to charge at least something for your puppies. Not much, because people won't pay much for a non-papered dog. And, bluntly, those of us who don't care aren't looking at the classifieds, we're scoping out the rescues and the shelters, hoping to save a wonderful animal from death. Its likely that any one who offers to take in your pups, of which there may be as many as 12-16, either has dangerous motives, or is looking for a good deal . . . and people who bargain hunt in their quest for a dog are often the same ones who have no idea how to care for one.

Also, there's no assurance that breeding her will produce a puppy like her. Even identical twins and clones are different from their genetic doubles.

Your best choice, for yourself, for her, and for any hypothetical puppies, is to have her fixed, then scour the rescues and shelters for a dog of a similar character (they exist, we promise). Save a life, and don't add to the very problems you deplore.

 

[CelticxConnections]

With out going psycho:

Coat
The ideal dog has a double coat of medium length. The outer coat should be as dense as possible, hair straight, harsh and lying close to the body. A slightly wavy outer coat, often of wiry texture, is permissible. The head, including the inner ear and foreface, and the legs and paws are covered with short hair, and the neck with longer and thicker hair. The rear of the forelegs and hind legs has somewhat longer hair extending to the pastern and hock, respectively. Faults in coat include soft, silky, too long outer coat, woolly, curly, and open coat.

Your dog would be a fault in the show ring. Sorry but the world does not need more GSDs, there are plenty with good temperments.

I would never breed my dogs, they have not proven themselves. Sure they are GREAT dogs but so are a billion other dogs. Even if Baron was not altered I would not breed him, he has not been screened for hips and the like, nor has Duke.

Papers do mean something, it means you can trace parents and thats about it. My papered doxie is not loved more than my 2 non-papered GSDs.

Clearly based on your responce here you do NOT need to breed your dog. There are more than enough well mannered GSDs in the world.

 

[RedHotDobe]

You want to breed her, because as a puppy she let a child pet her..?

I think I need Rumor's uterus back. By these standards she's above and beyond breeding quality.

I love my dog, and for that reason, I had her spayed. She has a great temperament and wonderful manners. So do thousands of other dogs sitting in rescue and shelters. There's no reason to breed a dog of known or unknown lineage, simply because it stays in the yard and lets children pet it. Papers or not, your dog still should not be bred.