I'm VERY excited!!!

[Muttkip]

Plus I love that beagle and I know you do as well, he deserves the best. So does derpy, Backup would like to advocate for her.

Hahaha!!!! I'd love to see Cur-Derp's potential tapped into!!

She is an awesome dog with great energy, she just has no drive that I can find other then food. She loves stuffies, but won't tug or play. Well she TRIES to play but doesn't seem to know how to. She'll chase a ball or stick but won't pick it up or anything after she chases it.

And she has I'm guessing good protective instincts as well.

She could be a great dog if I could find a way to tap into her pea brain!

 

[Muttkip]

I can also say this is the first time I've been drug through the ringer online :rofl1:

Not wanting to do it again.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

If you're interested I really suggest becoming acquainted with clicker work. Use that food as a tool and click her into fetch & tug. SaraB would be a great resource, she clicker trained Zuma into tugging, I think. I clicker trained Arnold into fetch and built a tug with prey drive but it is short lived and takes a lot of build up for any tugging, the trust/motivation/energy isn't there for a lot of action. We were just playing with this this morning for the hell of it actually.

Further, food is the bet motivator for training any obedience, IMO. You can reward 100 times, quickly, effectively, reward placement is so much more easily controlled, you don't battle secondary issues such as an out.

Don't discredit her yet. Check out some of the trick of the week stuff on here and start asking questions, give it a shot and ask more, it's a very supportive and collectively experienced group.

Seriously, if you start now your CC or ABD or whatever you choose will be that much less confusing when you get it.

 

[CharlieDog]

Chaz = "No line we're not willing to cross to say it's looking out for the dogs!"

Just remember that when you post anything and you'll be fine.

 

[Dizzy]

Remind me to never, ever post any links to clubs, places or people or anything remotely about dogs or things I do because god forbid someone want to step into my PERSONAL life and send emails off to people.

There are things I post in vents that do not translate to reality. That doesn't mean it's not a real vent, but that does mean not everything written should be taken literally and out of context and used against someone.

Totally our of order.

The PROFESSIONAL thing to do would have been to forward the email to muttkip first or talk to her first. It's not being up front or saying it to someone's face emailing people in their PERSONAL life in secret then telling them.

How low does it get.

 

[Laurelin]

I agree with CharlieDog and Dizzy. I think that was out of line.

Really, if the breeder is worth their salt, they won't be handing a dog like a Corso over to anyone that walks in the doors. I don't see why we need to screen for the breeder.

I think it's great you found a club in the sport you are interested in. We love our agility club here, it's been phenomenal. I am not sure about IPO but you can do a lot of other sports stuff with just food drive. Summer has no toy drive at all (she did as a puppy but by the time I got her at 4 it was gone). We've been building toy drive with her. She's still not a tugger yet but with some minor work, she's playing! Clean Run has some great food stuffable toys. We really like the Rip n Tug. But I don't see why you couldn't at least get some work with the tracking and obedience with just food drive.

 

[FG167]

If you're interested I really suggest becoming acquainted with clicker work. Use that food as a tool and click her into fetch & tug. SaraB would be a great resource, she clicker trained Zuma into tugging, I think. I clicker trained Arnold into fetch and built a tug with prey drive but it is short lived and takes a lot of build up for any tugging, the trust/motivation/energy isn't there for a lot of action. We were just playing with this this morning for the hell of it actually.

Further, food is the bet motivator for training any obedience, IMO. You can reward 100 times, quickly, effectively, reward placement is so much more easily controlled, you don't battle secondary issues such as an out.

Don't discredit her yet. Check out some of the trick of the week stuff on here and start asking questions, give it a shot and ask more, it's a very supportive and collectively experienced group.

Seriously, if you start now your CC or ABD or whatever you choose will be that much less confusing when you get it.

This is a FANTASTIC post. Starting out, food drive is SO much easier to learn how to train a dog than toy drive. I have an EXTREMELY Hugh drive dog for toys and I use food to teach him. I have successfully clicker trained my corgi to tug, retrieve, and kill her toys....clickers are marvelous things! Good luck to you.

 

[frostfell]

I agree with CharlieDog and Dizzy. I think that was out of line.

Really, if the breeder is worth their salt, they won't be handing a dog like a Corso over to anyone that walks in the doors. I don't see why we need to screen for the breeder.

I think it's great you found a club in the sport you are interested in. We love our agility club here, it's been phenomenal. I am not sure about IPO but you can do a lot of other sports stuff with just food drive. Summer has no toy drive at all (she did as a puppy but by the time I got her at 4 it was gone). We've been building toy drive with her. She's still not a tugger yet but with some minor work, she's playing! Clean Run has some great food stuffable toys. We really like the Rip n Tug. But I don't see why you couldn't at least get some work with the tracking and obedience with just food drive.

a notsogood corso breeder can still give a dog to a kid who has no clue how to handle a beagle much less a working mastiff, and the damage is jst as great from the sound of it, SOMEBODY was already making noises of "iv got a puppy with your name on it"

 

[sillysally]

Remind me to never, ever post any links to clubs, places or people or anything remotely about dogs or things I do because god forbid someone want to step into my PERSONAL life and send emails off to people.

There are things I post in vents that do not translate to reality. That doesn't mean it's not a real vent, but that does mean not everything written should be taken literally and out of context and used against someone.

Totally our of order.

The PROFESSIONAL thing to do would have been to forward the email to muttkip first or talk to her first. It's not being up front or saying it to someone's face emailing people in their PERSONAL life in secret then telling them.

How low does it get.

This. Yikes....

 

[stardogs]

Remind me to never, ever post any links to clubs, places or people or anything remotely about dogs or things I do because god forbid someone want to step into my PERSONAL life and send emails off to people.

Yep. Happened to me here a few months back - I'm now MUCH more careful about what stuff I link to here. I really don't see why so many people skip the step of talking to the person involved BEFORE involving others, but it happens.

 

[Taqroy]

Remind me to never, ever post any links to clubs, places or people or anything remotely about dogs or things I do because god forbid someone want to step into my PERSONAL life and send emails off to people.

This. I'm boggled and seriously wondering why people think this is okay.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Just as a heads up to those confused, not saying any of this was right to be made public on Chaz, but those involved have had a very long history beyond Chaz, on other forums. The good, bad, and ugly, have a way of building. I wouldn't always take it at face value of someone responding to a single post.

 

[~Jessie~]

Just because my dog doesn't eat top of the line kibble doesn't make me a bad dog owner.
Just because my dog lives outside doesn't make me a bad dog owner.
Just because I can't walk or play with him everyday doesn't make me a bad dog owner.
Just because he's not a trained dog doesn't make me a bad dog owner.
Just because I use lost cost clinics and free rabies clinics doesn't make me a bad dog owner.

He's MY dog, he's MY best friend, he's MY furry son. I may not have a lot of money or spend as much time with him as I would like to due to my screwy work schedule, does not mean I don't love my dog. I do what can for him and try to do right by him. Sure he's eating a dog food that costs 18.99 for a 40lb of food right, it's all I can afford. Sure he doesn't get his shots on time and he goes a bit in between baths. But he is the **** dog EVER. And he has been my best friend for almost 11 years now and though he may deserve better then me, but me and that dog have been through hell and back twice and we've always had each other's backs. I love my dog

I may not be the best dog owner out there, but I love my dog I'll kill for him, but I AM NOT BY NO MEANS A BAD DOG OWNER!

I should figured I get crapped on for that post. I was venting and have admitted to my mistakes.

I have gotten better after spending time with my dogs and I'm trying my best to get them out of their pens, and walking them. But kinda hard to do with the weather recently either. My yard is a mud pit and it hasn't stopped raining for like 2 weeks now. But I do make it a point to walk them.

And I think you guys misunderstood the training part with them. Beau is TRAINED to be basic tricks and obedience but he's NOT a performance or sport dog. He used to be a hunting dog but retired at the age of 5 due to a move.

They live outside for a reason and cannot be in the house. Trust me if I had it my way, they would be in the house. That's something I've gone over and over again.

Takoda has some basic training but not much as Beau has into him.

Their basic needs are met. And I'm not adding a new dog anytime soon, this is a year or two in the making and I'm wanting to start it off right.

No, just because your dogs live outside doesn't make you a bad owner. I disagree with having dogs living outside, but you can make it work if necessary.

It's all about HOW you spend time with them.

If you want your dogs to live outside, you need to compensate for the time they can't spend inside. Even if I'm sitting on the couch watching TV, my dogs are still around me. They crave this attention, and it's time being spent with them. Dogs NEED human interaction and stimulation.

Outside dogs can't get this attention constantly, so they NEED to be taken off their chains/kennels for human interaction. It doesn't matter if it's raining, snowing, you've had a long day at work, you'd rather sit inside and chat online, etc, etc. Your dogs NEED interaction.

Your yard is muddy? So what! Strap on your big girl boots, wear pants you don't mind getting dirty, and take the dogs OUTSIDE of the muddy yard. You think YOU don't like crossing through the mud for the dogs? Imagine how THEY feel spending 24 hours without human interaction. If you truly ARE trying "your best" to get them out of their pens, then they'd be OUT OF THEIR PENS. Obviously you're not trying your best if you can't even PLAY with them daily, let alone take them on walks.

If you can't get them their shots on time, bathe them, or feed them a decent food, I'd strongly URGE you not to add another dog. A CC stuck in a pen with no interaction isn't going to be a welcoming sight.

 

[Locke]

Remind me to never, ever post any links to clubs, places or people or anything remotely about dogs or things I do because god forbid someone want to step into my PERSONAL life and send emails off to people.

This. I'm boggled and seriously wondering why people think this is okay.

Seriously. Holy crap.

 

[Beanie]

Really, if the breeder is worth their salt, they won't be handing a dog like a Corso over to anyone that walks in the doors. I don't see why we need to screen for the breeder.

This is true, but there's no way to know if this breeder is worth their salt. This is what Muttkip said:

All because I know the breeder and she's in the club as well and she's also a regular customer of mine at my work!

I was offered a GSD puppy last year, just because I knew the breeder (she was a co-worker of mine) and she knew I liked dogs. (Also, because she heard I was thinking of showing Payton, and so I could "show it and then make money breeding it.")

If I came in here and told you guys I was super excited because my co-worker is GIVING me a GSD puppy all because I work with her and she knows I like dogs, I would HOPE people would chime in to make sure a GSD is the right breed for me and I'm not about to do something totally stupid. If this thread were in Dog Breeds instead I don't think people would take issue with members going "Hold up - a CC is probably NOT the right dog for your situation." I don't find vetting a member's situation and how they are with their existing dogs against how they would work with another breed particularly unusual or over the top for the board.

People on this board have talked about possibilities for the future before, but it's usually with a clear distinction of "after I get a better job, after I have my own place so I can bring my dogs inside like I want, after this, after that;" that didn't happen here. The most that was said was "this is a few years out." Lots can happen in a few years or absolutely NOTHING can happen in a few years. A CC is not a dog to be left outside in a pen/on a chain... it's just a bad idea. If it's harsh of me to say "you shouldn't be planning on adding a CC when you can't even bring your existing dogs inside and said for the foreseeable future you don't see that changing," then slap a big fat HARSH sticker on my face and I'll do a dance with it on.

 

[~Jessie~]

This is true, but there's no way to know if this breeder is worth their salt. This is what Muttkip said:


I was offered a GSD puppy last year, just because I knew the breeder (she was a co-worker of mine) and she knew I liked dogs. (Also, because she heard I was thinking of showing Payton, and so I could "show it and then make money breeding it.")

If I came in here and told you guys I was super excited because my co-worker is GIVING me a GSD puppy all because I work with her and she knows I like dogs, I would HOPE people would chime in to make sure a GSD is the right breed for me and I'm not about to do something totally stupid. If this thread were in Dog Breeds instead I don't think people would take issue with members going "Hold up - a CC is probably NOT the right dog for your situation." I don't find vetting a member's situation and how they are with their existing dogs against how they would work with another breed particularly unusual or over the top for the board.

People on this board have talked about possibilities for the future before, but it's usually with a clear distinction of "after I get a better job, after I have my own place so I can bring my dogs inside like I want, after this, after that;" that didn't happen here. The most that was said was "this is a few years out." Lots can happen in a few years or absolutely NOTHING can happen in a few years. A CC is not a dog to be left outside in a pen/on a chain... it's just a bad idea. If it's harsh of me to say "you shouldn't be planning on adding a CC when you can't even bring your existing dogs inside and said for the foreseeable future you don't see that changing," then slap a big fat HARSH sticker on my face and I'll do a dance with it on.

I agree with this entire post, but especially with the last sentence I bolded.

If you can't provide anything more than basic care to your current animals (dogs living outside who get hardly anything more than super low quality food and an occasional walk/play session), then you shouldn't add another dog. It's harsh, but it's the truth. I feel VERY sorry for your dogs in their current state- their lives sound absolutely miserable.

 

[release the hounds]

add me to the list of those that think people have overstepped their bounds. I don't care much about the past history, if there is real, in person history, then take care of your issues in real life and in person. If your issues have been based on internet chat rooms, then keep your communication to internet chat rooms because that's all you really know about that person. The internet persona.

If the breeder does their work, their going to make a decision they're comfortable with, if they don't care, they aren't going to care what someone says on the internet either.

 

[OwnedByBCs]

No, just because your dogs live outside doesn't make you a bad owner.

It's all about HOW you spend time with them.

If you want your dogs to live outside, you need to compensate for the time they can't spend inside. Even if I'm sitting on the couch watching TV, my dogs are still around me. They crave this attention, and it's time being spent with them. Dogs NEED human interaction and stimulation.

Outside dogs can't get this attention constantly, so they NEED to be taken off their chains/kennels for human interaction. It doesn't matter if it's raining, snowing, you've had a long day at work, you'd rather sit inside and chat online, etc, etc. Your dogs NEED interaction.

Your yard is muddy? So what! Strap on your big girl boots, wear pants you don't mind getting dirty, and take the dogs OUTSIDE of the muddy yard. You think YOU don't like crossing through the mud for the dogs? Imagine how THEY feel spending 24 hours without human interaction. If you truly ARE trying "your best" to get them out of their pens, then they'd be OUT OF THEIR PENS. Obviously you're not trying your best if you can't even PLAY with them daily, let alone take them on walks.

If you can't get them their shots on time, bathe them, or feed them a decent food, I'd strongly URGE you not to add another dog. A CC stuck in a pen with no interaction isn't going to be a welcoming sight.

Seriously. I mean, I do try not to judge when people treat their dogs differently than I do, but honestly this sounds like a selfish person who doesn't have their dogs' basic needs as a priority. Dogs are incredibly social animals and not allowing them to have daily human interaction and exercise is neglectful. If you don't have time for them, don't have money to feed them a better quality food, why in the world are you considering getting another dog? I mean, I get that you said it would be in a year or two, but is that enough time for you to change things around? Better quality food, regular vet care, mental and physical stimulation are all things that you owe your dogs. They deserve that, don't you think? I think it's great that you love your dogs, and I'm sure they love you back, but it doesn't take a lot to get a dog's love. It is up to us to *deserve* their adoration, even though they give it pretty willingly.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I am just coming onto this thread, I haven't read the previous one and I don't care to as I don't post often and don't want in on what did or didn't happen previously as everyone has a different measuring stick for what is right or wrong for animals. I am a breeder and I get called a killer quite often because I chose to breed my dogs and not rescue.

I am replying on this thread because I own Cane Corsi and think you need to learn a few hard things now. This breed is no where near what any of your dogs are like now, and a working one will be at least 10 time worse than a laid back one as far as confident, drive that can be challenging. Cane Corsi are not made to be kept outside, they need to be with their people and attempting this will cause not just a problem for you with a nervous, potentially dangerous dog but also to the public and our breed. They require early and EXTENSIVE socializing to be good members of the canine community and there is no such thing as not having enough time to do training with this breed. I get numerous calls all the time from people that "think" they want a corso until they get a reality check on what it takes to really own one. Like with any of these power breeds they are a lifetime commitment of training and responsibility and there is never a day you can say... I just don't feel like being the leader today.

That being said if the breeder is a good one then there will be a contract that says the dog can not be tied out or left outside, they have to have quality and adequate vet care, a quality food as well as extensive training. If they don't have that then I would wonder about the breeder themselves.

If you are committed to learning then join some of the FB pages that are dedicated to the breed, as well as some Cane Corso forums, or mastiff forums to give you a better idea of what you are going to be dealing with.

Us corso people don't take kindly to someone ruining our breed, even if they think they have the best of intentions.

 

[sillysally]

This is true, but there's no way to know if this breeder is worth their salt. This is what Muttkip said:


I was offered a GSD puppy last year, just because I knew the breeder (she was a co-worker of mine) and she knew I liked dogs. (Also, because she heard I was thinking of showing Payton, and so I could "show it and then make money breeding it.")

If I came in here and told you guys I was super excited because my co-worker is GIVING me a GSD puppy all because I work with her and she knows I like dogs, I would HOPE people would chime in to make sure a GSD is the right breed for me and I'm not about to do something totally stupid. If this thread were in Dog Breeds instead I don't think people would take issue with members going "Hold up - a CC is probably NOT the right dog for your situation." I don't find vetting a member's situation and how they are with their existing dogs against how they would work with another breed particularly unusual or over the top for the board.

People on this board have talked about possibilities for the future before, but it's usually with a clear distinction of "after I get a better job, after I have my own place so I can bring my dogs inside like I want, after this, after that;" that didn't happen here. The most that was said was "this is a few years out." Lots can happen in a few years or absolutely NOTHING can happen in a few years. A CC is not a dog to be left outside in a pen/on a chain... it's just a bad idea. If it's harsh of me to say "you shouldn't be planning on adding a CC when you can't even bring your existing dogs inside and said for the foreseeable future you don't see that changing," then slap a big fat HARSH sticker on my face and I'll do a dance with it on.

I think what most people are put off by the fact that a poster took it upon herself to email things posted on here to the club in question. Both over the line and a bit creepy, IMHO.