I guess what I am saying is that yes people should be given chances to show that they have learned from their mistakes, but how many chances should they be given? At what point can you point to someone and say 'you are acting like a twit and we don't like what you are doing'?
Or do you want this to be one of those forums where its ok to byb and train with staves or kohler (the hanging parts) and you can't ever say you disagree?
General "you":
And to further draw upon that.. what if your friend is being a twit? Is that okay? Or would you stand up and say something to them? What if one of your friends went above and beyond what is appropriate behavior? Is it okay because you know them? And you think they are fighting the greater good?
And so what if we do get a BYB and they realize their mistakes, are they never to be trusted again? Are we to be so quick to judge that we say you f-ed up so every time you log in and where ever you go the lynch mob is going to be right there with you to re-hash your history and your every mistake? And what if someone (we have a member now, if I recall correctly) that believes in anything BUT positive reinforcement and you try to tell them over and over and over again but they just don't seem to get it but then they eventually do in their own time (we're talking at least a year or so). Do they get pushed out because they don't believe in
your ways? Or do we give people an opportunity to grow without self-righteous "my way or the highway" people harping on their every single move?
How can anyone feel that this is a good place that educates and loves animals when we can't practice what we preach? I sure believe in positive reinforcement for dogs, I think a great number of us do as well... but we sure don't show that patience and love and respect to our own kind and those that do are few and far between. We should educate instead of tar and feather and throwing rocks because as the OP said... there is not one person here who has not made a mistake.. what if that new person who made a series of mistakes was you and you were treated the way that you treat others... would it be okay then too?
No one is saying you can't disagree. That would suck all of the fun out of a forum as debates would stop and we could no longer share anything because we all certainly don't agree on all topics. BUT what is being said is that sometimes enough is enough.