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OUCH! You are not supposed to prop it on your shoulder like that are you? 
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GO: You're right on the difference between a clip and a magazine. The M1 Grand used a magazine. Pretty much anything in use today has a clip (To the best of my knowledge, which admittedly isn't much on this subject) that you can reload.
On a side note, aside from a magazine sucking because you can't reload, soldiers hated it because once you used up the magazine, it popped out with a pretty audible "ching" type sound, so the enemy knew when you were loading a new magazine.
On a side note, aside from a magazine sucking because you can't reload, soldiers hated it because once you used up the magazine, it popped out with a pretty audible "ching" type sound, so the enemy knew when you were loading a new magazine.
FTR, I love guns and have several.
One I really like is the Star BM 9mm...it's built almost like a Colt Commander (the model B is like the 1911 by Colt) but it's a cheaper priced weapon but reliable...
It's a smaller pistol, they run anywhere from $150-300 and they last well...mine is probably at least 25 years old, fully functional and never had any problems...
Hubby has a Smith and Wesson SIGMA (also in 9mm)- which is a horrible starter pistol because of the 17 lb trigger pull...it took me both hands to fire it and I said "NOOOO" and went and took it apart and took the spring tension down a LOT, it still has about an 7-8 LB pull but it's better.
The drawback is it is heavier than a polymer framed pistol like a Glock and needs to be kept oiled more because of rusting and such.
One I really like is the Star BM 9mm...it's built almost like a Colt Commander (the model B is like the 1911 by Colt) but it's a cheaper priced weapon but reliable...
It's a smaller pistol, they run anywhere from $150-300 and they last well...mine is probably at least 25 years old, fully functional and never had any problems...
Hubby has a Smith and Wesson SIGMA (also in 9mm)- which is a horrible starter pistol because of the 17 lb trigger pull...it took me both hands to fire it and I said "NOOOO" and went and took it apart and took the spring tension down a LOT, it still has about an 7-8 LB pull but it's better.
The drawback is it is heavier than a polymer framed pistol like a Glock and needs to be kept oiled more because of rusting and such.
Actually, you're a bit backwards, the M1 Garand used a "stripper clip" for ease of loading, it has a magazine but it's attached to the weapon to hold the bullets and can't be removed like an M-16 magazine. A stripper clip can be reloaded also, all it does is hold the bullets by the casing and you slide it into the open bore of the weapon and it makes that "CHING" sound when it pops out after the munitions have been deposited in the magazine.
Most the newer weapons have magazines - a detachable ammo holder that's a ton faster to reload than stuffing them in the open bore 1 at a time or using a stripper clip.
Whether it's called a magazine or a clip it's pretty much the same thing, most manufacturers got away from using stripper clips because it's a pain in the butt!
Most the newer weapons have magazines - a detachable ammo holder that's a ton faster to reload than stuffing them in the open bore 1 at a time or using a stripper clip.
Whether it's called a magazine or a clip it's pretty much the same thing, most manufacturers got away from using stripper clips because it's a pain in the butt!
Sorry I"m chatty today...
But here's a thought on the 9mm. It looks like a small round and therefore most people don't think it would pack the punch of say a .45 ACP. However, the 9mm (and the .40 S&W) are two of the most nasty rounds to be hit with.
A police ballistics vest can withstand a shot by a .45 ACP, it will hurt the person wearing it, but it's not likely to penetrate the vest. This is because it's a much heavier and slower round (as for feet per second) -
But a 9mm is a light round and is extremely fast and have been known to punch through ballistics vests...
We tested this theory on my husbands military Kevlar helmet...supposedly bullet-proof...
End of test we determined the only thing the bullet-proof Kevlar helmet was good for was to hold the soup your brain is now when you are hit in the head by a 9mm...my 9mm penetrated the front and exited the back of the helmet and lodged in the dirt backstop several feet away...
So a 9mm might not knock you on the ground, but it will do some serious damage if you're hit with one, and guaranteed to have maximum penetration, especially if you like using +P ammo like the Black Talons there's maximum damage when you use a hollow point like that or a Hydrashock.
But here's a thought on the 9mm. It looks like a small round and therefore most people don't think it would pack the punch of say a .45 ACP. However, the 9mm (and the .40 S&W) are two of the most nasty rounds to be hit with.
A police ballistics vest can withstand a shot by a .45 ACP, it will hurt the person wearing it, but it's not likely to penetrate the vest. This is because it's a much heavier and slower round (as for feet per second) -
But a 9mm is a light round and is extremely fast and have been known to punch through ballistics vests...
We tested this theory on my husbands military Kevlar helmet...supposedly bullet-proof...
End of test we determined the only thing the bullet-proof Kevlar helmet was good for was to hold the soup your brain is now when you are hit in the head by a 9mm...my 9mm penetrated the front and exited the back of the helmet and lodged in the dirt backstop several feet away...
So a 9mm might not knock you on the ground, but it will do some serious damage if you're hit with one, and guaranteed to have maximum penetration, especially if you like using +P ammo like the Black Talons
there's maximum damage when you use a hollow point like that or a Hydrashock.Hand loads are a great thing, my grandfather reloads ammo and was my primary source.
Though typically with my carry weapon I have black talons (they've renamed them I think, but the black teflon coated ammo) or a Hydrashock +P.
I've seen first hand what a Hydrashock can do to a living creature (long story) and it was gruesome. The exit wound was about the size of my fist, it was really nasty - and not to be morbid but very interesting that it had done that amount of damage.
Though typically with my carry weapon I have black talons (they've renamed them I think, but the black teflon coated ammo) or a Hydrashock +P.
I've seen first hand what a Hydrashock can do to a living creature (long story) and it was gruesome. The exit wound was about the size of my fist, it was really nasty - and not to be morbid but very interesting that it had done that amount of damage.
You and I are in the same boat. One of the things that helped me, was renting guns at the range to see what felt the best. The Springfield XD-9 was recommended by several people when I started looking. I'll probably end up buying a Taurus, as I really like the safety features (thumb safety and lock out system), plus it's a great price and seems to get good reviews. The Sigs and Glocks are nice, but were quickly knocked off my list due to no external safeties (The glock has a trigger safety). I've been reading a lot, but still don't haven't made a firm decision on which one. The husband has a HK .40 that's nice, but it was a little pricey.
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I'm accountable for an M4, an M9 and I own a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 and a Beretta 9mm and an M1911 A1. I know the Beretta is a fairly terrible weapon, but with it being my professional primary weapon, I love it and wanted to have one.
The purpose of the various military helmets isn't to stop a direct round, but to improve the soldiers chances of survival from an indirect shot at an angle. I know many people who owe their lives to either a helmet or their sappi plates.
It's also worth noting that the ACH is rather dramatically improved over the PASGT "Kevlar". Much more comfortable and improved design.
Oh, and about the 9mm, I don't think civilians can get them, but I ADORE putting tracers through an M9. <3
Sorry I"m chatty today...
But here's a thought on the 9mm. It looks like a small round and therefore most people don't think it would pack the punch of say a .45 ACP. However, the 9mm (and the .40 S&W) are two of the most nasty rounds to be hit with.
A police ballistics vest can withstand a shot by a .45 ACP, it will hurt the person wearing it, but it's not likely to penetrate the vest. This is because it's a much heavier and slower round (as for feet per second) -
But a 9mm is a light round and is extremely fast and have been known to punch through ballistics vests...
We tested this theory on my husbands military Kevlar helmet...supposedly bullet-proof...
End of test we determined the only thing the bullet-proof Kevlar helmet was good for was to hold the soup your brain is now when you are hit in the head by a 9mm...my 9mm penetrated the front and exited the back of the helmet and lodged in the dirt backstop several feet away...
So a 9mm might not knock you on the ground, but it will do some serious damage if you're hit with one, and guaranteed to have maximum penetration, especially if you like using +P ammo like the Black Talons there's maximum damage when you use a hollow point like that or a Hydrashock.
But here's a thought on the 9mm. It looks like a small round and therefore most people don't think it would pack the punch of say a .45 ACP. However, the 9mm (and the .40 S&W) are two of the most nasty rounds to be hit with.
A police ballistics vest can withstand a shot by a .45 ACP, it will hurt the person wearing it, but it's not likely to penetrate the vest. This is because it's a much heavier and slower round (as for feet per second) -
But a 9mm is a light round and is extremely fast and have been known to punch through ballistics vests...
We tested this theory on my husbands military Kevlar helmet...supposedly bullet-proof...
End of test we determined the only thing the bullet-proof Kevlar helmet was good for was to hold the soup your brain is now when you are hit in the head by a 9mm...my 9mm penetrated the front and exited the back of the helmet and lodged in the dirt backstop several feet away...
So a 9mm might not knock you on the ground, but it will do some serious damage if you're hit with one, and guaranteed to have maximum penetration, especially if you like using +P ammo like the Black Talons
there's maximum damage when you use a hollow point like that or a Hydrashock.
It's also worth noting that the ACH is rather dramatically improved over the PASGT "Kevlar". Much more comfortable and improved design.
Oh, and about the 9mm, I don't think civilians can get them, but I ADORE putting tracers through an M9. <3
I'm accountable for an M4, an M9 and I own a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 and a Beretta 9mm and an M1911 A1. I know the Beretta is a fairly terrible weapon, but with it being my professional primary weapon, I love it and wanted to have one.
The purpose of the various military helmets isn't to stop a direct round, but to improve the soldiers chances of survival from an indirect shot at an angle. I know many people who owe their lives to either a helmet or their sappi plates.
It's also worth noting that the ACH is rather dramatically improved over the PASGT "Kevlar". Much more comfortable and improved design.
Oh, and about the 9mm, I don't think civilians can get them, but I ADORE putting tracers through an M9. <3
The purpose of the various military helmets isn't to stop a direct round, but to improve the soldiers chances of survival from an indirect shot at an angle. I know many people who owe their lives to either a helmet or their sappi plates.
It's also worth noting that the ACH is rather dramatically improved over the PASGT "Kevlar". Much more comfortable and improved design.
Oh, and about the 9mm, I don't think civilians can get them, but I ADORE putting tracers through an M9. <3
They don't survive indirect hits either, not from a 9mm...a glancing blow tears the side right out of them, the sappy plates are complete garbage, if you drop them from your chest height and they hit the floor the will break...they don't survive most handgun fire (will survive a .45 ACP, .357 SIG, and some other rounds)
We test a lot of stuff like this (my uncle works for a company that makes most of this protective gear so we get to go out and shoot it up or we shoot up hubby's DX'ed equipment if it doesn't have to be turned in)
Now the kevlar WILL protect against my 30-30 bolt action (Remington model 788) at a distance of about 200 yards, .22 rounds, .223/5.56 NATO (M16 ammo) .38 Special, etc. Typically the 7.62x39 that is being shot at our troops by the AK47's will penetrate, depending on distance due to the velocity it hits at (kind of like being hit by a rock, if I throw a rock at you from 10 feet away and clock you upside the head, it's going to hurt like hell, but if I'm 100 feet away and not a baseball player, it's likely to have lost a lot of velocity by the time it connects with you and will probably just irritate you.)
I'm going to have to pull out the videos of us shooting the kevlar - my 9mm devastated the helmet at a range of probably close to 100 yards.
Now the nano-technology vests and such they have come out with (not for all troops but some SF use it) does work, it hardens upon impact...I've seen some of the tests done on it and it's rather impressive!
EDIT:
Yes the newer helmets are much better than the Kevlar...but guess what? Depending on your unit, you may or may not get issued these. The last unit we were with my hubby had all the old style kevlar and flak vest (not the new one with the sappy plates) because they weren't considered a combat arms unit....even though when he deployed he had a combat position.
So unless you're Special Forces, Delta, or important - sometimes you don't get issued the good gear, because in the eyes of the military, you are expendable.
