Mini comes all the time when she's called. She used to only come because she thought she was getting tuna but we started calling her for attention too and she always comes. The only time my cats don't come is when they are outside and something intimidates them. Like a dog. I can't really blame them for that. I wouldn't want to come out from under the deck if it meant getting a dog nose in my butt either!
E collar i want to buy? is this ok
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And where exactly did I say that they're wrong because they disagree with me?
It is obvious from the statements and questions in this thread that people do NOT understand the concepts. They're giving opinions (sometimes disguising them as "facts") when in all honesty they have NOT researched this nor studied it at all. Yes, they are misinformed. This has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. It has to do with not knowing the method or the reasoning behind negative reinforcement (as part of operant conditioning) as it pertains to the use of a modern e-collar.
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make you right either.
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It is obvious from the statements and questions in this thread that people do NOT understand the concepts. They're giving opinions (sometimes disguising them as "facts") when in all honesty they have NOT researched this nor studied it at all. Yes, they are misinformed. This has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. It has to do with not knowing the method or the reasoning behind negative reinforcement (as part of operant conditioning) as it pertains to the use of a modern e-collar.
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make you right either.
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Well, that just illustrates how people, like dogs, feel sensations differently. 
I can tap hard enough for it to be uncomfortable. I can tap hard enough that it's more of a sensation than I felt from the e-collar. Is it damaging? No, but I wouldn't want it to continue to happen for long. So it would work on me as a negative reinforcement OR a positive punishment depending on how it was used.
Given your level of sensation, the level I used may not be aversive at all to you. Who knows? The concept is not to create a huge amount of pain, as I've explained. It's the lowest possible level that will work.
I have considered using the e-collar as a TENS unit except that I don't think it would help long-term with my condition.
Aversions, corrections, stimulations - every dog and every person has their own definitions of those. What is a reinforcement to one can be an aversion to another.
Melanie and the gang
I can tap hard enough for it to be uncomfortable. I can tap hard enough that it's more of a sensation than I felt from the e-collar. Is it damaging? No, but I wouldn't want it to continue to happen for long. So it would work on me as a negative reinforcement OR a positive punishment depending on how it was used.
Given your level of sensation, the level I used may not be aversive at all to you. Who knows? The concept is not to create a huge amount of pain, as I've explained. It's the lowest possible level that will work.
I have considered using the e-collar as a TENS unit except that I don't think it would help long-term with my condition.
Aversions, corrections, stimulations - every dog and every person has their own definitions of those. What is a reinforcement to one can be an aversion to another.
Melanie and the gang
cant get rid of my mums cat, follows me everywhere! and he talks aswell. its getting him to shut up thats the problem!
i used to live with 11 cats at a zoo. i raised a kitten myself. hated everyone but me. she used to follow me EVERWHERE! around four acres repeatedly. hang around my neck like a scarf will i walked sometimes. she used to talk as well? i think its me yakkin too much and they just meow in response. she was so sweet and im not a cat lover. its those ten other cats that changed me i reckon. bluagh couldnt go anywhere alone. they used to stand outside the door n wait for me. rio my kitten used to sit on my lap whilst in toilet! she had glue on her i swear
i used to live with 11 cats at a zoo. i raised a kitten myself. hated everyone but me. she used to follow me EVERWHERE! around four acres repeatedly. hang around my neck like a scarf will i walked sometimes. she used to talk as well? i think its me yakkin too much and they just meow in response. she was so sweet and im not a cat lover. its those ten other cats that changed me i reckon. bluagh couldnt go anywhere alone. they used to stand outside the door n wait for me. rio my kitten used to sit on my lap whilst in toilet! she had glue on her i swear
just wait until he is 18 and senile and meows 24-7/ I swear Eddie sleeps with one ear to the door waiting for any sound. I have a ham radio neigbor whose call letters come across my speaker. I have to buy a filter to make him go away and just haven't gotten to that yet. AS soon as he starts (sometimes the middle of the night, the other morning at 6 am) Eddie starts meow meow meow meow meow. Makes me nuts. I thought Cats were suppose to sleep 20 out of 24 hours. Eddie meows 20 out of 24 hours just to hear himself.
He hears good enough trust me Two or three of those call letters aoa.blah blah blah in kansas city sets him off like an alarm clock. Or if i cough or sneeze or the dog gets down off the sofa, or someone gets up to use the restroom. All you can do is groan cause he is up now. I refuse to feed anyone at 5 am even if it would shut him up. If i do he will wake me at 4 15 the next day. Eddie and i have a long history of this. He has ruined me on cats for all time. I have had nice cats in the past, just not this one. i asked the vet once why he is so scrawny and puny for he eats well. The vet told me because he is a scrawny puny cat. IT's true. And when we moved all his hair fell out and he refused toaccept the new place. Considering the old one of his 12 years burned down you would think he would figure that out since he was there for the fire. Lots of behaviors with that one too. This is one cat that loves to annoy and irritate and tease. I have had him since i found him as a flea infested infant. No gratitude from him, trust me.
Two or three of those call letters aoa.blah blah blah in kansas city sets him off like an alarm clock. Or if i cough or sneeze or the dog gets down off the sofa, or someone gets up to use the restroom. All you can do is groan cause he is up now. I refuse to feed anyone at 5 am even if it would shut him up. If i do he will wake me at 4 15 the next day. Eddie and i have a long history of this. He has ruined me on cats for all time. I have had nice cats in the past, just not this one. i asked the vet once why he is so scrawny and puny for he eats well. The vet told me because he is a scrawny puny cat. IT's true. And when we moved all his hair fell out and he refused toaccept the new place. Considering the old one of his 12 years burned down you would think he would figure that out since he was there for the fire. Lots of behaviors with that one too. This is one cat that loves to annoy and irritate and tease. I have had him since i found him as a flea infested infant. No gratitude from him, trust me.
Well I should, I have two of my own Siamese And I love our conversations together, they are very meaningful I assure you.
My neighbor has a deaf cat who I cat sitted. She loved to scream, I liked it too. I swear I'm crazy or something I just LOVE it when they scream at you for no reason except to talk, and the deaf ones can really scream!
And I love our conversations together, they are very meaningful I assure you.My neighbor has a deaf cat who I cat sitted. She loved to scream, I liked it too. I swear I'm crazy or something I just LOVE it when they scream at you for no reason except to talk, and the deaf ones can really scream!
Also it is NOT uncommon for deaf cats to hear certain frequencies, and more importantly, they tune in to vibrations. When someone gets up he FEELs it. His other senses have had to tune in to compensate. Even the breeze of a person moving becomes relevant. I would bet bucks that your elderly cat has a hearing issue. I have a deaf cat right now who knows when I get up, can hear certain sounds, and runs her entire life around vibration and movement.