Do you like dogs with docked tails?

Docked tails?

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 62.5%
  • No

    Votes: 18 28.1%
  • I never owned one, so I'm not sure.

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .

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I think I said it earlier...I LIKE the way Sawyer's little nubby looks. I also like how docking will make a breed uniform looking, in the case of Aussies and their varying tail lengths at birth, because otherwise you have people arguing with you all day long that your dog is actually a border collie. :rolleyes: I get that just because Sawyer has brown eyes.

I like the way a docked Rottie and Dobe looks as well.
 

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What excactly is the necessity of docking toy dog breeds like the petit brabancon?

Why were some hunting breeds never docked, while it was necessary for other hunting breeds that did the same job? In the netherlands we have the stabyhoun, with a long flowing tail, but never originally docked. I guess this breed probably had a lot of injured tails from all those branches they had to get through. But they didn't, and still don't.

I do understand that high energy in combination with a thin short-haired tail leads to problems, my friend had a boxer mix which tail had to be amputated because he hurt himself so much whith it.

But then I'm still having problems that a breed is bred in a way that a useful and natural attachment to its body is giving the dog trouble because the will injure it which will lead to a painful amputation on a later age when it isn't docked.
 

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You are entitled to you opinion Dizzy, as Stumpy said. And this is not a personal thing. It's just debating from different points of view. Of course, you're absolutely right that dogs get injured in other ways, ways that can hardly be helped while still letting them be dogs and letting them do what dogs do; run wildly, jump, play roughly, slamming around into things sometimes. Some of the ways dogs get hurt can usually be prevented, as in the case of being hit by cars, a grooming accident or other unnecessary things. But a tail injury is one of the worst because it often results in re-opening of wounds over and over again... and often those wounds are just the type that invite infection, which can be very dangerous and not always responsive to anti biotics. They get gangrene easily and the tissue becomes necrotic. They can actually die from this if not amputated in a timely fashion.

With the type of dogs and type of tails mentioned, when there is available a safe and painless way to prevent that, a procedure that is very minor, it only makes sense to help these dogs in one small way. We can't (or shouldn't) prevent dogs from having fun, running, playing roughly....just being dogs in order to assure no injury whatsoever. That would be cruel. So, if there's a relatively painless or completely painless way which doesn't interfer with their day to day life forever....and there is: docking, then how could anyone possibly deny them or object to that, I don't know.

My Lab wagged her tail furiously. But I never worried. It was what is called an otter tail; thick, heavy, fully covered in fat and loads of hair, which slows the wag down a little. The bone is thick and tough. They're designed to have this protection and this wonderful, full tail to help them swim. They can go through brush and rarely get hurt. But take a dog with a thin, wimpy tail that was designed to be docked and not dock it and there is a moderate risk of injury...and injury that is often ongoing.
 

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We're going to keep going in circles.

So I'll finish with this site. Just to counter the other links - proof docking is useful... well here are the vets who say not.

http://www.vetsagainstdocking.co.uk/VAD-home-page.html

http://www.vetsagainstdocking.co.uk/VAD-Veterinary Nurses Agains Docking.html

Just to show - you can sit there and talk of freedom, and say it was a minority extreme group who called for a ban - but you'll find, it wasn't.

Most vets DIDN'T dock anyway BEFORE the ban.

It really hasn't made any difference, and means European dogs can compete in crufts, and UK dogs can compete in European shows.

So in fact - pet/show dog owners have greater freedom to compete with their dogs.

Working dogs can STILL be docked, so if deemed necessary, can get it done.

Everyone is happy.

Apart from those of course who just want to do it because it looks nice to them. Well - like I stated earlier.... cropping was banned, I am SURE there were traditionalist that opposed that..... None of the breeds have suffered as a result - they haven't given up on breeding them because they don't like the look... in fact, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone from my generation who has ever MET a cropped dog.... It's just taken for granted that boxers and dobes have floppy ears!!!
 

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Of course there are two different schools of thought. That's why it's such a debatable subject. But first of all, since it is still legal in this country and not abuse, it's no one's business.

Freedom: Here's my take: You come from a country with a vastly different history than America's history so your perception of freedom is bound to be from a very different angle. I can understand that. England was run by real tyrants for a very long time. For hundreds and hundreds of years the citizens have been desensatized to being told what to do in many, many nuances of their lives, lots of laws and regulations and very high taxes.

America is just the opposite or has been until more recently. Our history is that of "rebels" who broke away from being ruled by kings, who were sick of oppression. That is what started the revolutionary war and why America was founded.

With modern society, it's not tryanical, of course, as it once was. But I do believe that the citizens of much of Europe are much more tolerant and accepting of another group of people (governement officials) controlling aspects of their lives that Americans are abhorrent of....in large part. That tolerance and brainwashing, the acceptance of over-regulation/laws etc is eroding this country too a lot lately...such a shame.

At any rate, I think it's absurd for law makers to meddle in peoples' lives where their dogs are clearly not being abused. Instead of wasting time making laws like this, why don't they concentrate on enforcing the laws they already have and should enforce...to stop the horrible abuse that goes on with animals all their life? IMO it's a ridiculous ban and further ridiculous to make it a political issue.
 
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I would prefer dogs have their tails! I definitely like the look of tails better, except for on my Bjorn. With shorthaired breeds (Like dobes and rotties..I think they look better with tails). For longer haired dogs ( like aussies and poodles) I like the look of no tails.

Bjorn doesn't have a tail. I have no idea if he was born without on, or it got docked (I don't even know what he is, I am guessing hes a poodle something mix for sure.). He is so cute when he wags his little stub. His stub is SOOO short. You can barely,and I mean barely feel the bone of his tail. Whoever docked it did a horrible job. You can also feel the cartilage and scare tissue over the bone.
 

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With shorthaired breeds (Like dobes and rotties..I think they look better with tails).
LOL Punkygirl. I'm just the opposite in my preference in the way of looks. I think Dobes and rotties look ridiculous with long, thin tails. Dobes, for instance are such compact, muscular dogs....so much atheleticism fits into that square, tight body. So I think any appendages hanging off of them really detract from that look and reduces the utilitarian characterists of both of those breeds that derive from that compact aspect.
 
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I love rottie tails!! Their slight curl!

Dobes..eh..I DO like the look of no tails on them, but I prefer tails (Not that I have ever seen one in person..but from pictures online.).
 

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